Supreme Court on gun rights case

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Supreme Court sidesteps on gun rights case.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-12-01-court-guns_x.htm


Supreme Court sidesteps politically charged gun rights case
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court disappointed gun rights groups Monday, refusing to consider whether the Constitution guarantees people a personal right to own a gun.
The court has never said if the right to "keep and bear arms" applies to individuals.

Although the Bush administration has endorsed individual gun-ownership rights, it did not encourage the justices to resolve the issue in this case involving a challenge of California laws banning high-powered weapons.

Many other groups wanted the court to take the politically charged case, including the National Rife Association, the Pink Pistols, a group of gay and lesbian gun owners; the Second Amendment Sisters; Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws; and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

"Citizens need the Second Amendment for protection of their families, homes and businesses," lawyer Gary Gorski of Fair Oaks, Calif., wrote in the appeal filed on behalf of his rugby teammates and friends.

The challengers included a police SWAT officer, a Purple Heart recipient, a former Marine sniper, a parole officer, a stockbroker and others with varied political views.

Timothy Rieger, California's deputy attorney general, said the case involved regulations on "rapid-fire rifles and pistols that have been used on California's school grounds to kill children." Even if the challengers won, there are virtually identical national assault weapons restrictions passed by Congress, he told the court.

The Second Amendment says, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

A panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the amendment's intent was to protect gun rights of militias, not individuals. A more conservative appeals court in New Orleans has ruled that individuals have a constitutional right to guns.

Justices refused without comment to review the 9th Circuit decision.

One 9th Circuit judge, Alex Kozinski, said the panel was off-base and its "labored effort to smother the Second Amendment by sheer body weight has all the grace of a sumo wrestler trying to kill a rattlesnake by sitting on it — and is just as likely to succeed." He and some other judges had wanted to reverse the decision.

The decision was written by Judge Stephen Reinhardt, who said the Supreme Court's guidance on the meaning of the right to bear arms was "not entirely illuminating."

The high court's last major gun case was in 1939, when justices upheld a federal law prohibiting the interstate transport of sawed-off shotguns.

Daniel Schmutter of Paramus, N.J., representing Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, had told the justices in a filing that they should decide "once and for all" what protections gun owners have.

The case is Silveira v. Lockyer, 03-51.
 
The Second Amendment says, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

A panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the amendment's intent was to protect gun rights of militias, not individuals. A more conservative appeals court in New Orleans has ruled that individuals have a constitutional right to guns.

How can a judge or lawyer spout such UTTER NONSENSE??????

The bill of rights does not grant any rights to individuals.

The Bill of RIGHTS PROHIBITS THE GOVERNMENT FROM ENNACTING ANY LAW that infringes on the natural rights people already have.

The Bill of RIGHTS PROHIBITS THE GOVERNMENT FROM ENNACTING ANY LAW that infringes on the natural rights people already have.

The Bill of RIGHTS PROHIBITS THE GOVERNMENT FROM ENNACTING ANY LAW that infringes on the natural rights people already have.

If you ask the average well educated person the following:

True or False

The bill of rights ennumerates the rights granted to citizens by the government?


95% of the folks you ask will get it wrong and will answer true.

Very sad that most folks lack any basic understanding of the US Constitution.
 
A panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the amendment's intent was to protect gun rights of militias, not individuals.

"Who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers." -George Mason-

Too bad old George wasn't a Supreme Court Justice.

Too bad the present SCOTUS can't take into account the words, thoughts and desires of the Constitutional Convention's debates.

The decision was written by Judge Stephen Reinhardt, who said the Supreme Court's guidance on the meaning of the right to bear arms was "not entirely illuminating."

Right to bear arms??? ...what about... "keep and"...?
Too bad the 9th hasn't the intestional fortitude to wake up and smell the coffee.
Can't they read the Constitution as its written?

Guess not. Too much law getting in the way?

Adios
 
The decision was written by Judge Stephen Reinhardt, who said the Supreme Court's guidance on the meaning of the right to bear arms was "not entirely illuminating."

Baba-I agree that the meaning of the 2A is totally clear, but it Judge Reinhardt's comment to me sounds almost like he was asking SCOTUS to take the case-kind of "you weren't clear before, could you please be clear now."
 
One 9th Circuit judge, Alex Kozinski, said the panel was off-base and its "labored effort to smother the Second Amendment by sheer body weight has all the grace of a sumo wrestler trying to kill a rattlesnake by sitting on it — and is just as likely to succeed."

I have a hunch the Second Amendment is going to bite back.
 
Timothy Rieger, California's deputy attorney general, said the case involved regulations on "rapid-fire rifles and pistols that have been used on California's school grounds to kill children."
The law was written because a guy started firing a rifle from the window of his apartment across the street from a school; not "on California's school grounds to kill children". It does, however, sound much better when put that way; from the gun haters point of view.
 
I love my country, but this government can take a jump in the lake. I think it is utter madness that our natural rights are not properly recognized by the courts or government. The 2nd isn't an individual right? Poppycock. Why the sam hill did the FF establish a BOR then?
 
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