Excuse me, I have been paying into Social Security since I was 16 and am still paying in. It will probably be broke before I am old enough to draw any money but that is not tax payer money it's my money at least until I draw every penny I and my employers have paid in which is sometime after 80, if I live that long, otherwise the goverment is money ahead.
People who are on disability for mental reasons arent on it because their doctor said "Oh xxx is a crazy and can't work, sign em up!". It's usually because xxx has proven to the state that they are mentally ill. That sometimes takes trips to the mental hospital or law enforcement contact. The process involves social workers, doctors and sometimes lawyers. People fight to get on the gravy train. Parents hire lawyers so that their kids who are "mentally ill" can get on it. There are crooked doctors that will auto recommend.
Snyper, did you stop reading after the first two paragraphs? Because you not only omitted the most important paragraph of the article, you apparently neglected to read any of the posts in this thread where I explained this:
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There is no simple way to identify that group, but a strategy used by the Department of Veterans Affairs since the creation of the background check system is reporting anyone who has been declared incompetent to manage pension or disability payments and assigned a fiduciary.
There IS a very simple way to define the "incompetent" group, since they qualify for extra benefits
Their "logic" is that if senior citizens can't manage their affairs, then anyone helping them for any reason has access to their residence and possessions, including firearms. Obviously (to them) access to firearms by unknown persons is a bad thing (especially access to guns by anyone is a bad thing.) Bottom line is that to them, access to guns is bad and anything that reduces access is good.This is just another example of a out of control government. I really think it will be interesting as to WHO decides is a person should have their gun taken away. That is a serious abuse of power. I don't understand why those idiots in DC think they know so much better what is good for the rest of the population. I might be missing something but I don't recall too many senior citizens involved in drive-by shootings. I guess if you can't stop the gang bangers from killing each other then you go after the Senior citizens, a "softer target" than the gang members. Then you can tell the voters you are doing something a about those evil guns.... What the hel has happened to this country??
Repeating the article serves no purpose other than reaffirming what has been said alreadySnyper, you are wrong.
From the LA Times: "There is no simple way to identify that group, but a strategy [the SSA may use] is reporting anyone who has been declared incompetent to manage pension or disability payments and assigned a fiduciary."
That designation doesn't get you any extra Social Security benefits.
http://mrconservative.com/2014/02/3...ompetent-so-that-he-can-take-away-their-guns/Obama Declares Countless Veterans Incompetent So That He Can Take Away Their Guns
SSA logo: link to Social Security Online home1604. What kind of evidence shows that a beneficiary needs a representative payee?
There are several kinds of evidence we will consider when determining whether an adult beneficiary needs help managing their payments. These are:
Legal evidence (see §1605), or
Medical evidence (see §1606), and
Lay evidence (see §1607).
Repeating the article serves no purpose other than reaffirming what has been said already
Being declared incompetent can get you extra VA and SSI payments, depending on your age
I think a lot depends on just how this is administered. Like the VA mess, there is good reason for people who really are not ... physically ...competent to have their firearm rights revoked.
Personally, I would hope that whoever is taking care of these people recognizes their diminished capacity and arranges for their firearms to be removed well before any government action is needed, just as responsible care givers take away the car keys when a person can no longer safely drive, well before the state just refuses to renew a driver's license.
Snyper said:It's not just those with"a fudiciary"
It's those "declared incompetent" that matter
[Being declared incompetent can get you extra VA and SSI payments, depending on your age/QUOTE]
there are no extra payments for SSDI or SSI for being declared incompetent to manage your own social security check. you are wrong. There are also medical reasons why someone would not be able to handle their social security check in the view of the SSA, not just psychological ones. They may not be able to get to the bank on their own but that doesnt mean they cant manage their firearms.
It amazes me that suppossed supporters of the 2nd amendment manufacture justification to paint everyone who has a representative payee with a broad brush that deprives them of their 2nd amendment rights without due process
Even beyond that, I can conceive of reasons why someone who is unquestionably fully competent to manage his affairs might want his social security checks paid to a trustee.Spats McGee said:.... Without having thoroughly researched the issue, I'm going to wager that there's a pretty big gulf between "incompetent to manage one's financial affairs" and "adjudicated mentally defective."...
Who exactly will SSA be reporting? They appear to have 2 kinds of beneficiaries who could be reported - incapable and incompetent.