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Spring Planting, long term storage Qs

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You can bet those victims of Katrina who had their weapons confiscated wished they had a stash somewhere.

A little note on caching - be absolutly sure of flood plains and storm surges. Water will move the earth quite a ways, resulting in your cache bobbing around in a lake, ocean, or widely displaced from where you placed it. :eek: Historical data should provide a guide, plan for worse than a '100 year' event. Not that I've cached anything, but I've gave it some thought. :scrutiny:
 
Water will move the earth quite a ways

A very good point. One I have considered, but dismissed, as the area in which I would likely bury it has a reasonably stable earth/rock basis. Plus i routinely dig up things from the early 20th century... so I assume the earth is unchanging enough for burying anything long-term. I feel bad for people who live in Florida for that reason.

Was it Groucho Marx who said, "My real estate agent called from Florida. Good news! They found land on my property." :D
 
simple answer, make a vault out of concrete that looks like one of those giant rocks on your place, no digging, no buring, no cosmoline.
Just hope the water don't get to deep and cover the weapons so you can't find them
 
You can bet those victims of Katrina who had their weapons confiscated wished they had a stash somewhere. And they lived.... yet again disproving the "if its time to bury guns its time to dig them up" philosophy.


Yeah,but they would've needed to dig up their SCUBA tanks before they dug up their guns.
 
I'm impressed......

By all the inginuity and technicay knowledge. But, honestly I just can't see it. If your going to need it why bother to dig it up? Plus you would be tieing up dollars with no ready return. Hey, if it makes you feel warmer and fuzzier go for it. Essex
 
I have a former neighbor, way back when, who planted a whole crop of guns in his back yard. Our neighborhood was in a 100year floodplain. Lots of rain and soft ground. He was in Austin on business for a week and as he's driving home, stops to call the wife (pre-cellphone days). She informs him while he was out, she sold and closed on the house. Buyer paid cash-as is. They now have thirty days to move. Of the 100 or so guns he buried, he recovered about 75% of his stash. The shifting soil in our part of Houston back then moved everything around. With all the building going on in that part of my old neighborhood these days, I wouldn't be surprised to see if one or two of those guns pops up in someone else's backyard blocks away.

He also has a couple hundred acres out in some distant part of Texas. He stored the rest of his collection in an underground cemetary vault (cement construction, need a backhoe and crane to lift the lid off). That is somewhere easily accessible, but nowhere near the main house. The crypt works very well to store all his ammo and guns properly sealed and dessicated. Now that he's retired, his wife is threatening to sell the country property, too.

I always thought, for those who have a septic tank, you could bury your guns along the outer edge of the tank. Someone who has to access the tank is not going to dig up the entire tank, just the access port, so the sides will stay covered. Someone may look in the tank, but not around the edges.

You could also bury it up against a chain link fence. Tie one end off to the fence post so shifting soil doesn't aid in your stash creeping off to the neighbors yard.

Or you could just do like the Terminator did and put all your guns in a coffin at the local cemetery.
 
She informs him while he was out, she sold and closed on the house.

Now that he's retired, his wife is threatening to sell the country property, too.

Unless she owns the property in question as separate property, that can't happen in Texas. Both spouses usually have to consent to the sale, as both own a 50% community property interest.
 
Note to the "if you have to bury them, its time to dig them up" crowd:

This is about reserves, hopefully reserves unknown to those who'd like to take them. We all have guns "on paper" (i.e. 4473s), and you'd have to be a blissninnie to believe that they'll miss you if they come to get them all. Maybe they will miss - government is notoriously inefficient...but will they be inefficient with YOU? I don't like taking such chances. Let them come to your door and take what's on paper without any violence or suspicions being raised - a week or two later, you go out for a few hours some night and return with some self protection.

The Russians only beat the Germans in WW2 because of substantial unknown reserves of material, supplies and trained men. Without those things, the Germans would have won and those of us left would've been speaking German (though my parents would likely have been lampshades somewhere - small ones, since they were kids at the time - and I'd have never been born).

It isn't about fantasy or wanting to play marine, etc. It may be easy to criticize people that squirrel things away (or who study the subject), but I don't think that we live in an ideal world. I'm not one of those laying awake at night wondering if a truckload of BATF or UN goons is going to kick down my door, kill the cat and take my weapons...but that stuff has happened even in this country. What is it that the Boy Scouts say?

BTW, the more that the gov't and any hostile foreigners read about guns being hidden all over this continent-sized country, the less likely they are to try to take the ones that AREN'T hidden - because there'd be little point in the exercise.

As for the problem of rotted wooden stocks - that's what fiberglass is all about. Buy a cheap gun or 2 off paper (where legal), bubba-ize it, and you no longer have to worry about anything except the metal (and this thread covered that topic quite well).
 
Hmmm, the casket cemetary thing is interesting.

My parents have 2 above ground crpyts (not sure if this is correct terminology) purchased for when they pass on. They have purchased what amount to 2 drawers - one for each of them. What would prevent someone from adding a few items to one of these?

