spending big $ on hunting guns?

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Think of it as an investment. Yea its not cheap,but that setup will last you the rest of your life,and be handed down to your kids if you take care of it. Any issues with the scope and leupold will fix it. I would feel much more comfortable knowing that when i put my corsshairs on a game animal and pull the trigger my rifle will deliver. If its what you want and you have some extra cash buy that marlin and dont look back.
 
Rich I am not....every gun I've bought has been a budgeted purchase that was bought when I could afford it, no sooner, no later. That said, the first firearm I ever bought myself was a Model 70 Winchester, NIB, topped with a cheap but functional 3x9x40 scope. I was probably 18 when I bought it, and that purchase was the single biggest purchase I had made at that point in life. Plunking down 6 or 7 bills at that age isnt easy, or wasnt for me. I basically use it one week a year, give or take, during deer season. That said....that rifle has accounted for at least 20 deer in the 20 years I've owned it, its a purchase I'm proud of, its a purchase that has held its value, and more than anything, I have confidence in the rifle. That said, for no "reason" whatsoever but desire, purchased another deer rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor as a slightly lighter weight, lower recoiling option. Why? Becasue I wanted it, could afford it, and wanted a new toy. As long as no bills go unpaid, theres gas in the tank, food on the table, and your credit card isn't carrying a balance, I believe in buying the best one can afford, not making due with something less and wishing I hadn't. I own more guns than my father and grandfather's combined, but when they bought guns, they didn't buy the cheapest they could get, they bought quality firearms....which is why I'm blessed to be shooting them today, as opposed to a "disposable" gun that gets the job done, but has no real "passing down" value.....some guns might work for your lifetime, but will they last generations with proper care, and moreso, is that even important to you?
 
start hitting flea market-yard sales and local gun shows looking for good used rifles-shotguns, i have found some very good rifles and shotguns at those over the years. just this spring i bought a real nice rem 721 in 3006 with a older 2x7 leupold scope for 275.00 from a older man at a flea market who quit hunting. and at another flea market i bought a browning upland special citori 20ga o/u in mint condition for 600.00 that the mans wife didn,t like. and also watch for sales at walmart, earlier this year walmart had a sale on several marlin 1895,s in 45-70 for 299.00+tax with a 50.00 rebate from marlin, my total cost with tax after rebate was 268.00. save your money and start looking for deals on good used firearms, and good luck. eastbank.
 
And there lies the problem. (It sounds like) You sighted the rifle in, stuck it in the closet/safe/wherever, and then took it hunting. Had you spent range time with that rifle, you would have known the scope was damaged before you took it afield. I not harping bro. Just making an observation. You reload now. And components are getting fairly cheap around here. So ammo cost shouldn't be a big deal. And if you reload, you obviously have some spare time because unless you're progressive on every stage, reloading is a somewhat time consuming hobby.
I put 5 slugs through the shotgun and it went in the case Thursday and Saturday I was headed to deer camp. Gun shot great Thursday but Monday opening day is when I found the back glass about ready to pop out and shot all over the place.
 
Please clarify whether you meant the hunting rifle is only taken out and shot during one week out of every year or whether you intended to say that it is used as a hunting rifle one week of the year, but is shot at other times for practice.
Only used one week out of the year for hunting. I don't plink with a 45-70 lol. I'll run a couple boxes through it starting a month or two before gun week.
 
Many years ago there was a HUGE buck that lived around our family farm. Saw him fairly close a couple of times but never got a shot.

Finally figured out where he would be during season opener. I bought a new Knight muzzle loader and put cheaper (but what I thought was decent) scope on it. Simmons 44Mag scope. I was in the right place, right time. There he was opening day, little over 200 yards out. I had a corn field to sneak thru for a 100 yard shot. Tried to look thru the scope and it was fogged solid.

Another farmer shot him two days later. 14 points, 28" outside spread.

Another time I'm hunting with my friend. He was a "this is cheaper but works just as good" guy. We were looking west down a hayfield towards the setting sun. I was looking through my Leupold scanning the fence row. My friend asks how I can see anything. So, I look through his scope and there is nothing but flare from the sun. My scope was crystal clear. Next day he got a Leupold identical to mine.

As for fishing tackle, I go to Canada every few years (look at the picture on the left). We have had guys that bring cheap reels and rods. Before the end of the week they end up using our heavy duty Abu rods and reels (reel alone is $100+). I take at least five. Some of my reels are over 30 years old and still work perfectly. Your Zebcos wouldn't last a day and be awful to use. Hook into a 40" pike that weighs 20# with a Zebco 33. It will be the one that got away. I'd rather it being the one I have a picture of. Again, look left.

