Super Light Subgauges....

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This one was a 60s Beretta, 20 gauge O/U, and looked absolutely delicious. I met it and the owner at PGC, where he was shooting a bit of trap last weekend.

A Euro styled shotgun, this had stunning wood, two triggers like a field gun should,sling swivels(The Continentals have some realistic ideas about shotgunning, too bad their world view doesn't match) and 2 3/4" chambers. It looked new. It also had a leather "Leg of Mutton" case.

Asking permission, I checked the chambers,hefted it and noted it weighed less than Son's little NEF, around 5 1/2 lbs. The owner smiled like a used car salesman and said it was for sale. The price he named was about a grand too low, IMO.

Still, I didn't jump on it. Money's tight, but I've great plastic. The plain fact was I didn't need it. And the unspoken reason the guy was selling it was he didn't need it either.

Superlights are often touted as great upland guns by grouse and woodcock hunters, and those who find the hills steeper now than a few decades back. These carry very nicely. But, after toting the thing over hill and dale all day, one still has to SHOOT the thing, and I'd prefer something I'm more likely to HIT with.

With no barrel metal to create inertia, stopping the swing is as easy as giving away free beer. And the lighter weight means that 7/8 oz loads will kick like 1 oz loads do in a standard weight 20 gauge and 1 oz loads will kick too hard for comfort. This one was padless, and adding a pad would shift the weight further back, and it was muzzle light already.

Now some brush shotgunning is called poke and hope for a good reason, grouse hunters and others often operate in very short time frames on shot opportunities. Swing doesn't matter, just getting the shot cloud to the bird does.

Don't get me wrong,I had a friend that was deadly on preserve birds with a 28 gauge Superlight. The fact that he had great dogs that worked close helped. He freely admitted that he shot the little gun best when it was all he shot, lots of practice(there's that word again!) got him where he could take advantage of his dogs' style and get his shots within 25 yards. And some other folks I know shoot the miniatures and do OK. They all shoot a lot with the little things. Not that not all sub gauges are light, the Hull Elf's Ruger 28 s closer to 7 lbs than 6.

So, what's something like this good for?

It's a bit expensive for a kid's gun, but it'd work, assuming good fit and lighter loads.

For birds, anytime when lots of carrying and minimal shooting are SOP,and the quarry can be humanely taken with the lighter charges of shot. IOW, good for quail and grouse, not so great for waterhole doves.

For pixies, adults of small stature and build.

For oldsters that do not mind giving up some range, spread and effect. The smaller shot loads mean one uses tighter chokes than on a 12 gauge.

And for a toy. These things are lots of fun, though I recommend using them on clays first before trying them on anything that will suffer after a bad/light hit. The lighter weight affects timing as well as swing....
 
A lot of shooters have fallen victim to the siren song of a featherweight gun only to find they don't shoot them nearly as well.

As Dave noted, the only way to become proficient at shooting a light gun is to only shoot light guns. I have a 12 gauge sxs and a 20 gauge o/u that are 6.5 and 6.25lbs respectively while my target guns are between 8 and 9 lbs. The heavier guns are easier to shoot and the lighter guns are easier to carry. Finding the right mid point is the challenge.

When bird hunting season starts the target guns get used far less often as I recalibrate my muscle memory to a gun that is lighter, has an auto safety, twin triggers and horizontal barrels. Shooting a lighter gun requires more concentration on smoothness and maintaining a swing. After a few days on the clay fields I am usually shooting the lighter guns to the point where I will feel confident in the field.

But I want guns no lighter. I've tried 5lb 20 gauges and 12 gauges weighing under 6lbs and found that I couldn't hit much with them particularly if the barrels were short.

Paul
 
Thanks,Paul,your expertise is always appreciated.

The lightest shotgun I've shot extensively, besides the singles, was a French SxS. It came in at 6 lbs, 5 oz with 27" barrels. And it shot very nicely when I hadn't been shooting 9 lb plus "Serious" shotguns.

My guess is that for most folks,6 lbs is the least a shotgun should weigh,even subgauge upland/grouse/woodcock tools.YMMV....
 
cut down Rem 20 ga.

I bought a 20 ga. Remington 870 pump for use as a home defense gun. I cut the barrel back to short legal length with a pipe cutter (works well) and neatly cut the stock to a pistol grip. Never got around to shooting it that way.

When I tripped across a pair of small shotgun ranges about a quarter mile apart around exit 240 on I-55 in Illinois southwest of Chicago I went screaming abck the next week with my big bore almost unused ol' crotch hardware.

The Rem 20 had the stock neatly slid together and bolted up. The back slid up a bit because of the angle of the pistol grip cut. It turned out to be a nice cheekpiece. The barrel, around 6" shorter than what it used ta wuz, still had the ring inside the barrel from the pipe cutter. Surprisingly this thing worked well at primitive hand thrown trap and further shooting made me wonder how much difference a longer barrel would make for what I was doing. Likewise the ring began to shoot out from inside the barrel though a bit remains. I wonder if that didn't tighten the choke a bit.

I may even try to slide over a piece of tubing to see if that affects shooting qualities from the cut down barrel.
 
I use a fairly light 20ga autoloader almost exclusively for upland birds, about 6 1/2 pounds. For some reason I shoot this gun extremely well, and have from the first shot I took with it. It sure is nice to carry compared to my 8 pound and up guns and the gas action takes all of the nasty out of it. It is a good 40 yard gun not giving up much to a 12 in range. This gun is also my primary skeet gun.

My friend has a beautiful little Browning featherweight/ultralight gun in 20 O/U, IIRC it is about 5 1/2 pounds. It is just plain NASTY to shoot targets with, the recoil feels like 3" magnums out of a light 12ga fixed breech gun when shooting 1 ounce 2 3/4" game loads. It has 26" barrels so it is relatively easy to shoot for a featherweight but I consider it only useable for advanced shotgunners. I certainly would not hand it to an inexperienced shooter, it could very well end someones desire to shoot a shotgun again.

I do enjoy light shotguns and use them, but there is a lower limit for me and that is primarily indicated by recoil.
 
I would suggest that the problem is not with light shotguns. The issue that makes it hard to hit with a light shotgun is that the balance is all off.

Gun makers usually build super-light shotguns with short and very-light barrels. Yes, they are quick to get started, but, as pointed out here, also quick to stop.

Find a lightweight 20-gauge O/U with 30-inch barrels, and you have something to sing about.

I had a super-light 12-gauge S/S built (about 6 pounds), with 29-inch barrels. It's delightful.

I also have one of those Ithaca/SKB 20-gauge S/S "Quail Special" guns, with the 25-inch barrels. Feels wonderful. Carries great. But I couldn't hit my car with it, if I were INSIDE the car.

To my way of thinking, the problem is not with the weight, but the balance, and especially the barrels.

Just my 2 cents' worth.
 
I'm amazed to see this back up. I wrote it 2.5 years ago. Anyway....

H, your experience is similar to mine. 6.5 lb shotguns are shootable, less than 6 gets hinky quick.

Tom, Bruce Buck wrote something a while back about getting a 28 gauge Perazzi made up with 30" barrels for an Argentine trip. That sounds very good to me. Made on a 20 gauge frame, it's not superlight though.

When Churchill started marketing his XXV with 25" barrels in the early 19's he spent lots of time reducing the weight behind the balance point so they handled like the classic game guns, just a touch faster. It worked, lots of folks with good shotguns went and bought the Churchills.
 
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