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Anyone own a Stoeger coach gun? Have heard a great deal negative on these. Handled one at the store today and found it to be very nice and handy. But I hear they do not hold up and are oft riddled with problems from the factory. Sad.

Any truth to this? Was a little over $400 and the price is right. Are they really that bad of a gun?
 
I don't own one, but do shoot (cowboy action) with a number of guys who use them. I've not seen or heard of any problems with beyond the odd part failure you will likely see in any weapon used is a similar fashion. The only reason I don't have one is I prefer to shoot an exposed hammer gun.
 
Folk that shoot them only a little (e.g. CAS matches 4-5 times a year, or a couple of blasts off the back porch on occasion) tend to think OK of them - they're inexpensive and they pretty much put pellets downrange. Folk that are more critical users tend not to think as well of them. It's easy to read that and think 'ah, snobby', but it's not meant to convey that at all. Some folk use their shotguns a lot (sport or hunting or SD/HD training) and are therefore more demanding of gun performance and/or reliability than others that only want an occasional-use shotgun. The Stoeger will appeal to the latter, but not to the former.

I've owned a Coach and a Condor; both basically worked, but I sold both when it became clear to me that they had some basic material and manufacture shortcuts. Neither would pattern well between barrels; this may not matter much for 10yd CAS stationary targets, but lack of reasonable barrel convergence is a dealbreaker for a field gun. Both had very rough metal that caused functional glitches. The Condor, in particular, had extraction issues that required a rat tail file to clean out the flashing from the extractor tunnel. Both required polishing of the chambers to reliably extract steel-base promo hull ammo (e.g. the stuff that you buy at Walmart).

So it really depends on what you want out of the gun. If you want a cheap gun to try CAS with - it's probably worth it. If you want something that you can use in anger or in the field, then I'd probably look elsewhere.
 
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I have one in 20 ga for behind the door or camp duty. A little crude but tight. Probably only 150 rounds through it. Mod and mod, if you can believe that.
Normally when I see the name Stoeger I get apprehensive as I have seen lots of problems with the autos and "trap" over unders.. Best thing Stoeger ever made was the Shooters Bible and it was only about a tenth of what the original Gun Digest was. BTW, the my gun was used and well under $300.
 
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still breaks a little stiff.
As an aside - as I alluded to above, that was a symptom on mine. The downside is that it's not indicative of build quality (tight tolerances around the pins and bolt/bite) - it's binding of the ejector. The upside is that it's easily fixed, if you've a mind to do so.
 
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My experience may or may not shed much light on OPs question. I have an 12 gage upland Stoeger bought specifically for SASS. Back then (15 years ago IRCC) I would shoot 1-2 matches a month. Never had a problem with it except for the auto safety which had to go away. Never patterned it but didnt need to and i could keep up with all but the best of the knuckle busters. Back then a lot of hombres used them and I never saw or heard a problem. Eventually I switched to a 97 but frankly I found the stoeger to be the better performer for me. Also, I still prefer the 'upland' s' 24" barrels to the 'coach gun's' 18" barrel set.

Yes fit and finish is lacking but who cares? It's a coach gun. Admittedly, this gun sits in a closet most all the time and gets about a box of shells a year now. I doubt it could manage the constant use of a Browning but it isn't ment to either.
 
What’s the options if not stoeger? I’ve always wanted a side by side coach gun.
Do you want internal hammers or exposed hammers? It has been my observation that folk that tend to use a coach gun for HD/SD seem to tend towards external hammer models, so that the chambers can be de-cocked without needing to unload the gun. Internal hammer guns can only be decocked by pulling the trigger (meaning that they go BOOM!).

By the way - you do not want to dry-fire double barrel guns with internal hammers. The hammers/firing pins tend to get mucked up pretty quickly that way.
 
I buy what your selling as far as cutting down a Stevens but one of the things I always heard was it throws poa off mightily. Making the barrels off from each other. But then again seems like a stoeger already has that issue. The cz-USA has promise but it appears to be twice as much cheddar.
 
a friend brought a Mossberg imported from turkey, a silver reserve/u 20ga over for me to look at as the triggers didn,t work right most the time. I,m here to tell you if you buy any of the low end imported shotguns, please take the time to take the butt stock off and look at the inardes. I put the butt stock back on and told him to take it back to the store where he bought in new feb this year, they gave him a in store voutcher for the cost of the shotgun and told him they would not sell any or stock them. for the price it was a total piece of crap, I know there are those who will flame this post. but that shotgun made a savage 311 look like a top grade parker.
 
