Speaking of "heavy rifles."

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SaxonPig

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I confess that two factors that often go into my gun buying/building decision-making process are influences from the writers for shooting periodicals and the personal feeling that I simply “should” own some particular firearm. Case in point: maybe 20 years ago I got the urge to have a truly big bore rifle. Don’t ask me why I wanted one. I wasn’t planning an African safari and I have never heard of any elephants or rhinos running loose in my neighborhood. But I wanted one just the same simply because I felt that I “should” have one.

So I bought an Interarms Mauser in .458 Winchester. The rifle was OK, but it was a standard length commercial Model 98 action and was less than special looking. It just didn’t look like a safari rifle which was what I wanted despite the lack of safari planning in my future. Also, I started reading more and more about the shortcomings of the 458 cartridge. I grew dissatisfied with my purchase and sold the 458.

A few years earlier the late Jeff Cooper had written a three-part series detailing his quest for a “heavy rifle.” He started with a BRNO 602 action which is a true magnum-length action with the claw extractor and general design of the true Model 98. He chambered his rifle for a wildcat round developed by Tom Siatos that utilized the .404 Jeffrey case “improved” by blowing out the shoulder and necking up for a .458 bullet. As an editor for Guns & Ammo magazine at the time, he padded his job security by naming the new caliber the .460 Guns & Ammo (.460 G&A). The round fell midway between the 458 Winchester and the mighty .460 Weatherby in power, launching a 500 grain bullet at around 2,300 FPS compared to 2,000 for the Winchester number and 2,600 for the Weatherby.

Siatos felt that the Jeffery case, being unbelted, would have certain advantages over the belted magnum rounds. First, the case was smaller without the belt so less metal had to be removed to accommodate the round between the feed rails of the rifle’s action. In theory the extra “meat” would make the action stronger and less likely to flex during firing. Also, the unbelted case might feed more smoothly and reliably from the magazine.

The idea of building a rifle using a wildcat cartridge also appealed to me on the “I should have one” theory. If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone another route. But at the time I was into the idea of having a wildcat so I went looking for a suitable rifle.

This cartridge requires a magnum-length action. I couldn’t find a 602 like Cooper used (later I acquired one but left it in as issued condition) but I did find a Remington Model 30S. The Model 30 was a descendent of the 1917 that saw service in WW I. They made it a bit more sporting in appearance, losing the dropped magazine that made the rifles look pregnant and the huge “ears” that protected the rear sight. The standard rifle and carbine models came in several calibers with 30-06 being the most popular. The 30S was the deluxe version with a receiver sight and a fancier stock. The best thing about the Model 30 is that it is a true magnum-length action.

I found the rifle in a local shop and it was in sad shape. Showing much wear and abuse, the stock was split through the pistol-grip and held together with electrical tape. The price was a little high given the condition, but it was perfect for my purposes and I bought it.

I delivered it to my gunsmith with instructions to turn it into a first-class safari rifle. He used a Douglas 458 blank and chambered it for the 460 G&A cartridge. I specified a 25” barrel to make the most of the caliber’s potential. Many old European sporting rifles feature long barrels with some being as long as 30” and I like the look of the longer tube (but I didn’t want to get too crazy with this). I wanted a ramp front sight on a barrel band so a Ruger front sight from a #1 Tropical Rifle was used. The front sling swivel was mounted on the barrel rather than the fore-end of the stock in true safari rifle fashion.

The stock on the rifle is actually a replacement. The first one was of a gorgeous wood with a lot of figure but it split in two upon the first test firing. Another stock of plainer but sturdier walnut was made up.

Before shooting I had to buy cases and dies to make the ammo. No store-bought fodder for this bad boy is even available. This is where I started to regret the decision to go with a wildcat cartridge. The cases were horribly expensive, like $2 each! This was 20 years ago, remember. The last time I saw some of these for sale the price was over $4 apiece.

The RCBS dies were from their “special order” category and the retail price was $140! I nearly died. The smith needed some rounds for final chamber testing and firing so I bought one box of loaded ammo from a specialty maker. The 20 rounds set me back $90. Wow.

As if the cost of the dies wasn’t bad enough, I had to pay it twice. In 1995 I accidentally dropped the dies into the trash while living in Cincinnati, OH. Those dies are in the Cincinnati landfill at this moment. I had to buy a second set. I cried real tears.

The finished rifle was beautiful, but I have to admit that I don’t enjoy shooting it too much. It kicks be bejeebers out of me and after maybe three rounds I am flinching so badly that hitting the target is out of the question. I have made up loads in the heavy 45-70 class using lead bullets and those aren’t too bad. But full-power loads are brutal.

Do I really need this rifle? No. Why do I keep it when I can’t shoot it well or often? You got me. I guess I just feel like I “should” have it.

Here’s the Remington 30S in 460 G&A.


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Here’s my friend Ron shooting the rifle. Note the amount of muzzle rise in the lower photo showing the gun in recoil. He actually likes this rifle and has offered several times to buy it from me. I guess maybe I should sell it to him but I can’t bring myself to do it. I put it my will so all he has to do is outlive me and it’s his.


