Stockpiling Ammo

[outerlimit]

Still no 9mm or .45 at Walmart. No more .40 either. Three boxes of .357Sig. Plenty of .22lr.

I'll bet most of the horders aren't shooting as much anymore either.

Playing right into the anti-gunner's hands.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

There are a couple of things that need to be remembered. The LA riots and New Orleans. Those were situations where armed decent civilians were able to defend themsleves against the thieving, pillaging and rape. We are headed for some very uncertain times. Californians have been buying out parcels of ground here in Central Idaho and staking claim. They live in tents and pull campers and open carry. They already have tent cities in Sacremento, Portland, Seattle and many other places across the country for those that can't leave the metro areas. No jobs, no money, no hopes breeds civil unrest. For those that poopoo SHTF scenarios you can right it off all you want to. This country is due for some serious shaking up and everything is stacking up in recent months for a tumble. Purchasing guns and ammo is one part of the survival puzzle but probably the most important. Probably if we had all bought guns and ammo the last twenty years that money we would have spent would have doubled in value whereas many have lost 50% of their life savings in the big Casino in New York.

 

[outerlimit]

For those that poopoo SHTF scenarios you can right it off all you want to. This country is due for some serious shaking up and everything is stacking up in recent months for a tumble.

This country has been ripe for a SHTF scenario since the 1960's. And it's had a few over its existence. As far as I'm aware ammo was still available during the war of 1812, the Civil War, the Spanish-American war, the Depression, both World Wars, The Korean War, the entire Cold War and through Jimmy Carter & Comrade Clinton.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

Well, that didn't take long, about 10 minutes.

 

[sgt3531]

Well, I skipped the middle two pages of the thread. I knew where this was going. I am very happy that those of us here on THR have enough ammunition for virtually any realistic situation. Wer're all on the same side, and I hope all of my neighbors are as responsible as those of us here on the high road.
I got drunk the other night (I'm a college student!, and former U.S. Marine) and decided to buy 500 rds of 9mm Federal Hi-Shok from ammuntiontogo.com. I bought it only because I know several of my buddies will buy some from me, essentially splitting the cost.
In terms of SHTF, If you've got more than a couple dozen rounds, I think you're good. Civil unrest? REALLY? How many people are you willing/planning to kill? How many people are actually gonna look down the barrel of your gun after they try and break in your front door in a SHTF situation?
The most important question is, I would hope we all have enough ammo to defend our homes against home invasion, and yes, even a Hurricane Katrina type situation, but if S truly HTF, are any of you stupid enough to try and fight the National Guard and god forbid, regular troops? Does anyone here really think they can take on a squad of heavily armed AND armored squad of well-trained troops?
Let's all stay on the high road, buy the ammo we need to have fun, stay well-practiced, and to defend our homes. If you're buying for reasons other than that, I think you're in the wrong and way off the high road.
We have to take other avenues of approach to defend our right to bear arms than buy all the ammo we can so that if (and hopefully not) it becomes illegal, we have things in our basement that the federal government might start coming after....
Write your congressman/women, it'll do more good than you think.

 

[yokel]

The Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia has decided to keep 200,000 rounds on hand -- a stockpile that is dubbed the "Katrina reserve".

Just because there has not been a protracted armed conflict on U.S. soil in nearly 150 years that doesn't mean we wouldn't have a another national catastrophe like we haven't seen since the 1860s.

Accordingly, one ought to have reserves on hand that anticipate an absolute worst case scenario.

It has to be done if we're really on a war footing. If not . . .

 

[4Freedom]

With Obama in power, how can people feel so confident in not stocking up with ammo.. I just don't get it.. Do people really think he is not going to try to cut the ammo supply? I think liberals have wised up since the Clinton years and AWB maybe on teh backburner.. I think an ammo ban is a more likely scenario.

 

[jon_in_wv]

Mostly I want enough ammo for use that I'll have enough brass to reload for an extended period. Congress has been trying for a long time to ban ammo, tax it out of existence, change the way it works, etc.......I just want to be sure I'll still have the ability to make my guns work. SGT3851, I don't think many people, if the SHTF, and people are breaking in you door, are going to have a problem finding the heart to defend themselves. I would do whatever it took to keep my family safe. I think most parents would. Having the means to defend them is only common sense.
Personally, I don't stockpile fo every weapon I have. I have basically four sets of weapons I consider my STHF weapons. They are in 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, and 9mm. I keep a minimum of about 500 rounds for each on hand. The fourth set it the small caliber, small game guns in 22lr and a pellet gun. I keep about 1500 rounds each for them. Now that I've started reloading I'm going to load even more 9mm and I have a Savage 7mm RM that I'm going to load up a few hundred rounds for. Whatever Obama and his commie buddies decide to do I should be OK for a while.

