SOOO many new cartridges

[theleo]

yeah.. that doesnt make much sense, those rifles originally chambered for .44 rimfire being reproduced in .44-40... 44-40 is no more accurate a cartridge for such a clone than 44 special and 44 special is superior in every way, ESPECIALLY for those who will be reloading their ammo as for reasons previously stated the 44-40 sucks for reloading.. of course, all those same lever guns are also chambered in 45 colt which was originally never chambered in a lever action

Just to clarify gents, I'm not saying the old rounds should be used instead of the new ones. I'm well aware how the brass is a pain with the old rounds (I load both the 38-40 and 32-20) just that the new ones aren't exactly new. They're repackaging of rounds that gave us the balistics that we liked and we're hyped as something ground breaking. The 10mm was to much of a good thing so they reduced it down to the modern day equal of the 38-40 to be shot through semiauto's. People wanted something with less recoil than the 357 mag but more pop than the 32 H&R so they made a straight walled 32-20 and labeled it the newest wiz bang 32 magnum.

 

[TruthTellers]

ive used 308 and 7.62x39 for a very long time, x39 for the low costs and 308 for the range.. however after some ballistics tests i found the 7.62x39 internal ballistics to not be all that great at all, and the only affordable .308 ammo was basically military style FMJ that seems to over-peentrate before yawing and creating poor wound channels

5.56 on the other hand and especially in larger weights such as 75, 77 grain not only had a trajectory that would easily allow me to reach out to the distances i previously used .308 for with still enough power to get the job done, but with the 75 grain hornady HPBT bullets i could get a better wound channel than x39 and .308 ball, better accuracy, and with handloads costs that hover around 30 cents a round

so replacing the needs fulfilled by both .308 and 7.62x39 simply by going to a heavier bullet.. thats what .223 is good for

I've been hearing a lot of good stuff about the 77 grain loadings in 5.56/.223. I'll have to check it out.

 

[TruthTellers]

People wanted something with less recoil than the 357 mag but more pop than the 32 H&R so they made a straight walled 32-20 and labeled it the newest wiz bang 32 magnum.

The thing about that is it wasn't so much that .32 H&R wasn't powerful, it just wasn't loaded commercially powerful because H&R polluted the market with **** revolvers that couldn't handle much more than a hot loaded .32 S&W Long and ammo manufacturers didn't want to be liable for people shooting real .32 Mag ammo in weakly made revolvers. The longer .327 eliminates the possibility of being loaded into weak revolvers and it does have the ability to use heavier bullets than .32 H&R and have higher velocity.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

When new rounds come out, I always remember the 5mm Remington rimfire. Do I really want to be stuck with an orphan rifle, with no ammo a few years down the road.

I figure, let the new round establish its reputation first, and THEN I might buy.

 

[meanmrmustard]

When new rounds come out, I always remember the 5mm Remington rimfire. Do I really want to be stuck with an orphan rifle, with no ammo a few years down the road.

I figure, let the new round establish its reputation first, and THEN I might buy.

I was the same way with 300 BLK, but I happened to buy my first upper in that chambering two days ago.

Only reason I bit the bullet so to speak, was its easily reloaded AND its a local "WalMart round".

 

[justin22885]

i thought about creating a new cartridge of my own once, 7.62x39 brass chopped down and loaded with .429" bullets made to fit a 1911 action, the purpose of this was basically just to make use of damaged 7.62x39 brass but i dont use 7.62x39 anymore so i dont have that concern and most who do use it, use steel case

 

[meanmrmustard]

i thought about creating a new cartridge of my own once, 7.62x39 brass chopped down and loaded with .429" bullets made to fit a 1911 action, the purpose of this was basically just to make use of damaged 7.62x39 brass but i dont use 7.62x39 anymore so i dont have that concern and most who do use it, use steel case

Sounds neat.

What would you name it? The 429 Expatriate?

 

[OilyPablo]

OK I laughed. I admit it.

As I stated, once you start reloading, for a cartridge to seem odd, well there really are no truly odd ones!

 

[justin22885]

Sounds neat.

What would you name it? The 429 Expatriate?

well, it would certainly need a name mall ninjas can get behind, like everything else thats been made since 2005, like blackout, spectre, grendel, patriot combat cartridge, wolverine and so on

ive also considered cartridges capable of matching .308 trajectories but easily chambered in existing AR or AK rifles, perhaps a .277" 120 grain bullet with .400 ballistic coefficient to match the BC and velocity of 150 grain .308 but using less energy, less powder and chambered in a shorter platform and was considering doing it on 7.62x39 brass while maintaining the original taper so to remain compatible with x39 bolts and mags requiring just a barrel swap on an AK or other x39 rifle

 

[meanmrmustard]

well, it would certainly need a name mall ninjas can get behind, like everything else thats been made since 2005, like blackout, spectre, grendel, patriot combat cartridge, wolverine and so on

ive also considered cartridges capable of matching .308 trajectories but easily chambered in existing AR or AK rifles, perhaps a .277" 120 grain bullet with .400 ballistic coefficient to match the BC and velocity of 150 grain .308 but using less energy, less powder and chambered in a shorter platform and was considering doing it on 7.62x39 brass while maintaining the original taper so to remain compatible with x39 bolts and mags requiring just a barrel swap on an AK or other x39 rifle

Wouldn't that be comparable to the short action 6.5mm rounds out there?

What about a 7/08 in an AKM?

 

[justin22885]

Wouldn't that be comparable to the short action 6.5mm rounds out there?

What about a 7/08 in an AKM?

while you can convert an AK to 308 and its derivatives, its a lot of work to do so and you bring the bolt strength pretty much to its limits and youd have like no magazines for it.. id rather have something compatible with AK mags, bolts, and all other accessories but provide a performance boost primarily in the range and accuracy department by using a similarly weighted yet higher BC .277" bullet

why .277" and not 6.5? because .277 bullets are cheaper mostly because of remingtons support of the SPC and their marketing of a dirt cheap 115 grain FMJ.. and why not use the grendel? grendel doesnt really have magazines anywhere for it.. it wont work in curved 7.62x39 mags, its too fat to really fit anything that fits an AR mag well.. my idea for a cartridge would be 100% compatible with all 7.62x39 magazines, be it AK, AR, mini, VZ58, etc

 

[justin22885]

anyway, an interesting set of new cartridge they call the reaper cartridges (yeah, total mall ninja name, yet again) but these use .308 brass shortened to 57mm coal.. imagine the old 7.92x33 kurz round the germans used in the STG44 and STG45 rifles but necked down to more relevant bullets and operating at more relevant pressures.. the reaper family of cartridges comes in 30 cal, 7mm, 6.5, and maybe .277/6.8.. ive had some interest in these because theyd be rather inexpensive to hand load using really common brass (unlike the 6.8SPC)

heres a photo of 375, 30, 30, 7mm, and 6.5 reaper