Some well asked questions about personal defense

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Some interesting comments by Massad Ayoob concerning how to handle a confrontation as an armed citzen.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob97.html

I thought these comments were especially interesting:

You can’t jump in your car and respond to an emergency in time if you first have to open the hood and hook up its battery, and you can’t unlock two cabinets and bring gun and ammo together before an intruder kicking down your door is upon you.

For me, it has boiled down to two modes. During waking hours, I simply carry the gun. On my person, it is at once always immediately accessible to me, and always inaccessible to unauthorized hands. If the lifestyle doesn’t allow the handgun to be worn visibly, a compact, powerful handgun like the Ruger SP101 .357 Magnum snub-nose revolver can be worn comfortably and discreetly concealed, “24/7.”

When asleep, I keep the weapon at bedside. If there are children (or adults, for that matter) in the home who are not at the level of development where they can be trusted around firearms 100%, the handgun should be in a locked security box in the bedroom, preferably a design like the Gun Vault, which can be released by feel in the dark by punching a simple combination into an ergonomic and easily palpable keypad. I currently live alone, so I just leave the pistol on the floor beside the bed, concealed from any intruder’s view by what appears to be a casually dropped magazine.

I’ll address one point right here, though. If I find a kid stealing a bike out of my back yard, no, I’m not going to pull a gun on him. However, if I find a burglar in my home, he’s definitely going to be at gunpoint. Convicted burglars I interviewed after their arrests told me that most of the time they either carried a weapon of their own, or armed themselves with something once they entered the home. Breaking and entering is a serious felony, and you have every right to take such a felon at gunpoint. You don’t shoot him for breaking in or stealing, but you prepare to shoot him if he attacks you.

You will often hear the figure quoted that only about 7% of burglars commit their crimes armed. That’s probably because only about 7% of burglars are caught red-handed at the scene. Most are arrested later when an investigation leads police to them. Their confession will typically include a statement like, “Gosh, officer, I wouldn’t carry a gun when I break into a house because I’m afraid of a higher penalty if I’m caught.” Yeah, right.

It’s not enough to rest the finger on the edge of the trigger guard. The tight muscles of your hand will hold the finger taut there, and if you are startled, the finger can snap straight back to the trigger, unintentionally firing the gun. The trigger finger should be up on the frame of the firearm, handgun, or long gun.

At the classes we teach around the country for Lethal Force Institute (www.ayoob.com), we urge that the fingertip be in contact with the frame, pointed inward toward the gun, with the trigger finger flexed. That way, if the strong flexor muscles of the hand convulse, the finger comes across the trigger instead of straight into it, and is thus much less likely to cause an accidental discharge. It’s also faster to get to the trigger if you do have to fire, if you start with the finger flexed on the frame.

For many years, I’ve made a point of leveling the gun at the pelvis of everyone I took at gunpoint. The main reason is that this point of aim allows you to see the suspect’s hands. If you aim at his head or chest or belly, your gun and your hands block your view of his hands. Man is the tool-bearing mammal, and therefore by definition the weapon-bearing mammal. A man will kill you with his hands. Thus, the Golden Rule of law enforcement: “Watch their hands!” With the gun leveled groin high, you’ll be able to see in time if the suspect reaches for a weapon in his belt or in his pocket. If your gun is blocking your view of his hands, your first indication that you need to shoot will be when his bullet punches into your body. Talk about being behind the curve.

When a man perceives a firearm aimed at his private parts, a tremendous psychological effect is also engendered. A lot of bad guys have been shot or stabbed before, and have a lot of ego invested in having survived it. More of them have role models they met on the street or in prison who showed off the bullet scars on their torsos. This can reduce their fear of being shot in the trunk of the body. But NOTHING reduces a man’s fear of being shot in the genitals. This point of aim seems to definitely get their attention, in my experience.

Some advocate aiming the gun at the ground or floor ahead of the offender. One theory for this is that it reduces the crime of Aggravated Assault to that of Brandishing a Firearm. I say that’s rubbish: it is no crime to point a gun at a felon you have caught in your home, or an armed criminal about to attack you on the street. A more reasonable argument for aiming at the ground ahead of the subject is that if your gun accidentally discharges, the shot hits the ground and not a human being who has not yet done anything to warrant his being killed or injured.

That’s a good argument as far as it goes. My concern with it, however, is that criminals are predators, and predators are seasoned observers of body language. Pointing the gun at the ground instead of at him can lead him to believe, “This person doesn’t dare even point the gun at me! Why should I worry that he might dare to pull the trigger?” If that happens, the critical deterrent effect of the gun can be lost. If he is emboldened sufficiently to attack, either you’ll have to blow him away or you might be hurt or killed yourself, and these are not mutually exclusive outcomes. Some I have taken at gunpoint with my weapon leveled at their pelvis have fled; as a cop, I must pursue, and as a civilian you do not have the right to shoot a fleeing criminal. Most criminals taken at gunpoint have surrendered; none have yet attacked. I want to keep it that way. This is why I will personally continue to index the weapon on the opponent’s pelvis when I take a person at gunpoint. The choice is yours.
 
two points

When I read that article a few months back, two points made by Massad stand out. a) aiming at the pelvis and b) placing the tip of the trigger finger on the frame of the gun.

