Stop running dogs on my property!!

[Arkel23]

Today, I was out in the stand having a nice time, hadn't seen any deer, but it was just nice, then all of a sudden i see something brown wonder out from the woods, I get my gun up to realize it was a dog with 2 other dogs behind, I really think about putting em down, since they are on my property, I let them go, 10 mins later I see a deer run across the field, followed by 3 dogs, what can I do besides shoot these dogs? I mean I'm coming close, if I see em out next time, they may go down. Hint, I missed a deer or dog 2x but I apparently need to go re-sight in my scope.

 

[MCgunner]

Dogs have been known to come on to my place and never leave, if ya know what I mean. SSS. Did they have collars? Were they perhaps feral? Not that it matters at this point. But, if you could track down who owns the dogs if anyone does, you might have a talk with 'em about penning 'em. If they're snotty with you, just SSS.

Me, I wouldn't waste my time tracking down owners, but you know, it might be the nice thing to do. I'm an analpour about such things.

 

[sonier]

move to colorado lol any dog chasing deer may be shot. same goes for livestock. but best thing ive found is a rubber 12 guage slug will stop them from hanging around.

 

[Arkel23]

Mc, I don't think those were anyones dogs, they looked stray. Sonier, I think I'm gonna check to see if that applies to SC.

 

[MCgunner]

I'd just treat 'em like coyotes and let the vultures have a meal. They gotta eat, too, ya know. Think of it as charity for vultures.

 

[Fremmer]

Dogs will run a deer to death. If they look feral, shoot 'em.

 

[61chalk]

I now guys who have had their dogs get loose during deer season, that never return an they know what happened. They know they got shot. They know they got shot because they have had hunts ruined by dogs that they then shoot. I've yet to shoot a dog during deer season, if someone shot my dog running a deer on their property I wouldn't blame them. I did have guys running dogs that were fox hunting years ago that ruined my hunt during archery season...I found them down the road with their radar tracking them. Told them their dogs were right on a red fox that ran past me...they seemed happy for a moment that their dogs were doing good....until I told them they were running too fast for my archery skills, but when gun season comes in an I see them again there dead. Never saw them again.

 

[hossfly]

Against the law in SC and people have gotten in BIG trouble for it. I've had plenty of dogs chase deer by my stands. The world didn't come to an end. My dogs are penned but I have NO use for someone so trigger happy he has to pop someone's dog.

 

[Clipper]

I always managed to catch 'em molesting my chickens ...Into the 6X6, a few shovelfuls of dirt, and it's ready for the next one.

 

[MCgunner]

Against the law in SC and people have gotten in BIG trouble for it. I've had plenty of dogs chase deer by my stands. The world didn't come to an end. My dogs are penned but I have NO use for someone so trigger happy he has to pop someone's dog.

Then you'll have no use for me cause I SSS. Dogs that are loose, especially feral, are worse than natural predators and need to be eliminated by any means possible. If you don't want your dog shot, don't let him run on my land. It's that simple, panzy butt PETA laws or not.

 

[hossfly]

I don't....but just how much of a man does it take to shoot a dog. "Hunters" shooting peoples pets are probably a much better friend to PETA than I am. They would just LOVE to get their hands on posts with bigshots bragging about it. Which is an all too common occurance.

 

[Nicodemus38]

i dont see how peta would have any issue with someone who shot someones big mean 80 pound dog as it tried to eat little 40 pound bambi with white spots and all on it.

the problem is that most stray dogs you find around hunting time are not stray at all. they are the "lost' animals the owners let loose to run deer for them and to haress the neighbor off of their own hunting land.

 

[MCgunner]

I don't....but just how much of a man does it take to shoot a dog.

Say WHAT? How much "man" does it take to shoot a deer? He ain't shootin' back, ya know. Just don't think of 'em as dogs, think of 'em as hybrid wolves. I love dogs and cats as much as anyone, but I don't care for 'em when they're chasing game on my property. Keep 'em off my property and you got nothin' to worry about.

Hell, if I don't shoot 'em, the hogs'll probably take care of 'em anyway, assuming they're stupid enough to try to chase a hog.

 

[hossfly]

What ever it takes to make you feel better.

Year before last there was a very public headline here that went something like "Hunter Shoots Woman's Dog as she Watched" The dog was a pug...she was walking in the woods, he shot the dog across a fence in front of her and tried to tell the law he thought it was a coyote. Didn't fly. Big trouble for him....no sympathy from me and lots of other hunters for him. Note...the headline said "Hunter."