My time outdoors is limited. I'm not going to have it ruined by inferior equipment. I will never get another chance at a deer that size. Right now I'd pay $10,000 to go back in time and have another chance. Really good equipment is a lifetime investment.

Buy good, cry once.
 
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I use my guns year round, not just a week a year. Rifle season for deer and bear lasts 3 months, from mid October to mid January. Archery season is a month before that. Small game season is from August to the end of February. Waterfowl season is from November through January. Turkey season is March to mid May. June and July are the only months where there are no game animals to hunt, but coyote and feral hogs are legal year round. Plus that is a good time to go to the range. I burn through a few thousand rounds a year at the range.

My wife and I are both retired teachers. We made a comfortable living, but certainly aren't rich. But I found a way to buy decent guns. Over the years I've made wise choices, almost always buying used, and traded up until I own some pretty nice guns. And have a lot less in them than you'd think.

I don't have an issue with cheaper guns. I'm quite impressed with the Ruger American rifles. I own 3 of them, a 223 standard rifle and Predators in 6.5 Creed and 308. I don't have $1000 in all 3 combined and they shoot as well as rifles that cost 3X as much.

But I've always felt that anyone who could afford to buy a computer and pay for internet service made enough money to afford a nice gun if they wanted to, While a cheaper gun will certainly work, having something of value to own, use, and pass down to my grandkids was worth the trouble to me.

You also have to consider long term value. I can go out today and buy a $250-$300 rifle that will serve my needs, or I could buy a $600-$1000 rifle that is much nicer. Thirty years from now the $300 might still bring $300 if I'm lucky. The $600 gun could well be worth over $2000 on the used market down the road. I have several quality rifles and handguns in my safe that I bought used years ago for $150-$250 that would easily bring $1000 today. A Charter Arms revolver would have probably worked just as well, but the S&W cost a lot less in the long run.
 
How many of you spend a lot of money on a hunting rifle you might use 1 week a year? I grew up piss poor and still am so I always try and review things and get the very minimal I need that will work.
for instance my hunting guns are Mossberg 500, stoeger condor 20ga, savage 22, cva optima/stalker, h&r 44mag,savage axis rifles. they are all the bare bones, cheapest but best rated rifles I could buy. I also have them all topped with vortex and Nikons budget optics.

Well just the Mossberg and a couple barrels would be more bare bones... you already have more than a bare bones set up

As far as the Marlin 1895- I got a GBL last month. The 100.00 rebate and a cheap price from Buds made it under 450.00 to me after rebate I could not resist... I have a Leupold 1x4 I was thinking of putting it on with QD rings and adding a quality peep also.... It will not likely do anything I can not do with another gun or three I own but I think THUMPER will be welcome here :) Most quality guns hold value fairly well short term and tend to increase in value if in decent condition over time.... super custom is where a guy can loose a bit of money
That marlin should make the ultimate Chipmunk gun:D
 
If you can't / don't appreciate things like aesthetics, fit & finish, great trigger, accuracy guarantees and great, clear glass, by all means, don't spend the money for them.
 
The rifle is the cheapest part, at any price.

Yes sir, when people start adding in all the ancillary costs involved, the rifle no matter what it is/was, is likely one of the least expensive parts...

I could go hunting any day of the week for just about any animal on earth and never leave my state... however, its gonna come at a substantial cost.
 
The older I get, the less I care about money. Money is a tool to get "things"; I like expensive firearms and own them but, they are just things. In my opinion if you have learned anything about life over many years, a younger things/ money desire will develop into a basic acceptance of life: 1) a close relationship with another person (in my case my wife) is absolutely at the top of the list, accept being finite (this life will end), all other people are important - that makes you important, you don't need as much money as you think you do, valuing things will leave a hole in your happiness and lastly, you will leave all of your firearms (things) here when you go. The simple stuff is what counts; this is a beautiful and very hard planet - it is designed to be that way, beautiful and very hard. Enjoy your expensive or inexpensive firearms BECAUSE, in the end it simply does not matter. Good shooting!
 
My mother had an axiom about buying a new cooking range for her kitchen, "Pick out the best you can afford and buy the next better one."

I've applied this to many purchases and it seems to work pretty well.

The following is generalized and there are exceptions. With rifles, my experience has been at least with budget priced up to upper mid range (not match grade by any means), the better quality of the rifle, the longer range that the rifle will reliably shoot to a reasonable accuracy level.

Also, I find the more bargain priced the rifle is, the more TLC the rifle needs to improve its accuracy and ability to hold that accuracy level.

And with those suggestions and $5, you can get a designer cup of coffee.
 
If you can afford it, there's nothing wrong with buying nice things. I would definitely drop 5 figures on a nice shotgun, combo gun, or drilling if that were an option. The lower dollar firearms can be accurate and reliable, but where they pass the savings on to the consumer is often aesthetics and ergonomics.

