Surefire insanity

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dave3006

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Surefire = massively overpriced hype.

Think about it. Why would you pay $400 to put a light on your AR15? Or, $250 for a shotgun light? You would need to be on drugs to rationalize this.

Here is their whole plan. They sell hyped up toys to LE and the military and charge obscene prices because these products are being bought with taxpayer money that the users did not earn themselves earn. Then, joe wanna be tactical sees this and spends his money to be just like the pro's.

Massive profits.
 
There's probably some truth in that threoy just like AMG Hummers for the public but I have a surefire light that beats the heck out of my old maglight. The surefire is nowhere near as big, heavy and awkward as the mag and its ten times as bright. I only paid 65 for it and in the NRA mag you can get the NRA version I think for 75.
 
I'm with you on this one Dave3006. I think surefire is a good light, but I can't fathom spending big bucks on it. I'd rather spend more $ and have NVG myself and move with stealth. Flashlights are "shoot me" points.
 
I paid $30 for a basic Surefire (forgot model #), and thought I was paying too much, but it is very bright and durable. I guess it's worth it.

The weapon mounting systems are what I think are way overpriced. 50 bucks and up seems pretty high for a piece of plastic. I think I'm going to fabricate something on my own.
 
Surefire makes good stuff, unquestionably.

It's WAY overpriced, though, and way beyond its value.

Sure, "if it saves just one life", then its value to the saved person is incalculable, but that doesn't make the ridiculous overpricing sit very well with all of the rest of us who have purchased their products.
 
Surefire lights would have a more rational price if they weren't regarded as being so darned tactical. ;)
 
$250 for a shotgun light?
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I've made a surefire-classic style shotgun light, and at shop rate at the shop I worked at (70 an hour), the body alone would cost 140 dollars. I'm not all that fast, but the machine time on a manual is less expensive than a CNC.
 
Gee, I got my 6P mounted to my 870 for total about 50$. Half for the Sarco/Samco (?) holder, and half for the streamlight Weaver mount ring that slips under the magtube lock ring.
 
I like em

I only have one of the cheaper models a gl something or other.
It's super bright much handier then a maglight.

Sure they are expensive,but at least there is no background check and waiting period;)
 
IMHO: pricey, yes. Worth it, yes.

OK, allow me to 'splain

They are expensive, and I too wish they were less expensive by half. At least. But they are the same top quality the Gov't gets. They work. The craftsmanship and quality on those lights are fantastic, and the technology they use is impressive. That stuff all costs money.

Hey, at least they've got cheap 123 batteries... :)
 
Vic303: your surefire will fail with a very small amount of shooting. as it lacks a battery stop and doesn't have the shock absorbing bezel.


Each time you fire the shotgun, you slam the batteries into the lamp assembly,which slams the lamp assembly into the bezel window, ultimately causing the lamp assembly to fail.


There's a reason why surefire's weaponlights cost so much, and it's not just because they want to make money.
 
I have a surefire light that beats the heck out of my old maglight.
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Of course it does, that's apples and oranges. However, you can get a brighter Streamlight flashlight for less money that is just as solid.

brad cook
 
I spent $40 for the Surefire flashlight I own. I carry it every day, and it has more than paid for itself by working every singe time I use it. Sure, I could go to K-Mart and buy a $5 flashlight. But I seriously doubt it would last long being carried every single day, and there's no chance that it would be anywhere as bright.

I'm more than willing to drop a few extra bucks on something like that if it's robust enough to hold up to every day carrying and useage without breaking.
 
I'd like to see them much less costly but ..... have to admit, the standard of engineering is superb .. fit and finish ... extraordinary. An investment .. hopefully a one of ..... cos they should last.
 
Anybody remember what Mag lights cost 20 years ago?
About twice what they do now.
If you have to have one of the surefires, check out the $32 model.
 
"Why would you pay $400 to put a light on your AR15? Or, $250 for a shotgun light? You would need to be on drugs to rationalize this."

I have the top of the line Surefire light on my AR15. And I have a Surefire dedicated fore end on my shotgun.
Here is how it works. I get up every morning at 0415 and go to work. They pay me for this. I work a minimum of 56 hours a week (this is our regular work week and we don't get overtime for it). I try to work at least 48 hours of overtime a month. Every other Friday, I get a paycheck. And I can choose to spend it any damn way I want to, and I frankly couldn't care less what you think about it. I want it. That is all the rationalization I need.

As far as being on drugs, speak for yourself.
As far as their flashlights go, my LIFE may very well depend on my flashlight. Over the years I have carried many different flashlights and used them under all kinds of condtions. Now, I only buy the best: Surefire. When I am at work I have two on me at all times. When I am actually engaged in a firefighting operation, I have three.
 
Marketing hype Engineering Science=

Surefire. there is a lot of marketing hype with Surefire and many other products. But Surefire has a long really good history of really good engineering in both mechanical design and the Engineering Science of light. I don't think anyone can find a flashlight company that has invested more in the science of light and the mechanical Design and Engineering of combat flashlights. They are the standard that all other combat flashlights look up to and wish to be. You might pay a lot more for a Surefire combat product but in the end just how much is your life worth?

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2396431
 
I prefer my Streamlight over my Surefire. For the simple reason that my Surefire went out the first time it got exposed to a little rough treatment. It's a great light, comparable to the Streamlight. But it can't handle the abuse. If I were in a firefight. I don't want to worry about my light going out. Even though I'd have a backup, it would cost seconds to make the switch.
Don't get me wrong, Surefire is a great product. But they are way over priced. Of course, so are Streamlights. But, my Streamlight takes a lickin and keeps on, er, shining.
That said, I'm willing to give Surefire another try, and will probably buy another at some point. But I will not carry one into a combat situation until the durability issue is resolved. Until then, it's a general purpose/auto light, backed up by another Streamlight.
 
What Model Surefire?

Just what model of Surefire did you have? The M2 and M3 have shock mounted bulb Assys. They don't fail when subjected to abuse.
 
I have a Surefire 6P and G2, their two cheapest lights.

Both are very durable and bright, of course I don't subject them to any sort of torture. I'd say they're a bit overpriced, but the aluminum 6P is just so nifty looking that it's worth the $50 it cost me.
 
Z2 "Combatlight". It fell from about waist level, so say 3 feet onto asphalt.
I replaced the bulb and tried again, with the same result.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great little light. However, my similarly priced Streamlight Scorpion has proven to be more resistant to the rigors of use. I don't like the ergonomics as well, though.:(
 
If you dont like them.....dont buy them. INMO, you'd have to be on drugs not to want the best gear. :)

Call it Insanity or call it what you will. Those who use them appreciate the gear for what it is. I would sure as heck pay the money to have purpose built gear vs. a conversion kit to mount a light. The Surefire light systems are well thought out and engineered. That extra money you spend goes toward quality and RD.
 
Why would you pay $400 to put a light on your AR15?
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I agree. Why would you? :confused:

Streamlight M3 - $99
Streamlight AR15 handguard mount - $13

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