I wonder if they are secure enough? At least they are above ground in a place you can go for mourning ao they would be easier to access and you could always fashion a horizontal safe into one of the drawers?
 
Personally, I'm not a fan of burying guns, but hey, whatever floats your boat. A couple of suggestions though, from someone who works outside year round, "looks" for ferrous metals with a metal detector, and digs things up for work.

If you live in an area where the ground freezes, you will have to consider how you intend to dig them up if the weather is cold and there is frost in the ground. Your going to need more than a shovel, and its going to be a LOT of work. It can literally take hours of hard digging just to get down below the frost line. You will need to either bring tools with you, or make provisions for them to be there where you can easily access them. A couple of bags of charcoal and starter might also be a good idea. Have a little BBQ over your stuff while you wait. ;)

If you bury metal items like rifles vertically, they are MUCH easier to find with a metal detector. Buried horizontally, they are usually harder to find, unless you know what your looking for. The magnetic field around the barrels runs lengthwise and the field reads loudest at the ends, and much quieter, sometimes not at all in the middle.

Another issue you may have if you live where there is a risk of high water table, and especially in loose soils, is the chance the "vessel" will float. You'd be amazed at what water can push up out of the ground.
 
Random thought with MPF

Use an 8"x60" PVC pipe. Cap one end. Line the pipe with a heavy plastic bag. Fill pipe to the brim with mineral oil or other metal preserving oil. Put in metal gun parts. Cap pipe and seal.

The metal gun parts are now totally protected from air & h2o.

Hide pipe in wood pile, inside grain bin, old graveyard, anywhere.

Wood parts would have to be packed by other means.
 
to counter metal detectors -

Strew your entire property with pieces of metal ranging from screws to broken car doors.

Keep a rusty chassis or two on your land as if you work on cars as a hobby. The point is to make sure that the detector goes off EVERY SQUARE INCH.

As for the guns, get a C&R and buy some. I would recommend Mosin-Nagants M39 but really beat up ones with good bores. Get some M59/66 SKSes in OK condition. Get a bunch of CZ-52s and crates of 7.62x25 which is dirt cheap right now.

You now have an excellent long range rifle, an excellent intermediate range rifle (especially if you hack off that useless GL, gl sight, bayonet and lug), and an excellent sidearm. All are quality firearms and all are off the books. If the black helicopters come you could say that you sold them all and never kept good records like you were suppoed to (you ARE keep a bound book though, this is only if the JBTs with red armbands come to your door... then you burn that book... or you give them an edited version...).

Best of all, ammo is dirt cheap for all of them right now and 5000 rounds for each can be had for about $1500. all already sealed in very nice watertight cans, no need to make your own methods. just wrap, bag, wrap, bag, and bury.

The x54R round will penetrate all but the best level III armor, quite possibly even that with steel core.

The x39 round in steel core will penetrate easily up to level III.

The x25 round in steel core will penetrate up to level III.

This is only a crazy plan for when the aliens come to infiltrate the government. But hey, we've all got your tin foil hats on right now....
 
silverlance, you have experience with metal detectors? Would your suggestions only confuse them or defeat them? What about ground penetrating radar? What are the best countermeasures.

No need to worry about me buying guns (I would never think anyone would worry about El Tejon not having enough guns). I've had a C&R license for some time now, I'm a former FFL (Class 1), and have been buying my own guns for several decades. I've got one or two extras.:D

There is no need to put on your tin foil. It is happening now. Gun confiscations in California, New York, Chicago, and New Orleans. Some think the ostrich defense of sticking one's head in the dirt or putting fingers in ears is best, I prefer to be a fuzzy bunny (run and hide).:)
 
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this is a rather interesting thread. i'd like to add 2 simple things. First, if you hide something on your property, it can be found. you could bury a thimble 5 feet deep and it can be found. More importantly, the government largely doesnt know how many guns you have. GO buy 1000 sks's and mosins and build a garden shed out of them. They'll never know the difference. .
 
Sorry for reviving this thread, my reasons are two

1st...

The U.S. Army printed a 'The Special Forces Cashing Manual.'
The # is TC-31/29A. That should cover you.

Very informative manual, for anyone looking, here is the entire text

http://survival.anomalies.net/cachman.html

The root page for that link is here

http://survival.anomalies.net/survival.html


2nd...

About burying a tube within a tube, my only thought about this is the question that comes to mind

Wouldn’t ground-penetrating radar expose the tube within a tube like a fat man stuck in the chimney Christmas morning?
 
All well and good to cache weapons and ammo; but don't do it underground. Hide it in plain sight, above-ground, such as in a place repulsive to most. Old houses have many such places; new ones, not so much. Be creative.

TC
 
Sneak onto the Lafayette golf course late one night and bury them. Then they'll be underground and underwater most of the time. No one will think to look for them there!
 
Build a steel framed house. Have the contractors leave the sheetrock and such to yourself. Call them back when you give up and have them finnish and complete the drywall.
Sell the house within 2 years and just never forget where it is.
 
Couldn’t you wrap them all up tight as previously described and drop them into your septic tank? Nobody’s going in there if they don’t have to.
 
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