SOUTH AFRICA: Women with guns to their heads

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SOUTH AFRICA: Women with guns to their heads
08 Mar 2005 17:51:34 GMT
Source: IRIN

JOHANNESBURG, 8 March (IRIN) - In South Africa a woman is shot dead by a current or former partner every 18 hours, according to a new report from the Stop Violence Against Women campaign and the Control Arms campaign.

The report, 'The Impact of Guns on Women's Lives', compiled by Amnesty International, the development agency Oxfam, and the global International Action Network on Small Arms, said women were paying an increasingly heavy price for the unregulated multibillion-dollar trade in small arms.

South Africa is named in the report, along with countries in the American continent and Europe, all battling to stem a mounting tide of handguns.

There are an estimated 650 million small arms in the world today, nearly 60 percent of which are in the hands of private individuals, most of them men, said the report.

A large number of women suffered directly or indirectly from armed violence. "Women are particularly at risk of certain crimes because of their gender; crimes such as family violence and rape. Given that women are almost never the buyers, owners or users of small arms, they also suffer completely disproportionately from armed violence," said Denise Searle, Amnesty International's Senior Director of Communications and Campaigning at the launch of the report this week.

"It is often claimed that guns are needed to protect women and their families, but the reality is totally opposite - women want guns out of their lives", she noted.

Guns affect women's lives, even "when they are not directly in the firing line," as they assume the role of breadwinners and primary carers when male relatives are killed, injured or disabled by gun violence.

The prevalence of affordable small arms that are and easy to carry and use has changed the landscape of warfare, allowing women and children to be recruited as combatants in countries as far apart as Nepal and Liberia.

Laws protecting women from physical abuse have not helped, including in South Africa, where violence against women has been regarded as a "private" matter between the abuser, the victim and the immediate family, the report said. A 1999 study in South Africa discovered that more than a third of women believed that if a wife did something wrong, her husband had the right to punish her.

The provision in the Domestic Violence Act in South Africa, giving police the power to remove a weapon from an alleged abuser at the victim's request, was rarely implemented, as most law enforcers did not view violence against women seriously, according to a study cited by the report.

The report suggested making a national gun licence mandatory for anyone wanting to own a gun, with the exclusion of those with a history of family violence; making violence against women a criminal offence, with effective penalties for perpetrators; and specific training for law enforcement organisations to ensure that they respected women's rights.

The campaigners also called for the equal participation of women in demobilisation, reintegration and disarmament programmes to ensure the effective collection and destruction of surplus and illegal weapons; and the establishment of an Arms Trade Treaty prohibiting arms exports to countries where there was a likelihood of the weapons being used for violence against women and other human rights violations.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/8c748dbc860671b2be49d924c2aec153.htm
 
...all battling to stem a mounting tide of handguns.

[AMAZEMENT] Wow. I guess that global warming has unleashed a flood of those dangerous terrible awful killer hand guns. [/AMAZEMENT]

The obvious solution to the problem of women with guns to their heads is for women to shoot the criminals.
 
I do believe you are wrong, Standing Wolf:

clearly, it must have been a heretofore-unseen-tsunami that magically transported these guns all over the (third) world.
 
The obvious solution to the problem of women with guns to their heads is for women to shoot the criminals.
Not incorrect, just too simplistic.

The problem is an entire culture that approves of violence against women.

The guns didn't cause that cultural problem. Removing the guns wouldn't fix it.

But it makes the do-gooders feel like they are Doing Something.

pax
 
The report suggested making a national gun licence mandatory for anyone wanting to own a gun, with the exclusion of those with a history of family violence; making violence against women a criminal offence, with effective penalties for perpetrators; and specific training for law enforcement organisations to ensure that they respected women's rights.

Somehow I think making it a crime to hurt a woman would be a much better start.
 
I wonder how many of the countries / societies here don't already have such laws / traditions in place--but are disregarded in the current mileau (sp)?

PAX got it right--much of this junk politics makes People Feel Good Because They Are Doing Something.
 
South Africa is massaging the public psyche in prep for an all out complete ban, which should be in place shortly. There's a thread about this over at GT with a bunch of S.A. nationals posting over in the political section. If you want to see what the this place will be like in 20 years, look at S.A. today.
 