Unless some new method has been developed, regulating barrels is painstaking, time consuming and must be done by hand. I’ve never participated in, much less seen a CAS match so I have no idea whether barrel regulation is important in that pursuit. For what I do, hunting, barrel regulation is of the utmost importance and I don’t believe SxS’s can be sold at the price Stoeger sells them for and have meaningful regulation. For that reason I’ll not own a Stoeger SxS or O/U.

I have owned a Stoeger semi in the past and would have no problem with owning one again. Their SxS’s are made in Brazil. I believe Turkey puts out much better shotguns as a rule than Brazil.
 
I bought a stoeger coach gun 30 years ago. I bought a stoeger condor for trap last year. Neither has given me a reason to regret the purchase. The coach gun has seen more than its fair share of 3 inch buckshot loads and it is still tight.

Unless you are a hard core competition shooter a stoeger should serve you well.

IronHand
 
I have a coach gun and it has held up well for about a thousand rounds but it really thumps you if you use deer slugs in it. Reduced recoil rounds work very well but full up slugs will make your shoulder hurt.
 
"but it really thumps you if you use deer slugs"

gee,really ?? LOL

I've used mine for cowboy shooting for a long time, it has always served me well. I have no idea how it patterns and don't care,for my use of it.

The only 'fault' I know of,and that may not be true anymore is soft firing pins..the heads will mushroom after a while with heavy use, Easy to replace with better ones .


the auto safety is easily converted to a manual safety.

I'm sure you'll be happy with one ,and they do loosen up with use,and lubrication. They are very good for the money.
 
Folk that shoot them only a little (e.g. CAS matches 4-5 times a year, or a couple of blasts off the back porch on occasion) tend to think OK of them - they're inexpensive and they pretty much put pellets downrange. Folk that are more critical users tend not to think as well of them. It's easy to read that and think 'ah, snobby', but it's not meant to convey that at all. Some folk use their shotguns a lot (sport or hunting or SD/HD training) and are therefore more demanding of gun performance and/or reliability than others that only want an occasional-use shotgun. The Stoeger will appeal to the latter, but not to the former.

I've owned a Coach and a Condor; both basically worked, but I sold both when it became clear to me that they had some basic material and manufacture shortcuts. Neither would pattern well between barrels; this may not matter much for 10yd CAS stationary targets, but lack of reasonable barrel convergence is a dealbreaker for a field gun. Both had very rough metal that caused functional glitches. The Condor, in particular, had extraction issues that required a rat tail file to clean out the flashing from the extractor tunnel. Both required polishing of the chambers to reliably extract steel-base promo hull ammo (e.g. the stuff that you buy at Walmart).

So it really depends on what you want out of the gun. If you want a cheap gun to try CAS with - it's probably worth it. If you want something that you can use in anger or in the field, then I'd probably look elsewhere.

rbernie hit the nail on the head. When I was shooting CAS, I started with a Coach Gun Deluxe, ( the nickel plated one, with nicer wood and choke tubes.) Out of the box, it was break-it-across-your-knee stiff, and needed considerable tuning before it would load and extract smoothly. After that, it worked for a year or two, until I started to get serious and started putting in lots of dry fire, and shooting lots of matches. Pretty soon, parts started breaking. I had stuff fixed as it came up, to keep in the game. After all, I thought, you can buy 4 Stoegers for the price of a Browning or an SKB. Before long, though, between my dad and myself, we had done just that. We each had a match gun, and a backup, and at one point, none of the 4 were running. At some point, ponying up became the better option.

So the question is, what do you want to do with it?
 
I once had a Stoeger Uplander in 20ga. I used it for skeet, trap, and quite a bit of hunting. Had it for around ten years and never a glitch with it. It was ugly as home-made sin, but very reliable and well made.
 
I've got a Stoeger Double Defense, and it breaks stiff too.
I think part of the stiffness is because it's hammerless and it actually cocks both barrels when you break it open.
 
At the range last year I heard a big boom and cry of pain after a guy fired booth barrels with his new Stoeger 12ga :eek:
 
SxS guns, in order to be well made and with barrels regulated properly, require a lot more hand-fitting and labor - which makes them expensive. Another option to the Stevens would be to find an older AyA Matador which was made for Sears. In either case, if you want to absolutely have short barrels, you'll need to have them cut (Do NOT use pipe cutters or similar)

Personally, I find them to be prone to more problems than they are worth, but I prefer my SxS guns to balance and handle well besides shoot properly
 
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