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Took that class last year. I have many years of training already under my belt, so I knew or had already been exposed to most of what was taught. Still, and instructor (like myself) can always benefit from taking classes.

Great class, I plan on taking more. Some people to not like TR, or the owner. To each his own.
 
Some people to not like TR, or the owner
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i don't think that they don't like him, i don't think most folks know him well enough to even say that...there's a lot of research out there

it's their attitude and that there are other schools that are better
 
Alright, I have to ask, is there something that has happened that I have missed in my research?
 
There may be better classes.............and there are worse classes.

You take the course, use what you think works for you..............then move on.
 
I work in manufacturing, and have for most of my adult life. I prefer not to use safety devices. Years ago, I would tell new folks that "Once this thing starts down, it don't come back up until it cycles through. So, if this machine pinches you, take a deep breath, stomp on the pedal, and get it over with." I told the guys that because that's what I, and everyone else, was told. In over 25 years, that machine hasn't claimed any fingers. The newer "safer and more efficient" CNCs have claimed a few though.

In his rebuttal video Yeager says he asked if his students ever saw the front sight as clear as they did in that instant, and they all said "no." I believe that. Fact of the matter is, when you're in more danger, you are more aware of the dangers around you, the dangers you pose, and are more focused on what you're doing.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not defending Yeager's actions, and I do disagree with them. However, I do understand where he's coming from, and even apply it in a way that doesn't involve putting someone between the firing line and the backstop...
 
i also understand where he is coming from, i'm sure that i'm very different from the first time i had gunfire coming towards me and the first time i considered shooting at a live target that was among other live non-shoots. but i don't recommend it as a way to "see the elephant"

it's his attitude about it that bothers me. his general dismissal, lack of concern and refusal to accept general responsibility when things don't go the way he wants...

like the 10k round Glock test where the only failures were when he was shooting...the other shooter wasn't having a problem...and he blamed the quality of the ammo.

even if you believe that the "bad" ammo was just "attracted" to him, would you really want to train with someone with such horrible karma ;)
 
I have trained there, as well as other school. Staying on the topic of Tactical Response, I took Fighting and Advanced Fighting pistol back in Sept 08. great classes, alot of mindset, and a great leagl brief, and overall alot more indepth than your normal "shooting" course and or schoo. i am also a member of www.getoffthex.com and i advise that if you are interested in training there that you hit up that forum lots of great info, also you can read aar's form past classes with pics and everything. i will try to find my aar from the 2 courses i took.

by the way i do plan on training there again, most likly when i get back form this deployment with my extra cash. i normally attend training right before and after deployments.
 
Tactical Response is not the only school that does the above, as well you are free to sit out any of the drills that you wish during the course. no one is made to do anything that they don't want too. they will tell you over and over again that you are free to sit out of any drill at anytime. by the way me and everyone in the class did every single drill and had no problem doing them.

In his rebuttal video Yeager says he asked if his students ever saw the front sight as clear as they did in that instant, and they all said "no." I believe that. Fact of the matter is, when you're in more danger, you are more aware of the dangers around you, the dangers you pose, and are more focused on what you're doing.
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this is true, the font sight was very clear in a few drills, more so than ever before in a training course. i have been there and done that and i can attest to that.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not defending Yeager's actions, and I do disagree with them. However, I do understand where he's coming from, and even apply it in a way that doesn't involve putting someone between the firing line and the backstop...
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the main point that he is trying to drive home is mindest and the precived penalty for a miss. i have been in other classes that drill you on precieved penalty of a miss but without having anyone down range. is it the training value the same? no however you have to weight the risk vs training value of each and everything that you teach.

he is also wanting you to be exposed to the fact that there are gonna be inocent people around in a fight, and he would rather you be exposed to that in a controlled enviornment for the first time instead of in a fight for your life the first time.

i am not defending and or agreeing with him, i am just stating the facts and the intentions of the school and the owner. i have trained there, and if anyone has any questions feel free to ask, either here or offline, i will be more than happy to help.
 
like the 10k round Glock test where the only failures were when he was shooting...the other shooter wasn't having a problem...and he blamed the quality of the ammo.
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i was there when that was tapped(alumni training weekend 2008). it was a 1k test not 10k. the other shooter was an instructor by the name of Sherman House.

was the ammo really bad? i can't say for sure. however i can attest to the fact that at one point during one of the courses that i took, i had to use one of the instructors glock 19's, i had to put three rounds in the chest box of the traget, it went like this click, bang, click, bang, click, click bang. i thought that they had put inert rounds in there like that to re enforce the mindset and test you ability to clear malfunctions which is something that we had done alot in the 4 days of training. however that wasn't the case at all, the batch of ammo that was being used in said instructors glock was the same as was used in filming the video.
 
i appreciate the input from someone who was there.

as i said before, the issues i have are with his attitude and not their training per se...the other things i understand (creditable source) that sway my opinion would be OT and really not something for THR anyway
 
In his rebuttal video Yeager says he asked if his students ever saw the front sight as clear as they did in that instant, and they all said "no." I believe that. Fact of the matter is, when you're in more danger, you are more aware of the dangers around you, the dangers you pose, and are more focused on what you're doing.
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Well, they may have been "focussed" on a lot of things, like the woman who does the casting fishing pole draw just a few seconds in, or the guy in black with the khaki cap that has an awkward mag change and looks to almost topple over to his right (at 20 seconds).

the main point that he is trying to drive home is mindest and the precived penalty for a miss.
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Yep, and a penalty for a miss for that photographer could have been injury or death and it would not be a perceived penalty, but a very real one.
 
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