Another situation someone told me about. A guy in a club gets back to the clubhouse mad...said he shot a dog....they asked if the dog had a collar...he says, "yes...and he didn't give a ****"....busted his hunt. Dog belonged to the LANDOWNER who was a very amiable elderly man.

Too many sociopaths just looking to kill anything that walks call themselves hunters and it for sure does our image NO GOOD.

It's illegal in SC and if I know someone does it, I'll report them. No ifs ands or butts about it. And I'll have not one ounce of sympathy when they have to pay the piper.

 

[JWF III]

I don't think those were anyones dogs, they looked stray.

shooting peoples pets

Two different topics.

No collar/stray/feral, law or not, I'll shoot them the first time I see them.

Collared, law or not, I'll give them (at least) three chances. If they come by on three consecutive days, they won't be leaving. If they are spread out by weeks or months, I'd have to have a long talk to the owner. If that doesn't fix the problem, they only get one chance.

Dogs go missing all the time. Dogs loose collars all the time. Most states have leash laws. A troublesome dog with a troublesome owner, I'd have no problem removing a collar. Of course this only after giving it a few weeks from when I confronted the owner. Even if the law was on their side, they still have to prove the dog is dead. And not just run off.

Wyman

BTW, our local GW told us it was our decision, collar or no collar. But he requested that we killed every feral dog we saw.

 

[Arkel23]

Well, hoss posted a link for me where it says I can call in law enforcement to kill em for me. I know they just better not be on my property when I'm hunting again. I may/most likely will give them a call, if I don't see cujo and his gang this weekend.

 

[hossfly]

Yes...and just so there's and honest account..I STRONGLY encouraged arkel to make that call.

 

[hossfly]

jwf...

It may or may not be two different topics....it's amazing how often a "hunter" who's been busted was "defending his life" by some vicious snarling rabid monster.

And we have consistent references to SSS.....now if you're legitimately getting rid of a wild dog, why would there be a need for SSS?

No. Just trigger happy thugs looking for an excuse to shoot anything is generally the reality of these situations.

 

[AndyJ]

Back when I was just a young sprout, I worked at several Dairy Farms in the Sweetwater Valley in East Tennessee. Now, I don't know if y'all know alot about dairy farming but purebred Holsteins with a pedigree are worth considerable cash. This was a large dairy at over 800 acres and 900 cows in the milk line.

They bottle fed all the baby calves in individual pens and then they got turned out into small pastures with the same age calves when they were weaned. They had a bad dog problem. Looked to me like there was a core group of near feral animals and the local house dogs would join the feral pack on a regular basis and then go home once the night's running was over. The pack instinct is overpowering for even a tame dog. These dogs were not running down these heifers for food, it was pure bloodsport. I had high dollar calves killed on the spot with their throats ripped out and others permanently maimed with no ears or tails. Some were so maimed, I had to put them down on the spot.

I talked the problem over with the owner who was at his wits' end and here is what happened. I went out and bought a Remington 742 in 243 and a Redfield variable power scope that I do not even recall. I sighted it in at 100 yards using milk jugs down in the big cornfield in the river bottom and I put one of those rubber coated gunracks in my Dodge Powerwagon. Except I didn't mount it in the back window like every body else. I mounted it on the back wall of the cab where I could get to it when I folded the bench seat forward... and nobody could see it.

Then I started walking. I would walk up to where the calves were fed daily or where most of the attacks occurred. I never said a word to ANYBODY, including the farm owner. What do you call that? Plausible deniability? Never said a word to this day, 35 years later.

I killed every dog I saw ranging on the property that was in a group of more than 3 dogs. No questions asked, no evidence left. It was a gruesome sight to see a pack of 4-10 dogs tear into a 200-300 lb dairy heifer. I didn't think about house pets or coon dogs or bird dogs. These animals were where they did not belong and engaged in activities for which the owners did not take responsibility. Shame on them.

A month in to this mess, there was quite a hue and cry from the dog owners but all they could do was throw up their hands and holler. They knew what was going on. 2 months into it, the domesticated animals were noticeably absent and the wily and wary truly feral dogs were the only targets of opportunity. The domesticated animals were obviously being penned as they should have been all along. 3 months into it, the 742 stayed behind the seat most all the time and I was able to get back to normal dairying.

 

[Arkel23]

Andy, sounds like it was a mess.

 

[AndyJ]

Andy, sounds like it was a mess.

Different times, ya know? No PETA or PC bs back in the day. If I remember right I bought the 742 off the rack at the local hardware store. Gun stores outside of big cities are a fairly recent phenomena but then again I am mostly just a grumpy old fart whose memory is cloudy at best.