How do they explain, then, Norway having the highest rate of personal firearms ownership in the world yet very low rates of crime and violence? South Africa has incredible amounts of crime and violence whether by firearm or not.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sf-south-africa/cri-crime

South Africa murder rate 0.496008 per 1,000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/no-norway/cri-crime

Norway murder rate 0.0106684 per 1,000 people


Poverty, Cultural factors, etc.... are the reason for these crimes NOT firearms ownership. People need to stop trying to force their morals down other people's throats and open their eyes.
 
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Here's my African do good plan.
Every female over the age of 12 in the country gets an AK-47 and 100 rounds of ammo.
This is accompanied by 5 hours of instruction.

AFS
 
That makes a lot more sense to me. All over Africa women are raped, murdered, beaten, circumcised, tortured, and people want to blame the guns? If women had more guns maybe they could stand up for themselves and this wouldn't be happening!
 
"Given that women are almost never the buyers, owners or users of small arms, they also suffer completely disproportionately from armed violence,"

So by extension, if women were more frequently the buyers, owners or users of small arms, they would suffer completely proportionately (or less) from armed violence.
 
I'm always amazed that the logical answer is suggested by the gun ban folks themselves - and yet completely eludes them. In fact, they come to the opposite conclusion.

If women are almost never the buyers of firearms...and if women are disproportionately the victims of armed violence - isn't it obvious they should be encouraged to even the odds?

Instead, these folks conclude that guns should be illegal, as if that would somehow magically make firearms - and violence against women - disappear!

I have often thought that arming women, particularly those at increased risk of domestic violence, should be one of the foundational ideas of feminism.
 
More guns or less guns won't fix the problem. As Pax noted, it's cultural. It's way beyond guns.

FWIW, even arming those women wouldn't be enough. You'd have to change how those women think - make them see themselves at the equals of men who are victimizing them. If you don't do that before you start passing out AK's, you might as well just pass the rifles out to their attackers instead.
 
Because we all know abusers won't use battery acid, knives or blunt objects if their arms are taken. The real problem are the worthless, paleolithic cultures which support and encourage the abuse.

Look at who's backing this effort. Oxfam? Amnesty International? It's a good example of why you should be extremely careful before giving to charities which purport to be trying end hunger or injustice. The real motivation has nothing to do with these things. The NGO's work hand-in-glove with corrupt administrations all over the third world to ensure that any potential dissent is quelled.
 
goon and Cosmoline are both the ones in their own ways who've ID'd the problem....

The one thing that all the different cultures of South Africa (yes, including the Afrikaners) have is a tradition of extreme male dominance over women... and the Zulu tribe specifically has a history of rape being a social norm.

You combine that with the technology of guns, and now instead of using a knife, or hot pieces of metal, or (well, any different number of items), they kill with guns.

South Africa's culture needs to change... but for the bigwigs @ Amnesty International, this has nothing to do with helping out women in a bad situation. It's about advancing an agenda which advocates state power over individual empowerment.

We might all think that South African women need to simultaneously stand up for themselves and arm themselves... but Amnesty International doesn't even close to want that. What Amnesty International wants is the government to assume those roles.

Fortunately, atleast with Amnesty International they are just useful idiots for the most part instead of Potential Tyrants.
 
Wow...

After a senior seminar in college about humanitarian organizations and all related fields and a gigantic research paper, the only real answer to solving the violence is there IS NO ANSWER. Whatever supranational organization or NGO does is turned against them (food caches being robbed, rebels using camps to support their families while they go out to fight, using medical teams to patch up soldiers, etc). Arms embargoes for Africa have never worked because there is always one country willing to supply weapons (China sent weapons to Sudan--but the list is endless). When you have a continent like Africa that has been used, abused, and every violation imaginable the culture that evolves from it is violent and bloody. That mixed with "traditional" values like beating your wife and all that "good" stuff makes a backwards culture to the developed western world. If you take away the guns you'll just have more violence associated with the guns being smuggled in and the average person will replace them with a machete. And we've all seen the power of the machete in Africa.
 
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