Compared to common semiauto pistol rounds. Not compared to other rifle rounds.
Stop me from buying a kel-tec please
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larryh1108
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Huh?
Seriously?
That is as off-the-wall as it gets..... explaining why you bought an item you wanted instead of needed to the man upstairs.
I mean, really?
redbone
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I've shot one a few times and they are interesting. Perhaps as a car gun they would be good to dismount with quickly. But, for a first pistol, I'd recommend learning to shoot something else first - like a Model 10 or a Glock 19, or any one of many different traditional handguns. Learning on a .22 LR has a lot of economic advantages also.
Panzerschwein
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If you're going to get a rifle caliber pistol, go all the way:
Sistema1927
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Why the aversion to a buffer tube? It allows one to get a cheek weld on an AR pistol, which vastly improves accuracy. Through on a KAK Shockwave brace ant it gets even better.
I wanted a rifle caliber pistol until my friend let me shoot a few mags through his pistol AK. That cured me of the immediate desire, it was awkward and obviously not designed for ergonomics or effectiveness. Maybe the smaller .223/5.56 variety are more user friendly but entertainment is the only real use I can think of.
alientrainwreck
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What is that picture of ? I had one that had a stock but also had a flat top for mounting optics ,short barrel, 7.62 and I remember how heavy it was to be so small. My wife killed her first deer with it. I traded it for a galil that was probably a mistake but I didn't now what I had and still don't forsure that was 20 years ago.
J-Bar
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I have never owned a Kel-Tec so I must rely on others to assess quality.
If you want a .223 handgun, why not go with a Thompson Center Encore or Contender? Yes, it is a single shot, so you will actually have to aim it, instead of spray and pray. But it will be an accurate, reliable firearm. Resale should not be a problem.
You can have fun at the range with something other than a semi-auto.
If you want a .223 handgun, why not go with a Thompson Center Encore or Contender? Yes, it is a single shot, so you will actually have to aim it, instead of spray and pray. But it will be an accurate, reliable firearm. Resale should not be a problem.
You can have fun at the range with something other than a semi-auto.
Is this going to be your first handgun? Post 13 makes it sound like you don't own any other handguns. If so any .223 handgun is not a good choice. A rifle chopped to handgun length does put the gun in the same category as a typical handgun. Any practicality associated with the fact it's a common round is greatly outweighed by impractical nature of the gun.
alientrainwreck
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What about a BFR (Biggest Finest Revolver ) I had one for a while in 30-30 I deer hunted with it. Was a pistol that got plenty attention and it was easy to resale.
justice06rr
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the .223/5.56 is smaller than most pistol rounds and cost about the same as .40 or 45ACP.
To the OP, if you are willing to take a gamble and spend $500 (without regret I might add) for a novelty/range gun, then go for it. I don't see any issue with that as long as you know the downsides already.
If you want to spend that money more reasonably on a reliable gun, get a Glock 9/40/45 instead.
The_Next_Generation
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My thoughts exactly.
Regarding the aftermarket stuff for the KT 223 pistols...there isn't much. Different optics can be mounted, muzzle devices, but that's about it. Check ATF rulings before you even think about buying a vertical grip.
If you're looking for a good, "multi-role" handgun get a Glock 19 MOS. Concealable if you want, can put a red dot on it if you want, 33rd mags as an option, rail on the front for a light, etc. Plus a HUGE aftermarket if tinkering is your thing.
FWIW, I can hit a 12x12" plate 4/5 times at 100 yards with my stock Glock 19 and Ameriglo Idot Pro sights. I don't know that I could do much better with something as awkward as a 223 semi-auto pistol.
I do not intend to offend you in any way, but I sense that you may be relatively new to firearms from an academic/knowledge standpoint - feel free to PM me if you would like some guidance.
Edit to Add: Why the aversion to foreign products? I realize that would knock the Glock out of the question, so maybe a S&W M&P CORE would be a comparable choice to the Glock 19 MOS.
