Sold My Only Revolver
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At the point in time that you decide to revisit this platform, I'd suggest a S&W 66- (mine's a 66-3, husband's is a 66-2) I can shoot .357's all day out of that 66-3.
I'd have to look up the ballistics, but while you *may* be correct about the 9 and .38 being more or less a wash ballistically, the .357 trumps them both.
Were we to suddenly get open carry here in Texas (may it come soon!) I'd carry that 66-3 happily. It's utterly hopeless for concealment, except in wintertime, though.
Meanwhile, enjoy your Kahr. I've heard mixed reports about them....sounds like you got a good one.
Springmom
I'd have to look up the ballistics, but while you *may* be correct about the 9 and .38 being more or less a wash ballistically, the .357 trumps them both.
Were we to suddenly get open carry here in Texas (may it come soon!) I'd carry that 66-3 happily. It's utterly hopeless for concealment, except in wintertime, though.
Meanwhile, enjoy your Kahr. I've heard mixed reports about them....sounds like you got a good one.
Springmom
MMCSRET
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IMHO marksmanship will overpower firepower in 99% of cases found in every day life, hence my preference for revolvers. I have never liked the spray and pray attitude of many inexperienced and: dare I say: untrained shooters.
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Both are outstanding weapons and I think both rounds are adequate for self defense. Of course this all depends on the situation. Here is a good read about 9mm and 38spl in short barrels. Not sure I agree with the statement that 9mm is a better round.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot27.htm
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot27.htm
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I had a 9mm autoloader before I bought my SP101. The 9mm will fail to feed hollow points too often for my liking, perhaps I should have gotten a different one. I got my SP101 for 3 reasons.
1) easier to conceal for me, especially as a pocket gun - I'm a big guy, and IWB is not comfortable
2) more reliable, due to simpler design and not prone to be affected by pocket fuzz and such
3) my GP100 is more enjoyable to shoot, and hopefully this will be similar
I thought about the 642 before the SP101, but from what I hear, the SP101s extra weight makes it more controllable with recoil and follow up shots.
My 9mm will remain my car and nightstand gun, but the SP101 will more likely replace the 9mm as my CCW. The GP100 is my woods gun, with double tap hard cast ammo.
The right tool for the job!
1) easier to conceal for me, especially as a pocket gun - I'm a big guy, and IWB is not comfortable
2) more reliable, due to simpler design and not prone to be affected by pocket fuzz and such
3) my GP100 is more enjoyable to shoot, and hopefully this will be similar
I thought about the 642 before the SP101, but from what I hear, the SP101s extra weight makes it more controllable with recoil and follow up shots.
My 9mm will remain my car and nightstand gun, but the SP101 will more likely replace the 9mm as my CCW. The GP100 is my woods gun, with double tap hard cast ammo.
The right tool for the job!
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Mr. RevolverGuy
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That is some very interesting reading you provided. I have recently switched from a XD sub-compact 9mm to a S&W 340M&P with a Crimson Trace. I had been wondering if it was the correct move and now after reading this I think I did the right move. Thanks for you web link.
Mr. Revolver Guy
That is some very interesting reading you provided. I have recently switched from a XD sub-compact 9mm to a S&W 340M&P with a Crimson Trace. I had been wondering if it was the correct move and now after reading this I think I did the right move. Thanks for you web link.
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vermilion
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Its always funny when someone comes onto a forum and says "oo I sold my ONLY revolver, or I sold my Toyota truck or whatever. Like you want us to feel sorry for you that you sold it but, in reality your just bragging about your Kahr pistols. While they are a nice firearm I don't really care to see you 'bash" 38 special, 357magnum and then try to make yourself feel better about the fact that your Kahr's are reliable. They can and could become totally unreliable today, tomorrow, or anyday in the future.
Just because 9mm has more defensive loads over the counter doesn't mean anything. If you can't get your shot placement to be where it needs to be the best defensive load in the world isn't going to help you.
You can shoot whatever you want but theres no reason to try to justify that your Kahr pistols are better than any other handgun. And the "this caliber is better than this caliber" has beaten the horse to death, resurrected it, and beat it to death again 10000x over.