IMO, a shot to the pelvic region is disruptive to the BD and it will buy you time to unload on him.

Placing your trigger finger on the frame needs no further explanation.
 
Bull. No bad guy intent on doing you harm is going to care where a gun is pointed at him.

"I'll continue to threaten you if you aim at my chest, but I'll stop threatenig you if you aim at my groin" :rolleyes:

Not going to happen. Does he have any facts to back this up? No, only his personal opinion which is very subject to criticism.
 
Steve,

I believe that when the author speaks of aiming for the pelvic region, he's not just saying "blow his balls off, that'll show 'em!" I believe that a slug or two to the pelvic bone will incapacitate someone. It's hard to run away when your pelvis is shattered.
 
Having read other of Ayoob's writings, he goes into more detail. Basically, aside from the psychological factor and tactics (being able to see the perp's hands), there is the issue of where the bullet will do more damage. Without talking about caliber, if one aims at the head, there is a likely hood that you will miss. Aiming at the chest, the bullet may hit a rib bone. If you aim at the general area between the belly button to the genitalia, there is no bone between the perp and the bullet. Also, you either lodge a bullet in the intestines, stomach, or....er...family jewels.

And. Yes. I don't think anybody wants to have a gun pointed at their buddies. :D
 
When I took my CCW class, they had us aim center mass at the target. Since I was employed by the gun store some months later, the instructor told me center mass is taught in class, but he told me to practice pelvic aim. Breaking the pelvis will drop the attacker for sure. He/she has no support with that broken.
 
I believe that a slug or two to the pelvic bone will incapacitate someone. It's hard to run away when your pelvis is shattered.
Breaking the pelvis will drop the attacker for sure. He/she has no support with that broken.

There's no doubt that a broken pelvis will deter movement, however it is possible that a bullet may just punch a hole in the pelvis which, of course, is quite different than a broken pelvis. A broken pelvis will limit mobility but it also may not prevent someone from shooting at you or stabbing you if you are within arm's reach.
 
Seems that the purpose of leveling the gun at the waist is to "watch the hands" an important axiom in all threatening situations. I don't think it is to prepare for a pelvic shot although I'd agree a perp would be just as concerned as a shot to the nether region if not more as to a shot in the chest, especialy if confronted with a shotgun equipped homeowner.

I didn't see mention of keeping distance as well, also if you aim low if the BG lunges forwards you are now inline for a COM shot or two.

Also if the BG is cooperative at gunpoint what is the best position to have him/her take? I've seen other threads on this but it always helps to hear it again.

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A broken "pelvis" is usually actually a break in the large cap of the femur. That is about a 2" target and not in the same place exactly on every person, especially in a highly mobile region. A bullet to the "pelvis proper" will punch a hole or crack that area. It will hurt a LOT as many people who have had pelvic punctures to donate bone marrow will attest to, however it will not crush the area and knock the person down. That will take a lot of luck with a heavy bone that does not yield easily. It is not a bad shot, as it can cause intense pain and also allow for further shots for follow up. I would not trust it to drop an attacker. When SWAT guys go for pelvic shots, they are using subguns and bursts. Several rounds in an area tend to make the fight end quickly.
 
Bad guy is wearing a protective vest

Something else comes to mind. Let's say the bad guy is wearing a protective vest but you can't see it under his jacket. A shot to the pelvic region will cause damage. A shot to the chest and its subsequent blunt force trauma may or may not have an immediate effect on the BG.
 
Two in the chest and one to the head -- but since this is the real world, two to the chest will work as well or better than a shot or two to the pelvis.

People on this forum (including myself) ENDLESSLY discuss the best round to carry in your pistol/revolver of choice. Why bother if you are going to threaten someone's jewels? Since everyone is so worried about penetration and expansion so that you can reach internal organs and create a wide wound channel, why consider a pelvic shot?
 
ArchAngel ~

Get a buddy to help you with this.

Have him stand across the room from you, holding a kitchen knife at waist level.

Then bring your hands up as if you are about to shoot him in the chest. Use whatever stance you would ordinarily use, preferably with a dummy gun or maybe a kid's squirt gun in your hands but with bare hands if you must. (Be aware that bare hands won't make this lesson as bloody obvious as hands with a gun-shaped object in them, though.)

With your hands pointed at your buddy's chest and the sights at eye level, you won't be able to see his hands. You won't be able to see the knife in his hands. You won't be able to tell if he reaches into his belt area to grab a gun.

Have your friend keep standing there, and then lower your point of aim to his pelvic region. As you lower the gun, you can watch his hands, and whatever weapons he is holding will suddenly appear. You will be able to see his waist area and his pockets, where weapons are most likely to be stashed. And you will be able to see any 'furtive movements' a lot better than you could when you had your gun pointed at his chest.

Now ask yourself: would taking your first shot at the BG's lower abdomen put you at such a disadvantage that avoiding that shot would be worth sacrificing the significant advantage of being able to whether the BG is pulling a weapon to kill you with?

Personally, I don't think so. YMMV, of course.

pax
 
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