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Storing Gasoline
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gruven
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I realize I'm dredging up a bit of an old thread, but I had a few questions pertaining to my specific situation. I've recently moved into a townhouse and in planning for the possibility of a long term power outage due to excessive snow or something, it occurred to me that I have no backup heat or cooking device. The house has gas heat and stove.
I thought about a generator, but I have nowhere outside to store fuel. (I'm not sure if the implication is that those safety canisters can be safely kept indoors or not...) There's a basement, but the furnace is down there. There is an attic for storage also, but that's about it.
Anyone else in a situation like this that could help with some ideas? I thought maybe a large camping stove with sealed fuel canisters or something, but I really don't know...
Thanks.
I thought about a generator, but I have nowhere outside to store fuel. (I'm not sure if the implication is that those safety canisters can be safely kept indoors or not...) There's a basement, but the furnace is down there. There is an attic for storage also, but that's about it.
Anyone else in a situation like this that could help with some ideas? I thought maybe a large camping stove with sealed fuel canisters or something, but I really don't know...
Thanks.
George Hill
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In wine bottles with a 50-50 mix of stablizing additives such as soap...
GRUVEN
I recommend you buy a portable propane heater - aka "Mr. Heater". I have one, and it is safe for emergency indoor heating (per manufacturer's instructions). It runs off of those little green propane canisters that can be bought at Wal-Mart or anywhere for less than $2 each.
Here is a link for the heater: Click here
There is also a small camping stove that uses the same small green propane canisters which are inexpensive, and could be used for emergency cooking. I'm not sure how safe these would be to use indoors - but in a pinch, you could use it to boil water and cook - even if you had to do it on your back porch. I bought one from Wal-Mart a couple of years ago for less than $20. I have used it while camping, and it has worked very well.
The propane canisters could be safely stored in a closet or one of those big rubbermaid containers - away from light.
Hope this helps.
TD
I recommend you buy a portable propane heater - aka "Mr. Heater". I have one, and it is safe for emergency indoor heating (per manufacturer's instructions). It runs off of those little green propane canisters that can be bought at Wal-Mart or anywhere for less than $2 each.
Here is a link for the heater: Click here
There is also a small camping stove that uses the same small green propane canisters which are inexpensive, and could be used for emergency cooking. I'm not sure how safe these would be to use indoors - but in a pinch, you could use it to boil water and cook - even if you had to do it on your back porch. I bought one from Wal-Mart a couple of years ago for less than $20. I have used it while camping, and it has worked very well.
The propane canisters could be safely stored in a closet or one of those big rubbermaid containers - away from light.
Hope this helps.
TD
Andrew Rothman
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There is no clue to be had. There are NO documented cases of a cel phone igniting fuel at a gas station.
Static electricity, as mentioned, IS a problem.
I'm not a hard-core survivalist, but my house is in a low-lying area, and the sump pump works pretty hard all spring. The electricity around here hasn't been reliable, so I got a natural gas-powered generator. I went whole-hog and got the whole-house model -- about $4000. Since I work from home, I wrote it off as a business expense -- gotta keep those computers going!!
For natural disasters, I feel pretty good about either the natural gas or the elctricity continuing to flow. In TEOTWAWKI, a wet basement and dark computers will be among the least of my worries!
DragonRider
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I live in a townhouse and faced a similar deliema a few months ago when I moved in. I have a Honda EU2000I Generator, which I store 15 gallons of gas for that and my car(not including what is already in the car. I also just got a Dynaglo kerosene heater, for that I plan on storing 10 gallons. All are stored in a shed against the back fence.
You have to look at what you already have and see where it fits in. My camp stoves are dual burner White Gas/Kerosene so I had that base covered. LP or Propane may be better for.
There are currently a few threads on the subject at AR15.com Here
Good Luck
John
You have to look at what you already have and see where it fits in. My camp stoves are dual burner White Gas/Kerosene so I had that base covered. LP or Propane may be better for.
There are currently a few threads on the subject at AR15.com Here
Good Luck
John
Mike Irwin
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If you've got gas service, you've more than likely got the ability to cook using your stove.
As for heat, you can install either a vented or unvented freestanding stove that runs off your gas line that will throw out a good amount of heat and not depend on electricity.
Check out the manufacturers at www.hearth.com for more gas stove options than you could ever hope to imagine. There are literally dozens of makers with a full range of products.
If you want to go cheaper, you can install a utilitarian wall-hanging model like one of those shown at this site: http://riverhousetraders.com/heaters.html
As for heat, you can install either a vented or unvented freestanding stove that runs off your gas line that will throw out a good amount of heat and not depend on electricity.
Check out the manufacturers at www.hearth.com for more gas stove options than you could ever hope to imagine. There are literally dozens of makers with a full range of products.
If you want to go cheaper, you can install a utilitarian wall-hanging model like one of those shown at this site: http://riverhousetraders.com/heaters.html
larry_minn
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Mpayne Did you ever chech on what it would cost to get parts to convert over to LP? Gas can be shut down if there is any fire/breaks in line. AFter spending so much $$$ why not consider this. Used 500gal LP tanks can be had for less then $300 and 50 to 100 gal LP tanks are dang near given away it seems.
I have @200gal of gas and @300 dsl on hand. In metal can (read steel tank on metal legs) Gravity flow. Gets rotated @ year.. (used)
Wonder what guy was going to do with 250 gal of gas if SHTF? Why go anywhere and gas will break down in a couple years even if stored properly. IMO rather have food/cloths/heat/ammo. Unless he planned to run Gen all the time.
I have @200gal of gas and @300 dsl on hand. In metal can (read steel tank on metal legs) Gravity flow. Gets rotated @ year.. (used)
Wonder what guy was going to do with 250 gal of gas if SHTF? Why go anywhere and gas will break down in a couple years even if stored properly. IMO rather have food/cloths/heat/ammo. Unless he planned to run Gen all the time.
When I used to race dirtbikes, premium pump gas would not start my bikes after being in a plastic can (tightly closed) for a week. In a metal can, it would work after months.
Those super thick plastic kerosene jugs (that you can't even begin to see through) may be a little different, but the lawn and garden jugs are bad.
Mike Irwin
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Don't know why that would be the case, Zahc. I've never had problems with gasoline stored in the plastic containers either short term or long-term (with stabilizers).
wingnutx
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I store mine soaked up in a big pile rags, which I store strewn about the garage.
Penforhire
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The Mythbusters show totally debunked the cell phone-starting-fires thing. What was reported, however, is if you get back in your car (e.g. to talk on a phone) while the gas is pumping there's a greater chance of static discharge causing a fire when you go to grab the pump. But that's from rubbing against the seat material. And more women than men do this (get back in the car during fill-up).
I don't either. The motorcycles in question were very picky. The aged gas worked just fine in anything normal. I also observed that the stickers on the (plastic) gas tank on the bikes would not last nearly as long as the ones on the radiator shrouds. I assumed that the gas leached through the plastic.
I work at seneca lake marina and can personally vouch for the effectiveness of Sta-Bil. We buy it by the bucket.
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