I love my semi auto's and I love my revolvers.
Just because 9mm has more defensive loads over the counter doesn't mean anything. If you can't get your shot placement to be where it needs to be the best defensive load in the world isn't going to help you.
You can shoot whatever you want but theres no reason to try to justify that your Kahr pistols are better than any other handgun. And the "this caliber is better than this caliber" has beaten the horse to death, resurrected it, and beat it to death again 10000x over.
I love my semi auto's and I love my revolvers.
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I am also thinking of finding a subcompact 9mm to replace my S&W 640, though I probably won't sell the 640.
I also have a Glock 30 which i like, but am considering a subcompact 9mm to carry when the Glock is impractical.
What recommendations would people make?
I also have a Glock 30 which i like, but am considering a subcompact 9mm to carry when the Glock is impractical.
What recommendations would people make?
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I don't see why everyone is so fired up. I, for one, would be extremely pleased if everyone started trading in their revolvers for autopistols. Good used revolvers have gotten much too expensive lately!
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Amen, brother!
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Hmm...
No one's mentioned the revolver's ability to operate with all grades of ammo?
In a scratch one does not need to be worried that the revolver will have problems with whatever ammo is at hand.
Wouldn't want to be in a SD situation with an auto and have to depend on whatever is laying around for a reload.
No one's mentioned the revolver's ability to operate with all grades of ammo?
In a scratch one does not need to be worried that the revolver will have problems with whatever ammo is at hand.
Wouldn't want to be in a SD situation with an auto and have to depend on whatever is laying around for a reload.
wuchak
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I have an SP101 and it's my favorite carry gun. I would like to have a couple of Kahr's to keep it company although they would be hard pressed to make me abandon my Sp101. The CZ RAMI Poly tried and failed and went on down the road.
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Sold My Only Revolver
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Hello everyone.
After much consideration I sold my 1 and ONLY revolver, a Ruger SP-101 snub nose .357 mag.
I know this is the revolver forum, and I may someday return to the platform, but the truths were simply too glaring to ignore.
1) 9mm is a better self defense round then .38 special, and .357 is un-controllable in this size of weapon
I shoot .357 Magnums and don't find it uncontrollable. To each their own.
2) .38 special practice ammo is 1.5 more expensive then 9mm, and I can buy 100 rounds of 9mm for the same price as 50 rounds of .357
Yes, 9mm is generally a little cheaper, but I find .357 Magnum, in defensive ammo, to be cheaper than defensive 9mm. Of course I'm not comparing 9mm DPX to .357 DPX as I'm not as picky with .357 as I am with 9mm.
3) The revolver "reliability advantage" has proven irrelevant in both cases as my Kahr K9 (same size) has not had a failure in over 2000 rounds, both fmj and hollowpoint. Likewise, my new PM9(smaller)...too new to be totally trusted, with 300 rounds through it, has been flawless so far as well.
My J-Frame has been flawless and I find it a better "fit" for pocket or ankle carry than the PM9.
4) I shoot the PM9/K9 platforms with an incredibly larger degree of accuracy then I was ever able to achieve with the SP-101.
I'm just the opposite. I shoot autoloaders well, but I shoot Revolvers better.
5) The capacity/reloading advantage obviously favors the Kahrs.
I carry three guns off duty, so I match you for capacity, reloading ability until I get down to my third gun. After that, the "bottomfeeder" wins.
So, that being said, I am revolverless for the time being. That said, I haven't totally abandoned the platform. The S&W 642/442 revolvers are more powerful and better built then my current super low profile CCW the Kel-Tec P-3AT. Despite the fact that the Kel-Tec hasn't had a problem yet, it just doesn't FEEL as trustworthy as a j-frame.
I bet my life on the J-Frame as a 3rd gun. I've yet to find a "bottomfeeder" that has it's reliability or ability to be shoved in to your target's abdomen and still work 100%.
We shall see.
To each their own. Everyone has to do what is right for them. Stay safe and watch your back, BikerRN
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Hello everyone.
After much consideration I sold my 1 and ONLY revolver, a Ruger SP-101 snub nose .357 mag.
