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The range I used to shoot at had the 'no human sillouhette' rule, yet when the cops shot there they could use them! Also 'no more than 1 round at a time in the gun'.
Stupid range rules...
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David E
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I doubt it.
I've been to ranges that had that rule too. One was in Illinois.They were extremely serious about it, to the tune of being immediately kicked out if you shot anything in the head.
That's another possibility!
What is?
David E
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That they being WAAAAY "politically correct"
Seems to me, if they sold the exact same target as used by the PD, FBI, etc, it'd be an easy explanation to any anti-gun pantywaist who was offended by human silhouette targets.
"Those? They're the same target the FBI uses."
Of course, that's if they cared one whit about what an anti-gun pantywaist thinks.
That would seem to be a pretty good action and response.
But this was Illinois. They just don't take kindly to firearms up there.
They wouldn't even let me touch any of their guns in the shop, either, because I didn't have a FOID. Nevermind that I wasn't an Illinois resident, and couldn't get a FOID, or that I could actually buy one of their guns and have them ship it to my FFL here in GA. Nope. Couldn't lay a finger on anything they had.
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Shot a pistol match last night at Parkchester in the Bronx... a six-port 50 *foot* facility.
One of the guys found 8mm Mauser rifle brass, and .300 Win Mag rifle brass in the dump bucket.
We speculated that either someone just tossed out their brass they shot elsewhere, or that it was either a hunter function-checking their rifles (50ft doesn't strike me as a good sighting-in distance ahead of a hunt), or in the case of the .300 Win Mag, perhaps an NYPD ESU sharpshooter function checking their rifle.
SpentCasing
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Wouldnt dry firing accomplish the same thing then? Still doesnt make sense to me.
A function check? Not exactly, no
tigeroldlone
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range rules
The only range we have close is held by the State Conservation Department,no human silhouetts alowed. Otherwise they are great.
The only range we have close is held by the State Conservation Department,no human silhouetts alowed. Otherwise they are great.
MilsurpShooter
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Hmm, let's see
1 round at a time
nothing but the NRA high power targets allowed
no .50 caliber
To be honest though, it's a county run range in a almost violently anti-gun state, can't blame'em for trying to cover all the bases.
1 round at a time
nothing but the NRA high power targets allowed
no .50 caliber
To be honest though, it's a county run range in a almost violently anti-gun state, can't blame'em for trying to cover all the bases.
Ever go to a public " shoot at own risk" rules? I've been to a few ranges that had no rules. That's not too much fun when the guy hands out his toys and his buddies who don't know guns are muzzle sweeping me. I went to one in Johnson City , Tn in the 90's and some Bucky had an ND into his truck dash. Pretty wild.
no rule's
i went to one public range in princeton and that was the last time ,wanted to go down range to set up the target i had every body's eye contact ,verbal consent ,all wepons down and safe ,walked half way down and boom ! some flake let's one loose . thought i had to do as my ole man had to do in vietnam ,find out how thick his button's were .
i went to one public range in princeton and that was the last time ,wanted to go down range to set up the target i had every body's eye contact ,verbal consent ,all wepons down and safe ,walked half way down and boom ! some flake let's one loose . thought i had to do as my ole man had to do in vietnam ,find out how thick his button's were .
Kyle M.
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I shoot at a county owned and operated public range. The only rules are no full auto, and pick up after yourself. I've had alot of people give me useless and even moronic advice there, but I have yet to witness anything unsafe.
coolluke01
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I'm not sure I get this statement. The only thing I can think of would be picking someone up by the front of the shirt.
Claude Clay
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live fire test to find out if the button will stop a specific caliber....
done while the individual is wearing the garmet
live fire test to find out if the button will stop a specific caliber....
done while the individual is wearing the garmet
In the early days of VN, the buttons on the Marine utilities, and first generation of "jungle utilities" seemed to have thick buttons that kept you up too high in the prone position. The heavier the incoming the thicker they felt.
At ours it's always been pretty safe with fairly responsible people. At least the times I've been there. There was that one time though,which I know is all it takes, that there was a guy who used one word for everything. If he wanted to check his target he'd yell out,"All Clear", and take off for his target. When he got back he'd yell out,"All Clear", and out came the lead. He never fired with anyone one down range but it still made you a little nervous when he called out cause you weren't sure what he meant and by the time you turned he was half way to his target and you sitting there with a live one in the chamber pointing down range.