As someone who doesn't typically have a ton of money left over after necessities are paid for, I try for the mid-range guns when I can buy them. For instance, saving a little extra and buying the wingmaster over the express, or buying the CZ over the Ruger American.

Also, having tried the cheap scope thing many times, I'll confidently assert that good open or peep sights are a better choice than a cheap optic.
 
If you can afford it, there's nothing wrong with buying nice things. I would definitely drop 5 figures on a nice shotgun, combo gun, or drilling if that were an option. The lower dollar firearms can be accurate and reliable, but where they pass the savings on to the consumer is often aesthetics and ergonomics.

As someone who doesn't typically have a ton of money left over after necessities are paid for, I try for the mid-range guns when I can buy them. For instance, saving a little extra and buying the wingmaster over the express, or buying the CZ over the Ruger American.

Also, having tried the cheap scope thing many times, I'll confidently assert that good open or peep sights are a better choice than a cheap optic.

your brought up the shotguns. I only use mine for the thanksgiving pheasant hunts and the occasional turkey hunt. I haven't shot my Mossberg in over a year but ill tell you what. i would have rather had something nicer then the Mossberg at the time cause over the years of shooting Winchesters, stoegers, 11/87, etc it made me hate that shotgun. im thinking this might be the case with the cva 45-70.
 
But, I don't have to "justify" a gun that I want...

That's the kicker isn't it??? It really is odd that there is so much animosity in the firearms community. You are darn near vilified for wanting/using something that costs hundreds of dollars more... We are not talking 10's of thousands* or millions of dollars. We are talking about the equivalent of what the average Joe Blow spends on non essentials like fast food/cola/coffee/beer etc. per annum.

*Yes I know there are 100k rifles out there, but for 99% of the population they are truly unobtainable..
 
A high dollar gun is absolutely essential if you desire to sit around bragging about you high dollar guns without being a liar.
I remember deer camp and sitting around in the evening singing my gun is better than your gun, my gun is better because .....
Other than a hand me down 22 my first rifle my first hunting rifle I was sixteen and bought a Ruger 44 Carbine. Back then $120 after my mom's store discount. Then there was a used Remington 760 in 30-06 followed by several standard hunting rifles, most bought used. My friend hunted West Virginia successfully for deer with a $99 SKS and the deer never complained. I guess I fail to see where someone needs a thousand dollar rifle to hunt the lower 48, hell I don't see a need in Alaska or Hawaii so make it 50.

Get a rifle which works for you in a caliber that suits the game. Really it is that simple and become proficient with whatever rifle you choose. Hunting and hunting sucessfully requires many things, the least of which is an expensive rifle.

Ron
 
That's the kicker isn't it??? It really is odd that there is so much animosity in the firearms community. You are darn near vilified for wanting/using something that costs hundreds of dollars more... We are not talking 10's of thousands* or millions of dollars. We are talking about the equivalent of what the average Joe Blow spends on non essentials like fast food/cola/coffee/beer etc. per annum.

*Yes I know there are 100k rifles out there, but for 99% of the population they are truly unobtainable..

My theory is that this due to the fact that here in the US, hunting and shooting has traditionally been an activity of the blue collar and working classes. There has, of course, always been a well to do facet of the sport, but the bulk of the ranks, so to speak is made up of the everyman. It's kinda cool as our hunting and shooting culture is somewhat unique in that respect.

Having grown up working class and rural, I can say with confidence that concern over things like aesthetics and comfort is frowned upon as wasteful and frivolous, even if one can afford them. This holds true for all things, not just guns. Attention to ergonomics and appearance is often seen as arrogant, highfalutin, and effeminate.

It's taken me a while to start abandoning that mentality. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to take on a new car's worth of debt of debt just so I can afford a an ultra nice firearm. but if I can save a little longer and buy something nicer than the lowest price option, I'm going to.

If you can afford it, it's ok to buy nice things.
 
But I've always felt that anyone who could afford to buy a computer and pay for internet service made enough money to afford a nice gun if they wanted to,
Well, IMHO the key words there is, "if they wanted to." As much as I like THR, if I had to, I'd give up my computer and internet service before I'd give up the nice Freedom Arms revolver that I'll get out of layaway in a couple more weeks.:)
I realize not everyone feels the same as I. And that's fine. But as long as I don't owe anyone money, no one except me gets to say how I spend mine.

Why do some of you guys care so much if people like to hunt with nice guns? Just because you're out in the woods doesn't mean you can't look pretty you know.
As far as that goes, I think "pretty" or beauty really is in the eye of the beholder - especially when it comes to hunting rifles. To me, reliability and accuracy in hunting rifles are more important than aesthetics.:)
 
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the average household will bring in $2,246,240 in a forty year span. I think if you really want to, you can squeeze a couple hundred extra out of that for a decent gun and optics.
 