 

[takhtakaal]

In terms of SHTF, If you've got more than a couple dozen rounds, I think you're good. Civil unrest? REALLY? How many people are you willing/planning to kill? How many people are actually gonna look down the barrel of your gun after they try and break in your front door in a SHTF situation?
The most important question is, I would hope we all have enough ammo to defend our homes against home invasion, and yes, even a Hurricane Katrina type situation, but if S truly HTF, are any of you stupid enough to try and fight the National Guard and god forbid, regular troops? Does anyone here really think they can take on a squad of heavily armed AND armored squad of well-trained troops?

An enemy, foreign or domestic, might be one who refuses to support and defend the Constitution and its provisions. If you're an inactive Marine, I'm going to assume that you took an oath to stand against such enemies. Can I also assume that you're too self-centered or intelligent to remember that oath, what it requires of you, and the immorality of casting it aside in favor of personal considerations? That, my friend, is High Road, not suggesting that others are stupid, or that anyone has the right to attempt to unlawfully strip others of enumerated freedoms recognized by the Bill of Rights.

 

[wnycollector]

I started shooting mil surplus rifles(sks' and ak's) 20 years ago I would buy a tin of 7.62x39 ammo here and there, shooting until my supply was depleted. About 5 years ago I started to collect other types of mil surplus bolt actions so my ammo needs increased. I bought a few tins of 8mm romanian and hungarian silver tip ammo back when in was $.08/round. Once the price increases started I would buy a tin of each type of ammo when I found a deal. At this point my stockpile of mil surplus ammo is ~6000 rounds. I know that may sound a little insane to some, but I shoot my mil surplus rifles and pistols for ~$.10/shot.

As for commercial handgun ammo, I have ~500 rounds of range (RNL or SWC) ammo/caliber and ~200-300 JHP ammo/caliber. I have ~200-300 rounds of buckshot and slugs for my shotguns.

 

[Gun Geezer]

I believe widespread civil unrest is very possible for a number of reasons. Riots at a miminum. What do you think might happen if (please let it happen) the Kenyan is tossed by the Supremes since he is not a citizen?

Stockpiling enough ammo to fight a protracted conflict is not possible. But, having enough to beat back rioters, looters, etc. is reasonable.

My personal stash minimums, rotated and never depleted:
9mm: 1000
45 acp: 1000
38sp: 500
.357 mag: 500
30-30: 500
30-06: 500
7mm mag: 250
12-00 buck: 200
12 bird shot: 3000 (I shoot lots of birds!)
22 LR: 5000

If that won't get me and several neighbors through it, it's worse than I can handle anyway.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

I will tell you straight up what concerns me and why you could call me a survivalist. I live out in the country and rented the farm out and now do aerial application for a living. I know how fragile our food chain is as far as production and distribution. I see it from the time it gets seeded to the time it is loaded into the semi. I started out with 120 farm customers and now have 49 and I am still spraying the same acres. Now you can say that big farms are gobbling up the smaller ones. But these larger farms as of now are facing the same financial stress that put the smaller operations down to their knees. Agriculture right now is on the verge of going under and all it would take would be a supply situation from equipment, vendors, or lending institutions or a NEW ADMINISTRATION that doesn't have a clue what it is doing. The trucking industry has been shaky also. I am talking about food shortages not on a small scale. This people, is what causes civil unrest! Give that some thought before downgrading the seriousness of a very possible situation. I know what the hell I am talking about in all due respect to the SGT.

 

[shiftyer1]

Is it really stockpiling if ur gonna use it? I buy what I can afford when I find a good deal or just get the urge. Not out of fear but just so I have something on hand to shoot, reallistically I really don't think someone who has to bug out can carry 10000 rounds with them in various calibers. It's just like everything else you use, if ya find a good deal get 2. Your gonna use it anyway.

 

[Cannonball888]

Steve Pearson wrote:
My personal stash minimums, rotated and never depleted:

9mm: 1000
45 acp: 1000
38sp: 500
.357 mag: 500
30-30: 500
30-06: 500
7mm mag: 250
12-00 buck: 200
12 bird shot: 3000 (I shoot lots of birds!)
22 LR: 5000

Note to self:
Hoard more ammo. Must beat Steve Pearson......

