Steel case reloading !

[sonier]

i got a good idea, ill change subject lol. What tools do i need to deprime these 7.62x39, i dont shoot that cartridge so i am salvaging all i can. Will most of the primers be damaged even with proper tools? You neve rknow when you might come across this again, thats why i liek to by the tools. id rather have a tool and not need it, than need a tool i dont have.

on the flaming part, its his gun its his life, some people swear up and down on certaing things while others dont. I ride a lot of horses, and i can tell you this no mans tack is allways the same, or same technique. instead of saying there is a problem and it wont work. try this, hey in my experience and teachings ive thought steel cases didnt have enough elasticity, is this true for you? if not how many reloads before you throw them out?
if ya aint got nothing good to say, then dont say anything.

thankyou on the help so far guys its been great

 

[R.W.Dale]

i got a good idea, ill change subject lol. What tools do i need to deprime these 7.62x39, i dont shoot that cartridge so i am salvaging all i can. Will most of the primers be damaged even with proper tools? You neve rknow when you might come across this again, thats why i liek to by the tools. id rather have a tool and not need it, than need a tool i dont have.

You are aware that the primers used in such ammo are a NON std size even amongst berdan primers? In other words the only thing you could possibly use em in is steel cased 7.62x39

BUT......are the primed steel cases in good condition?

If so someone like myself MIGHT be interested in as a one time use ready to load case......For the right price of course

 

[Sport45]

I don't see what the big deal is with reloading steel cases. As long as you work the load up carefully, that is. Someday everyone may be reloading steel and thinking nothing of it.

It wasn't that long ago that Winchester warned that their NT .45acp brass was not re-loadable. Nowadays many of us ignore the large flash hole or small primer pocket and reload these without a second thought.

 

[sonier]

I would be wrried about shipping cases with primers lol, hazmat fees and stuff dont sound to fun. i did no tknow that these primers arnt standar size, ill try to go ahead and load some primers in my steel nagant cases first, if not i may be lookin to get rid of them

 

[R.W.Dale]

I would be wrried about shipping cases with primers lol, hazmat fees and stuff dont sound to fun. i did no tknow that these primers arnt standar size, ill try to go ahead and load some primers in my steel nagant cases first, if not i may be lookin to get rid of them

AH but haz mat doesn't apply to primed brass! You can ship them orm-d just like loaded ammo

The primers in question are larger in diameter than STD primers. You "CAN" load steel 7.62x39 cases with punched out flashholes using STD large rifle primers BUT they must be glued in place to keep them from literally falling out.*

*the poster does not advocate this in any way

 

[sonier]

well then i may do that soon, i just ogt to get off my lazy but and pull the bullets lol, ill think bout selling them khrochus ill definately talk to you before id post in on gunbroker or somin lol

 

[R.W.Dale]

I'm patient take your time and hit me up when you decide sumpin

 

[Duce1]

You guys got me thinking . I do not think I have ever seen commercial 7.62x39 steel cased ammo that was or is truly boxer primed and not berdan primed that will take standard size primers !

 

[R.W.Dale]

You guys got me thinking . I do not think I have ever seen commercial 7.62x39 steel cased ammo that was or is truly boxer primed and not berdan primed that will take standard size primers !

I haven't seen any, and trust me I look

 

[Steve Marshall]

Wow. No grief with making your own primers. But a guy comes on here, acknowledges that brass cases are better but still reloaded some steel cases as an experiment. Where's the harm?
Steel has a much higher coefficient of friction than brass so is more likely to stick in your chamber. Steel is stiffer than brass so is harder to rework. The big drawback would be if the case started rusting as that would be harder yet than steel. If I recall, some Eastern European countries even made rimfire rounds in steel. One poster warned of steel cases not obturating to fill the chamber and allowing blowby of the gases. Ever see a sooted up cartridge maybe with a large dent in brass? Of course you have. Not enough pressure. So the next time you increase the charge or the bullet weight and Eureka! And please overlook my low post count. I just joined recently.

 

[ants]

Go Duce!

I have tried my share of 'experiments', although I don't often publish them publicly. When I do, I expect to be stepped on. It's part of life. Take it like a man.

In any case, I always thought that if steel cased ammunition can be made the first time, they can be reloaded the second time. You just gotta have the right equipment and loading data. You gotta understand what you're doing. And you probably gotta have the right level of boredom on just the right day.

 

[Roccobro]

Good stuff here!

Except for the ugliness of course.

Lets keep up the civilized discussion please.

Justin

 

[sonier]

Yay this thread got back on post maybe a moderator or the flaming guys can delete there messages just so this thread dosnt get locked up. Cause id like to know how safe it is to do this, and im learning a lot of things.

Thankyou guys for gettin back on track

 

[Maj Dad]

Ec 43

I have several boxes of EC 43 GI steel cased WW2 45 acp, and have fired some over the years. I reloaded some to see if it could be done; it could be, and I fired it, and that was it. Steel corrodes more insidiously than brass, and the old steel can be ready to let go without visibly apparent corrosion, especially from deteriorating nitrate-containing gunpowder. It looks great in a WW2 display and I like it, but not to shoot. Newer steel may not have the corrosion issues that 60 y/o might, but it sure is a pain compared to brass, and it is hard on your reloading gear and weapon's small components (extractor/ejector) and scratches your chamber if not perfectly sized. Brass. It's the new steel...

 

[bullseye308]

I'll throw this one out first. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=477367 That being said, just expect to start losing cases sooner than brass. Make sure they are kept dry and have no rust.