For my part, I felt a "need" for a bolt action .223 rifle to kill nuisance animals that threaten our dam. When my father got to the point he could no longer see well enough to shoot them, he went to using traps, but I don't like the thought of traps and I like the thought of getting caught in one my own traps even less. So, I bought a Savage Axis and put a nice scope on it that I got on a clearance sale. At 150 yards it will let me "reach out and touch" a beaver or muskrat every time. So, for my needs, an inexpensive gun and inexpensive scope have proven more than adequate.

The rifle gets used for its nuisance animal control function two or three times a year. But, the rifle gets pulled out of the safe five or six times a year to be fired at targets to maintain my proficiency. :)

There is a secondary reason for shooting it. Since its chamber is much tighter than either our Mini-14s or M&P-15s, the rounds have to be crafted separately from the stuff that goes through the semi-autos. And for that, I use my "oddball" brass. When I accumulate enough IVI, PPU or ZVS brass to make up a batch, I will load it for the Savage and once shot through it, it is only used in the Savage and neck resized thereafter. Sometimes I get enough "oddball" loaded that it just begs to be shot. So to "restore balance to the force", I will shoot up the excess - - and if my wife asks, it's all in the interests of keeping the ammunition boxes from overflowing. o_O
 
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the average household will bring in $2,246,240 in a forty year span. I think if you really want to, you can squeeze a couple hundred extra out of that for a decent gun and optics.

In theory, yes. But who hasn't been here: You have $500 saved up for a new gun, you're doing great and decide you'll keep at it until you have an even grand to drop on the next step up. And that's when something breaks on a vehicle, a crucial appliance burns out, an idiot relative needs to be bailed out of the drunk tank, etc. etc. If only you'd bought that $500 gun when you still had that $500. Yeah, you'd have a gun and a car that doesn't run, but sometimes it's nice to enjoy having something new and fun, even if the feeling is fleeting.
 
I own a few low dollar & a few high dollar rifles. But when it comes to glass ,open terrain requires good glass thick woods not so much but buy quality glass for whatever use . The Marlin , well if you lived close or I knew you I'd help you buy it if you really wanted it.
If there is a will there is a way.
Sleeping with my wife is not a need but it is worth all the work & time I have , to be able to.
 
redneck2 wrote:
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the average household will bring in $2,246,240 in a forty year span.

Yes, but the average life expectancy is over 70 years.

So, with 40% of that going to taxes, at least 10% going to additional retirement savings, even state colleges costing $8,000 a semester and even a used truck costing more than $30,000, there's plenty of reason to economize where you can.
 
Jason_W wrote:
And that's when something breaks on a vehicle, a crucial appliance burns out, an idiot relative needs to be bailed out of the drunk tank, etc. etc. If only you'd bought that $500 gun when you still had that $500.

I agree.

I've had to replace a Washing Machine, Dryer, and Dishwasher this year along with the timing gears on my wife's car, so the gun purchases have had to be few and far between this year - and at a time when it's a buyer's market!
 
The market is flooded with budget conscious hunting rifles and it's pretty obvious where the cuts were made, it's nothing new - plastic stocks instead of wood or fiberglass, detachable plastic mags, matte finishes instead of blued, bolts that are rough to operate, using the same long action for traditionally short and long action calibers, pressed in barrels, etc.

If you're really only using it once a year - as in, one trip to the range to check zero and a few days of big game hunting, then it really does not matter. Big game hunting is not that stringent on the firearm as long as 1) it functions, 2) the shooter is able to put a shot in the animal's kill zone - about 8" diameter on a deer, and 3) it's safe enough to not have a ND or harm yourself getting in/out of a stand, blind, truck, utv, etc.

But then the question is, what do you get for paying more for an upgraded model? Higher tolerances make for a smoother action. A nicely finished wood or laminated stock. A deeply blued or stainless finish. A hinged floorplate so you don't feel the need to spend $50+ on a spare, plastic rifle mag JIC. Maybe it's a lightweight rifle for walking a lot and shooting once. Sometimes those refinements make sense, sometimes they don't.

And sometimes it's about confidence as a hunter. If you know that you can shoot the rifle with 1moa accuracy and know about what the ballistic drop is, you're probably more confident in taking a further opportunity. A higher quality scope may not mean anything during the day, but if you can see 10 more minutes at dawn and dusk, that may be exactly why you got the trophy animal. Premium ammo is no different. Sometimes these upgrades legitimately make sense and give a hunter more margin or a better opportunity; sometimes these features are never really used or needed.
 
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