Taking a Wheelgun to training

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I am considering taking Randy Cain's Tactical Handgun 101 -- a 3 day intense training session at Southern Exposure in Florida.

Anyone taken this course (or something similar) with a wheelgun? Did you regret it? Could you keep up with the bottom feeders?
 
I've taken a wheelgun to several tactical courses. M y girlfriend took the Randy Cain course and loved it by the way.

First thing to do is make sure that the instructor permits revolvers. Some do not- my guess is they themselves are not wheelgunners so they decide stick with what they know.

Second thing is to bring more than one wheelgun if you have it. Wheelies don't break much but when they do they break badly.

Third is to tighten the sideplate screws every couple of hours. I've seen qutie a few guys shoot so much in a class the vibrations from firing back out their screws and the cylinder drops out. that or the gun locks up.

Fourth is to bring a lot of speedloaderes, about 8 or 10 at least. They don't survive getting stepped on well and when the class does some shooting and scooting, someone is going to step on at least one of yours.

As far as keeping up with the auto shooters, you may or may not be able to. You will however, have some very handy hands on training on how to get the revolver working and keep it working. That is pretty good stuff.

Ted
 
You get fewer shots, so make them count. If shooting while moving, unlike an automatic where you can whack out six shots at the "bad guy" while moving and still have four to nine plus left, with a wheelgun, I'd fire two while moving, maybe three (hopefully hitting the target) leaving you with two or three left.


Get used to topping off the gun with a couple spare rounds, and get real used to your speedloaders. I've always used HKS's in my wheelguns and they've never let me down, though I think it's the Safariland Comp II? That's springloaded, supposedly works very well, very quick.

I'm not a wheelgunner any longer, but you can generally keep up with an auto if you're good and fast on the reloads, and make your rounds count. I remember a pair of gunwriters (Gary Paul Johnston and someone else I think it was) ran a pair of wheelguns through one of the combat pistol courses just for the heck of it, and they actually came off pretty well. Not No.1 and 2 of course, but they held their own due to shooter skill against the 1911s and Glocks.
 
I've seen some very good revolver shooters beat others shooting autos. If you use speed loaders and practice, you can do very well in a class.
 
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I've taken Randy's Tactical Handgun 101 class and it is EXCELLENT. I can't really answer your questions because neither I nor anyone else in my class used a sixgun (I used a 1911 and everyone else used Glocks and HKs). Email Randy and see what he thinks. He's a great guy and will respond to your questions.

I think Randy is also teaching a two-day Tactical Revolver class at Southern Exposure in Lakeland later this year. You might want to take this class instead as it will be focused entirely on the revolver rather than the semi-auto.
 
Alfadog,

I considered the Tactical Revolver, but they suggested the 101 may be a better course for me, having not taken a multi-day course before. Also, the Tactical Revolver course dates are not good for me.

Randy said I *could* take 101 with a wheelgun, but may have some trouble keeping up.

I also have a Glock 19 I could shoot.

What else can you tell me about 101? Any helpful hints?
 
The enphasis is on fundamentals. You will be amazed at how much Randy's instruction will help you. He will analyze your technique and point out what areas you need to concentrate on. Randy is more of a coach type instructor than a drill instructor type.

I would tend to agree that the three day course is about ideal for a serious class. I've taken one day classes at another school and they don't allow enough repititions to really improve your shooting.

Randy teaches the Modern Technique following Cooper/Gunsite doctrine in most respects. (Note--I haven't taken a Gunsite class so I don't purport to compare the course I took at Southern Exposure to Gunsite in any way.) You may want to pick up Greg Morrison's book The Modern Technique of the Pistol as a "study guide" to familiarize yourself with the techniques that will be taught. The book is a bit dated relative to what Randy teaches but is a good starting point.

Irv Lehman, who organizes classes at Southern Exposure, and Joe Seybold, the owner of the range, are great guys. (Irv's wife is a hell of a shooter, too.) My class was very small but full of really nice folks. I enjoyed socializing almost as much as the class itself.

Wear cargo pants or shorts. You will need to carry lots of mags/speedloaders and ammo with you to the line and that is the most convenient way to do it. I used a 1911 with 6 mags and got down the last few rounds in my last mag a few times.

When you're not shooting, you should be loading. Load your mags/speedloaders whenever your gun is in your holster.

Make sure your holster and belt will be comfortable enough to wear all day.

USE HIGH QUALITY FACTORY AMMO. Don't bring reloads or cheap foreign junk. One shooter in my class spent half the class trying to figure out why his Glocks weren't running right. He was using lightly loaded handloads. He also had a bullet from one of his reloads pop out of the case when it was chambered and lodge in the barrel. Fortunately, he realized what happend as he was performing a malfunction clearance and didn't fire the round he chambered after it and blow the gun.

Bring a gun that works. In the classes I have taken, 1911s have worked, Glocks have worked, SIGs have worked, and HKs have worked. I've seen Berettas, Walthers, and S&Ws (P99s) crap the bed (usually within the first two hours of the class). Never had a revolver shooter in one of my classes so can't comment about what works in that department.

Make sure your gun can go at least 600 rounds without a cleaning. If it won't, you'll need to plan on cleaning after each day's class. Keep in mind that the night shoot ends at about 10:00 on the second day of class. You will be tired at the end of the day and probably won't feel like taking the time to clean your weapon (especially if you are driving from the range back to Tampa each night).

DO plan on cleaning your mags. You will be dropping them in the dirt and they will need it. (I think this is the single biggest reason people have trouble with usually reliable guns in training classes--they usually drop their mags in the dirt for the first time and then reload them and stick them back in the gun. Instant jammamatic.)


Hope that helps. Email or pm me if you wish to discuss further.
 
Regardless of which the class is geared to, I would bring the gun you carry to the class. If that is the revolver, then so be it.

I suspect being challenged in that setting may well bring out your best. Might be worth doing.

ted
 
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