 

[Throwingdown]

I don't stockpile, I buy when on sale and then shoot it. I might have a little extra laying around, but by no means any stockpiling.
I can see the logic to buying more now for the saving on money down the road, but I think people are just over reacting to the Obama election.
If they are going to come for the guns, you have two choices. Turn your stuff in or become a criminal (but thats another discussion).

 

[ThomasT]

I think Elbert P Suggins in post #112 is trying to tell us something. I hope everyone is listening. A food shortage here would not surprise me at all. If we have one do not expect any other country to come to our aid like we have done for others. It won't happen.

Also don't think you will trade ammo for food in a SHTF situation. No one is going to trade something to eat for bullets. Food and water will be king of the trade goods. A friend ask me the other day if there was going to riots in the streets and when did I think it would start. I told her I do believe there will be riots and it will start when she goes to Walmart and there shelves have no food on them. Get ready 'cause here it comes.

I have all the ammo I need. I have plenty for every gun I own. You might say I have a stockpile. It is not new. I have been buying and loading for years. I am working on a supply of food and water now.

 

[marsofold]

I keep about 100 rounds of self-defense factory ammo for my SRH 454 Casull. Plus reloading components sufficient for 10,000 rounds in reserve, never to be used except in a dire future teotwawki emergency. And 5000+ rounds of .22LR Velocitor ammo kept in reserve for my plinking rifle.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

Thanks Ratshooter, at least your light got turned on! And another thing that troubles me deeply are the 35 terrorist training camps that are open for business in this country and no one can close them because of their constitutional rights. I know what they are doing and everyone else should have a pretty good idea. Suicide bombers, radioactive dirty bombs set off in the middle of LA, Chicago, or New York would pretty much lock things down for a very long time. That disrupts supplies of goods, services, and money. The general urban population would not handle it very well at all. Maybe this new government wants to call them freedom fighters instead of terrorist but regardless they are out to destroy our system and kill as many of us as they can. This is not something to turn the page and go the sports section on.

 

[ThomasT]

I haven't heard of any terrorist training camps, can you add more information? I listen to Coast to Coast nearly every night and have heard of the detention camps going up around the country. Terrorist training camps might be a good subject for a show. At least more people would here about it.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

It can be found on YouTube, just type in "terrorist camps" and it is an interview between Shawn Hannity and Martin Mawyer. I believe it was the second one down. If I knew how to give you a link I would do it. But that should get you there.

 

[ThomasT]

Thanks, I'll have a look.

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[Hungry Seagull]

Why do I have a disturbed feeling that no one will ever sleep until they recline upon a mountain of copper, brass and silver dug out to conform to the body so as to sleep well at night as a animal does.

Have we forgotten that we can only carry X bullets, X food and X necessary items and still be mobile?

I had a dream lastnight that bothered me. For some reason I had the Scooter Store sell me a chair for me, a rack for the guns, box for the bullets, a trailer hitch to hook onto 3 more chairs configured as carriers of cargo ranging from MRE's Trauma kits and other end of world stuff including extra batteries to make it all work.

At some point in your life, you are going to be too tired, too poor and probably too fed up with running, moving or going anywhere and plant your flag for the last time. Wherever it may be, I sure hope you will be happy there when these bad days come.

I recall a show I recently watched. A Survivalist was out, disconnected completely from the Grid, US Life, Society etc and patrols his patch of nothing somewhere in the US Southwest, miles from anything. While relieving himself a snake wrapped around his trigger of the weapon and it got him killed.

Something to think about.

How much is enough? I say a small ammo box for each caliber you carry is plenty. Anything more than that you are either going to be overrun and killed or you are living so far out none can walk that far and still attack you in any condition.

 

[Elbert P . Suggins]

Hungry Seagull, when you sit down that one last time and plant a flag, make sure it isn't white.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

No Sir, it will not be white. We are looking into several states, including Idaho at this time.

Cheers.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

One round of 308 equals one to two hundred pounds of venison. One 45-70 round can be equal to many hundreds of pounds of moose or elk or bear. One .22 round is equal to a squirrel dinner for one or a rabbit dinner for two.

I'm rich.

Woody

Oh yes, and buy those arms you've always wanted and a goodly stock of ammo. The time may come that all we'll have is how we've prepared ourselves today. B.E. Wood