I know this is the revolver forum, and I may someday return to the platform, but the truths were simply too glaring to ignore.
1) 9mm is a better self defense round then .38 special, and .357 is un-controllable in this size of weapon
I shoot .357 Magnums and don't find it uncontrollable. To each their own.
2) .38 special practice ammo is 1.5 more expensive then 9mm, and I can buy 100 rounds of 9mm for the same price as 50 rounds of .357
Yes, 9mm is generally a little cheaper, but I find .357 Magnum, in defensive ammo, to be cheaper than defensive 9mm. Of course I'm not comparing 9mm DPX to .357 DPX as I'm not as picky with .357 as I am with 9mm.
3) The revolver "reliability advantage" has proven irrelevant in both cases as my Kahr K9 (same size) has not had a failure in over 2000 rounds, both fmj and hollowpoint. Likewise, my new PM9(smaller)...too new to be totally trusted, with 300 rounds through it, has been flawless so far as well.
My J-Frame has been flawless and I find it a better "fit" for pocket or ankle carry than the PM9.
4) I shoot the PM9/K9 platforms with an incredibly larger degree of accuracy then I was ever able to achieve with the SP-101.
I'm just the opposite. I shoot autoloaders well, but I shoot Revolvers better.
5) The capacity/reloading advantage obviously favors the Kahrs.
I carry three guns off duty, so I match you for capacity, reloading ability until I get down to my third gun. After that, the "bottomfeeder" wins.
So, that being said, I am revolverless for the time being. That said, I haven't totally abandoned the platform. The S&W 642/442 revolvers are more powerful and better built then my current super low profile CCW the Kel-Tec P-3AT. Despite the fact that the Kel-Tec hasn't had a problem yet, it just doesn't FEEL as trustworthy as a j-frame.
I bet my life on the J-Frame as a 3rd gun. I've yet to find a "bottomfeeder" that has it's reliability or ability to be shoved in to your target's abdomen and still work 100%.
We shall see.
To each their own. Everyone has to do what is right for them. Stay safe and watch your back, BikerRN
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The bottom line is that if you shoot a 9mm really well but can’t shoot a .357, by all means, carry a 9mm. Shot placement is king and as Callahan says, “a man has to know his limitations.” Obviously a .357 is yours.
Personally a Kahr is on my “To Buy” list so I agree with your choice. As one that has “fired in anger” on two occasions I do not feel undergunned if carrying my 7 shot 686 or my XP45.
Still, I would rethink not owning a .357 revolver. It is a good versatile round, in Texas it is nice to have something to shoot snake shot out of. Also it would behoove you to learn to shoot something with more starch than a 9mm. Besides, it is not that difficult. My daughter, who will turn 15 this month, has shot a Smith Model 28 quite well for several years.
Personally a Kahr is on my “To Buy” list so I agree with your choice. As one that has “fired in anger” on two occasions I do not feel undergunned if carrying my 7 shot 686 or my XP45.
Still, I would rethink not owning a .357 revolver. It is a good versatile round, in Texas it is nice to have something to shoot snake shot out of. Also it would behoove you to learn to shoot something with more starch than a 9mm. Besides, it is not that difficult. My daughter, who will turn 15 this month, has shot a Smith Model 28 quite well for several years.
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It's all personal preference. I personally own a jframe bodyguard and a sp101 and these are my "go to" guns. My .45 is my fun target gun. it is the only auto I have ever enjoyed shooting. My son recently bought a Kahr cw9 and loves it. I have fired it and while it is accurate and there is nothing "wrong" with it, it just "doesnt feel right" to me. Kinda like I prefer redheads and he prefers brunettes! To each his own and enjoy what you have!
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Just remember this:
A small caliber HIT beats a LARGE caliber MISS every time!
The gun you can shoot well beats the one that is on paper a better choice.
I have a buddy who has carried a Kahr PM9 for at least 5 years now. He has never experienced a problem that I know of. And he WOULD have told me!
A small caliber HIT beats a LARGE caliber MISS every time!
The gun you can shoot well beats the one that is on paper a better choice.
