Steyr Carbine.

[H&Hhunter]

I hunting buddy informed me that he had an old Steyr in a full stock with double set triggers in 6.5x54 MS. He asked me to come take a look at it.

One look and I could tell him immediately that it isn’t a 6.5x54. But I can’t say what it is without having a chamber cast done, which I will do.

Do any of you folks know what a KAL 8 NORM is?

I’ll be interested to find out what the bore diameter is too. 8mm can be several different bore diameters depending on the time frame and barrel used.

I can tell you that the rifle was legally imported into the US due to the Imported from marking on the forward bridge. That it was an original 4 digit 1895 Mauser serial number that was later modified to a 5 digit number. It’s a fairly standard configured Steyr carbine. I can not tell you what an “8 NORM” is with any certainty.

 

[H&Hhunter]

Upon further study I’m going to say it’s a Model 1908 which would make it an 8x56MS.

 

[earlthegoat2]

8x51 perhaps?

 

[H&Hhunter]

8x51 perhaps?

As far as I can tell all of the 1908’s in 8MM were chambered in 8X56MS.

 

[Jim Watson]

Ken Waters did a Pet Load on 8x56MS.
It has a smaller head diameter a shorter head-to-shoulder length, and a shorter case length than the Mauser, an 8x57 cartridge should not chamber.
Ken said WW 8mm Mauser brass ran small and could be sized and trimmed to suit but RP had to have the head swaged down in addition to resizing in 8x56 die.

Buffalo Arms catalogs ammo and reformed brass. What they show was made from Hornady .35 Whelen!

Germany "Normalized" some cartridges to eliminate manufacturing differences. I don't know if 8mm Mauser and 8mm MS were included.

I don't guess he could stick in a regular 8mm Mauser round and see if it chambered.

 

[Bwana John]

I don't know if this helps....
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/8-57-mauser-with-headstamp-m-88-8-norm/10923/13

 

[joseywales76]

I will start the bidding at,,,,,,$200 dollars

 

[Bwana John]

Box of 8mm X 56R, $30 shipped
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sh...-206-GR-Bronze-tip-AMMO&p=5444074#post5444074

 

[Jim Watson]

8x56 MS is not the same as 8x56R Hungarian.

 

[Scooter22]

8x56 MS is not the same as 8x56R Hungarian.

Not even close. 8x56R in a M95 carbine was invented by a dentist to loosen teeth.

 

[Archie]

Not even close. 8x56R in a M95 carbine was invented by a dentist to loosen teeth.

I have two M95 Stutzen models in 8x56Rmm. One is marked Steyr and the other Budapest for the arsenals. It isn't the nastiest recoiling rifle I've ever fired, but I would not like to be in pitched battle with one, either.
The above diagram is correct, but does not mention the bullet of the 'issue round' is 208 grains in Imperial weight and that makes it about 13.5 grams in metric.

Were it an expanding bullet, it would probably be good for large game (bears with bad dispositions).

 

[H&Hhunter]

Chamber cast shows it to be an 8x56 MS

 

[Roverguy]

What a beautiful rifle! And that MS action, sooooo smooth.

PPU loads, or has loaded, 208 grs soft point and FMJ ammo. Buffalo Arms offers CH 4D dies.

https://www.chuckhawks.com/8x56mmMannlicher.htm

Getting claw mounts made for a scope will not be cheap! NECG is the only outfit I know of. Jolly expensive indeed but that will be a very very classy deer rifle !

 

[H&Hhunter]

What a beautiful rifle! And that MS action, sooooo smooth.

PPU loads, or has loaded, 208 grs soft point and FMJ ammo. Buffalo Arms offers CH 4D dies.

https://www.chuckhawks.com/8x56mmMannlicher.htm

Getting claw mounts made for a scope will not be cheap! NECG is the only outfit I know of. Jolly expensive indeed but that will be a very very classy deer rifle !

I’ve played the claw mount game before. I won’t do it again! It’s an expensive pain in the neck.

 

[Jim Watson]

Right. A coworker had a Husqvarna with claw mounts. The scope and rings were stolen while off the rifle, so he just put on Redfield bases and the claw bases were just decorative.