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I have the plr16 and I like it.It can be hidden under a hunting coat and is very accurate with a nice scope.It has been trouble free but is very loud.I hunt coyotes with it and it's size and weight makes it very handy.These days the less people know what you're doing the better.
Clark
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I bought a Professional Ordnance Carbon 15 pistol in 223 that takes AR15 mags for $1000 about 16 years ago.
I normally never sell guns, just put them in storage and forget about them.
But I made an exception. I was so certain that I did not want to shoot a gun that noisy again that I sold it for $850 on consignment at the pawn shop. They said it would never sell, but it was gone right away. Dumb stuff sells fast.
I normally never sell guns, just put them in storage and forget about them.
But I made an exception. I was so certain that I did not want to shoot a gun that noisy again that I sold it for $850 on consignment at the pawn shop. They said it would never sell, but it was gone right away. Dumb stuff sells fast.
Sorry I can't own a glock, it's not American enough.
The_Next_Generation
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But the American copies of the design/concept are?
Oolong, a friend of mine had a Keltec carbine and two of their compact pistols in 9mm. We broke all three by simply shooting them.
The carbine, which was the 5.56 model with the folding stock, cracked right behind the action and the factory had to replace it.
Both pistols broke the same small part (forget which one).
Keltec was professional and promptly repaired or replaced everything.
That's my first hand experience with Keltec
The carbine, which was the 5.56 model with the folding stock, cracked right behind the action and the factory had to replace it.
Both pistols broke the same small part (forget which one).
Keltec was professional and promptly repaired or replaced everything.
That's my first hand experience with Keltec
They make AK pistols in 223. That would not have a buffer tube and most don't come with a support brace.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...stava+PAP+M85+NP+Pistol+223/5.56+10.25+30+1+P
This is an example. The KelTec would probably be lighter.
I bought an AK like that in 7.62X39. I thought it would be cool to have. I found I didn't like it. The muzzle blast was impressive and the only way to comfortably fire it was from the hip. I would get a folding stock rifle any day over a rifle caliber pistol.
That said, I own several Keltec firearms. The only one I have had issues with is the PF9. When I sent that back, they did fix it.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog...stava+PAP+M85+NP+Pistol+223/5.56+10.25+30+1+P
This is an example. The KelTec would probably be lighter.
I bought an AK like that in 7.62X39. I thought it would be cool to have. I found I didn't like it. The muzzle blast was impressive and the only way to comfortably fire it was from the hip. I would get a folding stock rifle any day over a rifle caliber pistol.
That said, I own several Keltec firearms. The only one I have had issues with is the PF9. When I sent that back, they did fix it.
1. You choice.
2. You are already dropping many of the AR bonuses when you cut out the stock and have very little handguard. You can still get an upgraded trigger, but the benefits aren't really there with an AR pistol.
3. The AK pistol I linked has a threaded barrel. You just need to allow for potentially different thread pitch. It is probably either standard 223 type or the left handed threads used on 30 caliber AKs. Both are commonly available with suppressors.
However, if you really want an AR pistol, by all means get it. Sometimes the only way to satisfy the desire is to go ahead and get it.
2. You are already dropping many of the AR bonuses when you cut out the stock and have very little handguard. You can still get an upgraded trigger, but the benefits aren't really there with an AR pistol.
3. The AK pistol I linked has a threaded barrel. You just need to allow for potentially different thread pitch. It is probably either standard 223 type or the left handed threads used on 30 caliber AKs. Both are commonly available with suppressors.
However, if you really want an AR pistol, by all means get it. Sometimes the only way to satisfy the desire is to go ahead and get it.
Jackal
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The buffer tube is the best part and only saving grace of the AR pistol. The ability to cheek weld your pistol actually makes it somewhat viable and easy to use. Hell, people ad buffer tube to other pistol designs that dont even need them for this purpose. Seeking a rifle cartridge pistol without the ability to cheek weld is a recipe for an incredibly useless firearm.
svtruth
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I like mine. It is very loud. Has a neat take down procedure. Recoil never seemed a big deal.
Good luck
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