I have a buddy who has carried a Kahr PM9 for at least 5 years now. He has never experienced a problem that I know of. And he WOULD have told me!
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Haha- nice, 461.
The SP101 felt good to me, as have all Ruger revolvers, but I think they could fit an extra round in there without beefing it up that much. Then, it would be ultimate.
9mm and .38 Special both have proven track records. .357 beats both, there is no arguing that- but shot placement is key above all. Old Fuff with his standard pressure wadcutters could probably beat Mr.SuperDuperWannabeMallNinjaExtremeShockUltimateSwordProofGlobalWarmingWarrior fellow.
The SP101 felt good to me, as have all Ruger revolvers, but I think they could fit an extra round in there without beefing it up that much. Then, it would be ultimate.
9mm and .38 Special both have proven track records. .357 beats both, there is no arguing that- but shot placement is key above all. Old Fuff with his standard pressure wadcutters could probably beat Mr.SuperDuperWannabeMallNinjaExtremeShockUltimateSwordProofGlobalWarmingWarrior fellow.
RickH
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To each their own. Have fun chasing all that brass.
Just like parasite, taking a .38 spl. target-grade revolver to the range to check out my reloads and/or my abilities is one af my favorite shooting activities
And, like MMCSRET, I own several semi-autos, but prefer revolvers on the whole.
Isn't it a shame .38's are hardly produced at all nowadays ?
And, like MMCSRET, I own several semi-autos, but prefer revolvers on the whole.
Isn't it a shame .38's are hardly produced at all nowadays ?
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"I think if you try to argue that that .38 is the ballistic equal to 9mm, in the vast majority of commonly avaliable self defense loadings, you're gonna come in on the losing end of that debate."
Anything you can do in the 9mm you can do better in the .38 spl. They are virtually the same diameter but the .38 has greater case capacity, therefore it is more versatile, can be loaded with heavier bullets and will function with flat nose WC or SWC bullets that have a more efficient wounding effect than round nose bullets.
This is not a slam on 9mm (which I really like a lot) or your choice of pistol, just a factual objective presentation disputing your claim of ballistic superiority of the 9mm over the .38.
Anything you can do in the 9mm you can do better in the .38 spl. They are virtually the same diameter but the .38 has greater case capacity, therefore it is more versatile, can be loaded with heavier bullets and will function with flat nose WC or SWC bullets that have a more efficient wounding effect than round nose bullets.
This is not a slam on 9mm (which I really like a lot) or your choice of pistol, just a factual objective presentation disputing your claim of ballistic superiority of the 9mm over the .38.
Well, Over the weekend I traded my only centerfire auto for a New Vaquero 4 5/8" in 45 Colt. Didn't want a 9mm particularly anyway, and the only reason we had it in the first place was a trade I couldn't turn down. Would much rather shoot 250 grainers slow than 115's fast, that is a personal preference though.
I guess if 357 was too much in my SP101 I might not have sold the 32 auto we usta have, it didn't kick at all.
I guess if 357 was too much in my SP101 I might not have sold the 32 auto we usta have, it didn't kick at all.
Guillermo
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Browning Buckmark is a fine pistol. Very little recoil and great for precise shot placement.
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The SP101 really isn't a fair representation of "revolver." Although it is technically, a Ruger Speed-Six or a Smith 66/19 is less boxy than the SP101 and there are many revolvers far more elegant.
But the day will come when you'll buy another revolver. The urge may hit sometime as you're sweeping up your brass or when you're shooting the third autoloader of the day and you still feel unfulfilled somehow. Or maybe you'll see some jewel peering out at you at some gun show.
If you shoot only for defense, you may be happy with your autoloader. But make sure you have all the requisit spare parts and at least a couple of magazines so you can rotate your ammo at regular periods.
But the day will come when you'll buy another revolver. The urge may hit sometime as you're sweeping up your brass or when you're shooting the third autoloader of the day and you still feel unfulfilled somehow. Or maybe you'll see some jewel peering out at you at some gun show.
If you shoot only for defense, you may be happy with your autoloader. But make sure you have all the requisit spare parts and at least a couple of magazines so you can rotate your ammo at regular periods.
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