The whole is equal to the sum
Metallurgy, Craftsmanship, Design, and Quality Control "Should
Why do folks "have to" do Versus ?
I mean what is with all all the negative vibes ?-Dirty Dozen.
For the new folks, Please do not get "attached" or "caught up" on one Buzzword, or one Facet of anything, please. Investigate, Educate and Verify
dfariswheel, mnrivrat and kirbythegunsmith, amongst others here, are passing forward some valuable information.
Browning Citori's , great gun, proven, (I used a 3 barrel set for instance) had a taller receiver. Many folks did not like this Receiver.
Beretta O/U on the other hand were not as tall, Looked better to some, and fit folks better.
Both Steel Receivers, Both had a proven design, Part of the reason the Citori was taller, it was NOT Heat Treated the same as the Beretta Receiver Was.
Win 1300's have a Aluminum receiver, these are proven.
Beretta Gas Guns have a Al reciever , these are proven.
Cast vs Forged, usually is brought up with comparing S&W and Ruger.
Ruger has a very high quality , and pays attention to their Casting Process.
(Pine Ridge) does Casting for other folks, and even other Items, besides guns.
Forged, as S&W does, is another proven design, still the quality of components (metallurgy) quaitly control and everything else is what makes these Frames and all work.
Knives: Folks can take "the" best steel, great design, and all - still if that steel is NOT properly heat treated, it is not worth anything.
Take a 1095 steel, one many look down their noses on, and that blade, properly heated treated is a better blade than the newest, latest , greatest steel knife blade that was not.
My '74 Win SX1 is made from great Metallurgy, Machined Steel Receiver and Internal parts, of a design, crafted, and quality control was a important part of Mfg for Win, and everyone else at the time.
I have ~ 300,000 rds through this gun.
"Money Gun" , is a 870 28 ga, with 300,000 rds.
Beretta 303, 20 ga, Al receiver, again over 200,000, more like 250,000
1300 in 20 ga, again, Al receiver and again over 200,000
1100...same deal.
These guns for example, were made with Metallurgy, Craftsmanship, Design, and Quality Control.
The reason some of us, including myself get irate, is WE see some guns of yesteryear, cutting corners, and NOT maintaining the standards that gained them the status and Reputation WE know and appreciate.
This is why I, and others suggest "Get a OLDer gun"
Too many years ago, The first of these Repro Guns, Made in 3rd world countries come out.
I /we messed with a few of these, as folks were asking - these were less money.
These "looked" like the gun "Repro", but the Metal , QC and all was NOT anywhere the same.
870s for example. One can take parts off one and they fit another. Modular if you will.
This "knock-off" 870? Heck it would really fit itself, forget trying to get parts of another "knock-off" made with 100 numbers of serial numbers working.
I/we used these knock offs "less" or more "gentle" than the 870s we used, with the round counts we shot..and these broke, cracked and you name it.
I did not have the 3 box finished when I cracked the Clone stock using light 2 3/4" target loads. Less than 75 rds
We had run 100-200 rds of slugs and 00 buck thru 1300, 870, Beretta, Win , Ithaca guns...etc. the day before, and some of these guns like one 870 and the Model 12 was older than I was!
Mossberg. Don't ask me why Mossberg was just not around my locale, or circles, it just was not.
I was born in '55 and I grew up with Winchester and Ithaca, and some Remington.
Safety - don't bring up the location of safety on shotguns, especially in this thread.
WE removed the safeties on purpose for what we were doing. We ran hot ranges. Safety is between the ears, not on the gun.
Money Gun, that 870 in 28 ga I mentioned with 300,000 rds?
Most all of its round fired , were done so with the trigger group without a Safety.
Gun Fit, correct basics, get a Quality gun , Al, Steel, - don't matter, just become one with the gun and get on with it.