The only thing I kill on sight now is a rattler and a Piney Woods Rooter. Everything else is subject to that PC bs and guvmint rules. Not that I don't think about it----- hard too, sometimes.

 

[JohnKSa]

Year before last there was a very public headline here that went something like "Hunter Shoots Woman's Dog as she Watched" The dog was a pug...she was walking in the woods, he shot the dog across a fence in front of her and tried to tell the law he thought it was a coyote. Didn't fly. Big trouble for him....no sympathy from me and lots of other hunters for him. Note...the headline said "Hunter."

Haven't seen anyone suggest that killing a non-aggressive dog attended by the owner is a good idea.

Another situation someone told me about. A guy in a club gets back to the clubhouse mad...said he shot a dog....they asked if the dog had a collar...he says, "yes...and he didn't give a ****"....busted his hunt. Dog belonged to the LANDOWNER who was a very amiable elderly man.

The landowner makes the rules. Not too smart (and also probably not legal) to shoot anything on someone else's land without getting their permission first.

Good stories with good morals to them but neither one is particularly applicable to the question of whether or not a landowner should shoot unattended dogs running game on his own property.

My dogs are penned but I have NO use for someone so trigger happy he has to pop someone's dog.

Now THIS is VERY applicable. People, like you, who care about others and their pets control them to prevent them from becoming a danger or a nuisance to others and ALSO to protect them.

People who don't care about others and who don't care about their pets cause problems like the one in the original post.

 

[MCgunner]

By Texas law, if they threaten livestock, even if you don't catch 'em IN the act, you are in your rights to kill 'em. Nuf said.

And, if some lady is walkin' her dog on my place, I'll just call the game warden or sheriff and have here arrested for trespass. I'm not sure what that story has to do with dogs on my place. It ain't anywhere near a city park or even a house. there's a few houses up the road a ways, but if you're walkin' your dog out there, you'd better have your snake boots on. I've been hit twice on my boot. They hole up this time of year, though.

Good luck on callin' the law. I've had stray problems here big time, coming in my yard and killin' my cats. I like my cats as much as anyone likes their dog. There was a stray pack around here for a while, though, killed some expensive exotic sheep on one guy's place and he took care of two of 'em, was in the paper. The cops would come around, did no good. The animal control set a trap in the yard, caught a raccoon. One cop told me he was called down to the bay in front of my house, wade fishermen couldn't get out of the water because those dogs were pacing the shore and growlin' at 'em. Cop got there with orders to shoot 'em, but they'd gone by then. They must have gotten that pack, FINALLY, though, cause I haven't seen 'em around in over a year. Well, lets say SOMEone got 'em. I kinda doubt it was animal control.

I'd as soon shoot a stray as a coyote on my place. I will admit to running off a small dog once that had a collar. He was about a foot tall, ain't like he's going to hurt a deer or anything and he can wrestle the coons and possums if he wants. Good luck on that. Only thing I've shot out there were a few big dogs that looked like strays, had no collar.

And, I have been attacked by dogs, twice. Once when I was kickin' a dog off my cat, the other when I was a kid that pulled me off my bicycle and took 12 stitches at the emergency room. My parents didn't even sue that dog owner. If that happened to my kid now days, I'd own that guy's house. LOL Sheriff did put that dog down, though. Now days, they'd probably try to rehab it and adopt it out. Too many people think what basically amounts to a tame wolf is human and needs "rights". Well, you shouldn't mistreat animals, but "rights"? Shooting strays isn't mistreatment, it's a community service.

 

[jaholder1971]

Hossfly said:

I don't....but just how much of a man does it take to shoot a dog. "Hunters" shooting peoples pets are probably a much better friend to PETA than I am. They would just LOVE to get their hands on posts with bigshots bragging about it. Which is an all too common occurance.

Hey Junior, if you like your dogs then keep them on your property.

 

[jbkebert]

I am having a problem with the neighbors dogs now. We live in the country and our lab is in heat. So every darn dog in a country mile has been over here at least once. The guy who lives to our east has two dogs that have been lurking around alot. One of them apparently chased my three year old daughter and was growling at her. I was not home at the time or I would of dropped it. I found out when I got home that night and I called the owner. This was Monday of this week. The dogs owner is a officer on the reservation north of here. I told him what happened and asked him to keep his dogs tied up. I explained that if it went after one of my kids it would not make it back home. Sucker went off on me for apparently threatening him and his precious dogs. So I guess I'll shoot it and toss it in the road and run it over a few times.