Suggested MI Gun Buster Legislation...

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Businesses seem to want it both ways. They want to be able to deny legal carriers their right to carry on the premises of their businesses, but they also don't want to advertise that fact until it suits them. This creates many embarrassing situations for carriers when they enter a business, just to be told that they aren't welcome because of an unpublished policy that the business enforces. In Michigan, all that is required of businesses is "reasonable communication." That can be a sign, a warning from an employee who happens to see that you are carrying, or an entry in the employee handbook (for employees), but there is nothing that actually requires them to post a sign to notify you of anything before you enter their premises so that you know beforehand whether you actually want to do business with them - they can drop that little surprise on you whenever it suits them.

So I sent the following to one of the senators with whose office I have been working for quite a while to address firearms issues:


A bill to amend MCL 28.425 (Michigan's firearms code - added) by adding SUBSECTION P, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OF FIREARMS POLICY

28.425P Public notification of policy prohibiting the carry of firearms on premises; “premises” defined; presumption; violation; penalties; indemnity.

SEC. 5P

(1) Any commercial or non-profit entity enforcing a policy prohibiting the carry of firearms on their privately owned or operated premises shall conspicuously post notification of same. Said notification shall consist of signage that shall measure not less than 5”x7” and shall be affixed prominently at all exterior entrances of premises owned or operated by said commercial or non-profit entity.

(2) As used in subsection (1), "premises" does not include parking areas of the places identified under subsection (1).

(3) There shall be a presumption that any commercial or non-profit entity not conspicuously posting a notice of prohibition of firearms carry as required in subsection (1) permits firearms carry.

(4) Any commercial or non-profit entity enforcing a policy prohibiting the carry of firearms on their privately owned or operated premises without conspicuously posting notification of same as required in subsection (1) shall be guilty of a civil infraction, and shall be liable for costs incurred by law enforcement responding to a firearms carry related call of trespass.

(5) A legal firearms owner entering any commercial or non-profit entity enforcing a policy prohibiting the carry of firearms on their privately owned or operated premises without conspicuously posting notification of same as required in subsection (1) shall be indemnified with regard to a charge of trespass.

For years, businesses have had the upper hand, and all of the responsibility has fallen on the shoulders of legal carriers to know the policies of every business they enter, whether it has been posted or not. So businesses have been able to keep the carry community guessing.

That needs to stop.

The carry community has jumped through all of the hoops in order to exercise their Second Amendment right to carry; they have been fingerprinted, background checked, taught, tested - and they shelled out the money from their own pockets for the exercise of that right. They DESERVE to know if a business is anti-carry BEFORE THEY ENTER THE PREMISES. Turn about is fair play. And maybe it will also cause some businesses to actually stop and think about whether they truly want to advertise to bad guys that no one will be able to stop them.
 
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For years, businesses have had the upper hand, and all of the responsibility has fallen on the shoulders of legal carriers to know the policies of every business they enter, whether it has been posted or not. So businesses have been able to keep the carry community guessing.

This has really only apply to open carriers.

I don't want to get into the debate of whether or not you should abide by a businesses wishes or not, but if you're carrying concealed they first have to find out you're carrying, then ask you to leave. Only if you refuse is it trespassing.

As far as the proposed change, I personally don't agree with it. Many people believe that you should respect the businesses wishes, anyway.
 
As long as the signs do not hold force of law, and from you're proposed law they do not, then thats fine.

If I see the sign, I can still walk in (just like I do here in VA) but if they ask me to leave, I'll leave.

In contrast, Texas (of all places) has something called a 30.06 (Thirty-aught-six lol) sign that DOES hold the force of law. Entering a place posted with a 30.06 sign is like walking on an elementary school campus. Only God can help you if you're caught.
 
We can be fined 500 bucks in TN for certain signs. You have it much better in Michigan than we do in TN. I wish we could get our fined removed and carry past a sign could be like it is in Michigan.
 
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