If you are loading these for a weapon that was expected to run steel(SKS AK etc) should be no problem at all. If these are for US rifles, worst case keep a broken shell remover thingy handy and a spare extractor. Load light to mid and everything will be peachy.

 

[Sport45]

well then i may do that soon, i just ogt to get off my lazy but and pull the bullets lol, ill think bout selling them

Why are you going to pull the bullets? You may as well jut sell the ammo. IIRC, 7.62x39 uses a .310" bullet and it isn't good for most 30 caliber applications.

 

[Remo-99]

IIRC, 7.62x39 uses a .310" bullet and it isn't good for most 30 caliber applications.

I think the chinese made 7.62x39 ammo I have has .311"
bullets, it is not only steel cased, but the bullets have copper washed steel jackets on them, those bullets are not something I'd like to be shooting through the barrel of a favorate 30cal rifle, whether sized to .308" or otherwise.
Quite OK for an SKS battle axe, though.

 

[steve4102]

Hey Duce, like I said earlier, just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should". I can take my wife's Mustang GT out, paint the streets black, drive through town 100+ miles an hour and not get hurt or hurt someone else. Still doesn't make it right and still doesn't make it safe, but it can be done. What you are doing is no different, maybe OK for a while, but soon or later it will come back and bite you in the ass. Just hope that bite isn't bad enough to remove any of your much needed body parts. If you want to load steel ,go ahead, I just think it's irresponsible to tell the world, especially new handloaders,it's OK cuz you "can" do it.

 

[Duce1]

Hey Duce, like I said earlier, just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should". I can take my wife's Mustang GT out, paint the streets black, drive through town 100+ miles an hour and not get hurt or hurt someone else. Still doesn't make it right and still doesn't make it safe, but it can be done. What you are doing is no different, maybe OK for a while, but soon or later it will come back and bite you in the ass. Just hope that bite isn't bad enough to remove any of your much needed body parts. If you want to load steel ,go ahead, I just think it's irresponsible to tell the world, especially new handloaders,it's OK cuz you "can" do it.

Am I advocating doing it ? No

AM I showing it can be done ? Yes

And I am not narrowing my abilities to only reload in one process ?

I guess when the next guy jumps up with the idea of a new " wildcat round "we all need to point out the problems and all the reasons he may be harmed in his adventures ?

If we all have a narrow mind in reloading what new things can we expect to come out we might enjoy doing as reloaders if no one is willing to take on the challenge to do it ?

My thoughts on reloading are if we only keep to one way and have a fear of anything new our hobby will die . As we all know components to for our hobby are getting harder to find and that includes all things brass and the cost is through the roof for them.

I try to live by the rule " to each his own " and I will afford you the right to question me on this subject as you should afford me the right to do it without a hidden agenda to insult the ones that go out of the norm and try new things .

So the next time you put that extra grain of powder into a reload and the book says you have passed the limits remember you are doing the same thing you are questioning me on !

 

[Roccobro]

Well, since Steve4102 wants to just repeat himself without a single piece of helpful information. I shall too.

Good stuff here!

Except for the ugliness of course.

Lets keep up the civilized discussion please.

Justin

Justin

 

[jcwit]

And just think we could go thru all this over again in regards to alu. cases.

Or maybe those gray plastic cases with the brass base I've seen a few of. But they're only available in .223 to the best of my knowledge.

 

[steve4102]

I guess when the next guy jumps up with the idea of a new " wildcat round "we all need to point out the problems and all the reasons he may be harmed in his adventures ?

If we all have a narrow mind in reloading what new things can we expect to come out we might enjoy doing as reloaders if no one is willing to take on the challenge to do it ?

My thoughts on reloading are if we only keep to one way and have a fear of anything new our hobby will die . As we all know components to for our hobby are getting harder to find and that includes all things brass and the cost is through the roof for them.

I try to live by the rule " to each his own " and I will afford you the right to question me on this subject as you should afford me the right to do it without a hidden agenda to insult the ones that go out of the norm and try new things .

So the next time you put that extra grain of powder into a reload and the book says you have passed the limits remember you are doing the same thing you are questioning me on !

Hey Duce, You're not breaking any "New" ground here. You're not developing a new cartridge or sailing into uncharted waters. You're loading steel cases, it's been done, it's been tested, it's been argued for years and it's been deemed an unsafe/bad idea from just about every qualified source in the handloading world.
Like I said, if you want to load steel, go for it, it's your life and body parts. Personally, If I were running this forum and people like you posted threads advocating unsafe handloading practices, I would lock the thread and shut it down.

Comparing yourself to the Wildcatters of old cuz you are loading steel is laughable.

 

[jcwit]

Like I said, if you want to load steel, go for it, it's your life and body parts. Personally, If I were running this forum and people like you posted threads advocating unsafe handloading practices, I would lock the thread and shut it down.

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Just a little question. Just where does it state definitely that it is absolutely and possitively unsafe to reload steel cases? If so post the links. Just wondering or is this just opinion?

 

[R.W.Dale]

it's been argued for years and it's been deemed an unsafe/bad idea from just about every qualified source in the handloading world

really? I must have missed that memo.

Here's an idea instead of just wasting electrons on your factless handwringing why don't you cite us some specific examples of the above claim.

 

[Duce1]

Thanks guys , I was and still am going to ask the same question ?


Where is your proof ?

Show me and do not tell me how unsafe I am and I will be sure to follow your words after the proof is shown !