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SP, pard;

I reckon I'm just about as likely to hunt Africa as you are, but I've been shooting my .404 Jeffery (35 years) and .416 Rigby (12 years) with considerable enjoyment.

We actually got started with the "big bundiki" rifles when we found "normal" moose rifles to be challenged when hunting Wood Bison in the Northwest Territories. Let it be said, a 400 grain Barnes Original bullet does a fine job on animals weighing over a ton. So do the later X-bullets.

Here in Nevada, both rifles have become cast-bullet platforms, and are still just as impressive when I goose the throttle a bit. They're more "comfortable "(hah!) at 1800 or so, but the power is still available on request, even with cast bullets.

You can probably make .460 G&A cases from .375 RUM brass, as I've converted a couple hundred of new-unfired .375 RUM cases back to .404 which is the parent cartridge for the RUM series. They work perfectly, for about $20 per 20.

I enjoyed reading about your quest!
 
Nice gun, the .460 is a little much for me though, I stick to a .458 Winnie with a 25" heavy barrel. That lets me maximize velocity and helps keep the recoil managable. Mine is on a Daly (Zastava) action.

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BruceB- Doesn't the RUM use a rebated rim that is smaller than the standard 404 rim diameter?
 
Interesting stuff ! :)

Back about 1990 or so I had the opppotunity to do some shooting with a friend's .416 Rigby (a Kimber if I remember correctly). Ammo was the 400-grainer at probably 2200-2300. Except for the physical sensation of having been in a small trainwreck, it was an absolute riot to shoot and I was seriously impressed with its' accuracy on the 100yd. range. Were I to go to Africa the .416 Rigby would likely be the biggest rifle in my luggage.

But, I have to admit that, being a 225-lb. sissy, the only traditional "African big caliber" that I would care to shoot much is the wonderful .375 H&H Magnum. Quite some years ago I had two acquaintances who hunted Africa together about every other year. They each had a .375 H&H and thought it would be grand if they had a hunting load that would perform well in both their rifles so they would have "interchangable" ammo in the field. We did find a load with 270-gr. bullets that I (and they) could get nearly MOA at 100 yds. in both rifles and, more importantly to them - had an excellent P.B.R. with plenty of impact energy even at long distances. After the next African trip they made they told me they took all manner of plains game, and each a lion, and never used anything but their .375s.

Though it always sounds "light" compared to the .40-caliber bigbores, the .375 H&H is an excellent shooter and actually has one whale of a lot of "swat" at any reasonable range. Under 100 yards I think the .375 H&H could probably drop locomotives in their tracks. I know the .460 probably would too but fear it would ruin too much steel. :eek:

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I've got a Zastava as well, back when Interarms imported them as the Whitworth Express rifle. It was too light for me, so I am replacing the walnut stock with cocobolo. Still in progress (lots of sanding to do).

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all he has to do is outlive me and it’s his.
Shoot it enough, and that shouldn't be too hard of a feat :p

Looks spiffy, I will admit. Though, ususally, when I think of an "Africa" rifle, they just seem incomplete without a non-belled scope sitting on top of them, dunno why.

I'm curious.....who on earth still has load data for .460 G&A?
 
SaxonPig, pard;

I have on hand here several different types of original Kynoch-made (English) cases for the .404. Some are Berdan-primed. some are Boxer-primed, and their production dates span several decades.

On comparing these British cases of varying age to the rim diameters of new .375 RUM brass, I find that some of the measurements actually overlap, making the argument about dimensions essentially meaningless. In any event, we're only talking about a few thousandths' variation, and it shouldn't make much difference, especially with the Mauser-type extractor on your Remington action.

My .404 is built on a standard '98 Mauser (NOT a "Magnum Mauser") by Cogswell and Harrison in London. It functions PERFECTLY with reformed .375 RUM brass.

To make a few .460 G&A cases to try out, I'd just run the .375 RUM cases into your sizing die WITHOUT the depriming stem installed, until the case will allow the rifle to just-barely lock up. Try an unsized case in the rifle first, because it may enter the chamber without difficulty just as-is.

When the cases enter the chamber, hopefully with a bit of "feel" as the bolt cams into locked position, it's time to load the fireforming charge. NO BULLET!!!!! I use 20 grains of 2400 against the primer, and fill the rest of the case with cornmeal. Adding a bit of tissue or dacron in the mouth holds the rounds together in the loading block until I get to where some noise is permissible. Fire them STRAIGHT UP in the air, because firing horizontally gives uneven case mouths. Fired vertically, my former .375s come out as virtually perfect .404 cases.

In your cartridge, the only major change should be the neck diameter. Possibly some shoulder-relocation will be necessary too...I don't have my info here at work with me. I'll check the length-to-datum point of both cartridges when I get home from work.

If you like, I can send you a few new 375 RUM cases to play with.....no charge.
 
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Man...I've wanted a heavy built on a Model 30 or 1917 action for years. With a 25" barrel, and in .416 Rigby. I like peep sights (considering they're what I trained/train with for the most dangerous animal), so I'd use them instead of express sights. I'd back up my heavy with my Montana 1999-actioned .35 Whelen. I've also wanted a 9.3x64mm for some years.

John
 
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