leukoplast
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Ok, over the last few weeks I have been actively looking up .22 pistols trying to decide whats going to be best for me. I keep going back and fourth between the Bersa Firestorm .22 and the Ruger 22/45 MarkIII (between the P4MKIII model, and the Hunter model with smallest barrels possible). I read reviews and postings of each gun and they both are great little pistols that offer high reliability and satisfaction. So here is a breakdown of what I like, and what is on the fence.
Bersa Firestorm. (click thumbnail for bigger pic)
Pros:
- Nice and light weight (about 19oz) and fairly short length (somewhere between 6 and 7 inches overall), which would work great for CCW or just casually taking it with me on walks, fishing trips, or whatever. Overall, its very compact and small.
- I really like the build of the pistol. Its small, compact, simple and just neat. Kind of James Bond style.
- Ease of cleaning. Breaks down in seconds for very simple cleaning. No tools required.
- Double action trigger with decent 'pull' pound rating.
- Visible and manageable hammer.
- I haven't held it yet, but it appears to be a comfortable hold with the rubber grips and anatomically set finger grooves
Cons:
- Only high velocity ammo can be used. So this virtually eliminates the idea of using rounds such as CCI CB that are very quite good for 'backyard stealth plinking'. Or even other, slightly lower velocity rounds for whatever reason I would want to use them.
-Not many 'colors' available, so for the most part its quite plain looking.
- Expensive clips, and only ships with one.
Ruger 22/45 MarkIII. (click thumbnails for bigger pic)
Pros:
- I absolutely LOVE the way this gun looks. Both from a 'paint job' perspective and overall looks. It just seems like a rock solid gun that's fun to hold and shoot. Overall, I like the look and build of this gun best.
- More options available for ammo use. And while the CCI CB rounds may still fail to work the autoloader properly, at least I am not limited to only the most high velocity ammo like the Firestorm.
- Extras, extras, extras. There is a lot of truly great attachments that I could get for the gun. And its great for customizing.
- 2 clips ship with the gun, and I really haven't checked up on it much, but I am assuming clips are cheaper than the Firestorm clips.
- Larger consumer experience with the gun. Basically meaning more people know, and use this gun than the Firestorm. So that = more support in forums and more overall tips and tricks.
- Made in the USA. While not a tie breaker in terms of what gun to buy, but in this day and age its good to support products made in the good ol' US of A.
-Excellent name in firearms. Pretty much everybody and their mother has heard about Ruger, and knows they are of very good quality.
- From what I have been reading, its very accurate.
Cons:
- Hard to take apart/put back together. This is one of the biggest problems for me, as I am new to guns altogether and have no experience whatsoever in taking them apart/reassembling. And this is quite a problem for many people.
- Seemingly not small enough to CCW or as a carry/stow when I need it kind of deal. This is actually another major deciding factor for me.
- Not double action. This is a feature I would like, but not sure if its a must or not.
- Heavier than the Firestorm. (Varies around in the 29-35oz)
- Length, a inch to two inches longer overall than the Firestorm.
So my questions are, is the 22/45 still pretty small? (with smallest barrel possible). would I still be able to easily carry it? And how does it do with lower velocity ammo such as the CCi CB's?
Main deciding factors for me:
- Needs to be small, easily carry in virtually anything.
- Easy to clean and reassemble/take apart
- Would like to be able to use low velocity ammo for 'stealth' shooting.
- Looks/build
So as you can see, both guns offer exactly what I want, just split up between the two. And I have to figure out what I could part with and what I couldn't. I have came to the conclusion a few times that I could always buy the Firestorm first for a good beginner gun, then purchase the MKIII at a later date. But then I think about how great the MKIII looks and how its so customizable. I am quite torn here.
Bersa Firestorm. (click thumbnail for bigger pic)
Pros:
- Nice and light weight (about 19oz) and fairly short length (somewhere between 6 and 7 inches overall), which would work great for CCW or just casually taking it with me on walks, fishing trips, or whatever. Overall, its very compact and small.
- I really like the build of the pistol. Its small, compact, simple and just neat. Kind of James Bond style.
- Ease of cleaning. Breaks down in seconds for very simple cleaning. No tools required.
- Double action trigger with decent 'pull' pound rating.
- Visible and manageable hammer.
- I haven't held it yet, but it appears to be a comfortable hold with the rubber grips and anatomically set finger grooves
Cons:
- Only high velocity ammo can be used. So this virtually eliminates the idea of using rounds such as CCI CB that are very quite good for 'backyard stealth plinking'. Or even other, slightly lower velocity rounds for whatever reason I would want to use them.
-Not many 'colors' available, so for the most part its quite plain looking.
- Expensive clips, and only ships with one.
Ruger 22/45 MarkIII. (click thumbnails for bigger pic)
Pros:
- I absolutely LOVE the way this gun looks. Both from a 'paint job' perspective and overall looks. It just seems like a rock solid gun that's fun to hold and shoot. Overall, I like the look and build of this gun best.
- More options available for ammo use. And while the CCI CB rounds may still fail to work the autoloader properly, at least I am not limited to only the most high velocity ammo like the Firestorm.
- Extras, extras, extras. There is a lot of truly great attachments that I could get for the gun. And its great for customizing.
- 2 clips ship with the gun, and I really haven't checked up on it much, but I am assuming clips are cheaper than the Firestorm clips.
- Larger consumer experience with the gun. Basically meaning more people know, and use this gun than the Firestorm. So that = more support in forums and more overall tips and tricks.
- Made in the USA. While not a tie breaker in terms of what gun to buy, but in this day and age its good to support products made in the good ol' US of A.
-Excellent name in firearms. Pretty much everybody and their mother has heard about Ruger, and knows they are of very good quality.
- From what I have been reading, its very accurate.
Cons:
- Hard to take apart/put back together. This is one of the biggest problems for me, as I am new to guns altogether and have no experience whatsoever in taking them apart/reassembling. And this is quite a problem for many people.
- Seemingly not small enough to CCW or as a carry/stow when I need it kind of deal. This is actually another major deciding factor for me.
- Not double action. This is a feature I would like, but not sure if its a must or not.
- Heavier than the Firestorm. (Varies around in the 29-35oz)
- Length, a inch to two inches longer overall than the Firestorm.
So my questions are, is the 22/45 still pretty small? (with smallest barrel possible). would I still be able to easily carry it? And how does it do with lower velocity ammo such as the CCi CB's?
Main deciding factors for me:
- Needs to be small, easily carry in virtually anything.
- Easy to clean and reassemble/take apart
- Would like to be able to use low velocity ammo for 'stealth' shooting.
- Looks/build
So as you can see, both guns offer exactly what I want, just split up between the two. And I have to figure out what I could part with and what I couldn't. I have came to the conclusion a few times that I could always buy the Firestorm first for a good beginner gun, then purchase the MKIII at a later date. But then I think about how great the MKIII looks and how its so customizable. I am quite torn here.