Andrew Leigh
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Stupid range rules are often a function of stupid people, example.
At my range one may have only one firearm on the bench and ONLY the ammunition for that firearm.
Reason, youngster brings a Streyr .270 to the range with a pile of old ammo he inherited from grandad. Youngster loads the mag, we discover later, with an assortment of .308, 7X57 and .270, apparently unable to see the difference. First round chambered is a .270, the second a 7X57. The rifle falls apart, he is hurt and the incident requires reporting to the authorities.
At my range one may have only one firearm on the bench and ONLY the ammunition for that firearm.
Reason, youngster brings a Streyr .270 to the range with a pile of old ammo he inherited from grandad. Youngster loads the mag, we discover later, with an assortment of .308, 7X57 and .270, apparently unable to see the difference. First round chambered is a .270, the second a 7X57. The rifle falls apart, he is hurt and the incident requires reporting to the authorities.
Sam1911
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If he can't tell the difference, how is he going to successfully voluntarily follow that rule?
It's great to have a rule, but there are compelling interests which dictate that one would already want very much NOT to do that thing. If he couldn't figure it out just from a desire to save the rifle and avoid injury, perhaps a club rule isn't really going to increase his safety.
It seems like a short step from having a rule that it is a violation of club bylaws to accidentally shoot yourself in the leg. You could have 37 rules about that, or none, and my interest in not accidentally shooting myself in the leg will be no greater or less.
Sometimes adding more rules does nothing for anyone.
45_auto
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Your range made this rule because of what the youngster did?
Your rule isn't going to prevent a repetition of the accident.
The youngster was under the impression that he had the correct ammo for his rifle. He didn't know any better.
I agree with you that stupid rules are a function of stupid people. The stupid people are the ones who made the rule thinking that it would solve the problem.
Andrew Leigh
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Ranges here are controlled by range officers who are absolute law. Range ettiquette is very strict bordering on the militant type management style.
I think that the stupidity lays in having a rule and not enforcing it. There are many newbs on the range and enforcement of well thought out rules is a form of training.
The Range officers now do an inspection when you arrive at your bench. You will be asked to remove all calibre's save for the one you are using and the range officer will varify that your ammunition is for the calibre you want to shoot and that no other ammo is around. This is a rifle range by the way.
So gentlemen I must respectfully disagree, and unenforced rule is a bad rule. Now, when a newb get's to the bench there are a few processes that are gone through. Safety issues, the one in question etc. at this time the range officer will educate the individual if required.
I think that the stupidity lays in having a rule and not enforcing it. There are many newbs on the range and enforcement of well thought out rules is a form of training.
The Range officers now do an inspection when you arrive at your bench. You will be asked to remove all calibre's save for the one you are using and the range officer will varify that your ammunition is for the calibre you want to shoot and that no other ammo is around. This is a rifle range by the way.
So gentlemen I must respectfully disagree, and unenforced rule is a bad rule. Now, when a newb get's to the bench there are a few processes that are gone through. Safety issues, the one in question etc. at this time the range officer will educate the individual if required.
Sam1911
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Ah ha, see range procedures may indeed be helpful. If the range procedure is to check out each shooter and make sure they've got the right gear, ammo, and know what they're doing -- and that procedure is followed -- then that can help people a great deal.
It had seemed as if your club simply made a rule, on paper so to speak, that made it a club violation to blow your rifle up. That's redundant (no one wants to blow their rifle up in the first place) and practically useless.
The rule, in this case, is actually that each shooter will be checked out and his equipment will be deemed safe and suitable before shooting. That's different and could be very effective.
(Of course, it is also a lot of responsibility and could even present legal liabilities, at least over here, if you vet someone as good to go and they end up injured due to an oversight on your part.)
It had seemed as if your club simply made a rule, on paper so to speak, that made it a club violation to blow your rifle up. That's redundant (no one wants to blow their rifle up in the first place) and practically useless.
The rule, in this case, is actually that each shooter will be checked out and his equipment will be deemed safe and suitable before shooting. That's different and could be very effective.
(Of course, it is also a lot of responsibility and could even present legal liabilities, at least over here, if you vet someone as good to go and they end up injured due to an oversight on your part.)
Jaxondog
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I really feel sorry for those of you that have to go to a public Range and put up with some "Range Officer" that want let you pic up your own fired casing's. That is unheard of. You are all welcome to come to my house and shoot whatever, as long as it's not me or my Dog.lol
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