Taking the Ladies to the Range

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My son takes his .45 to an indoor range at a local gun shop. One day the little woman went with him. Too much gun for her, but while she was there, she learned that the shop had lessons for women. They get 5 hours of instruction, forget what the fee is, but it's not much. All being taught by a woman. And I like that idea, rather not have some other guy ogling my wife. Now here's the good part - she's taking the class with one of her girl friends. Now I have a pleasant dilemma to deal with: do I send her off with my HK P2000, or a Smith and Wesson Detective Special in .38?
 
Both.

Range near where I moved from had "PMS Thursdays" where women had range fees waved. They also offered instruction. On Mondays they had "Manopause Mondays" so as not to seem sexist.
 
We have a local range/store that was pretty much started because most of the local ranges and stores all bit ignored women. The Owner's wife is a certified instructor and teaches women-only CHCL classes and plans to add others (they're still fairly new).

I think it's a great idea as a lot of women prefer a woman teaching them and, unfortunately, a lot of men are pretty sorry teachers when it comes to women students.
 
We offer women's only basic pistol instruction over a two night course a couple of times per year. The ladies shoot a wide variety of provided guns and calibers. They also shoot in a police simulator. Good fun.

Our graduates frequently show up in groups for a Saturday shoots. One of them now owns 14 handguns and last week she brought 9 ladies with her. Another one cried the first night of class as she was totally fearful of handguns. She is now a certified pistol instructor.
I am very proud of our ladies. They are strong, confident, safe, and skilled shooters.
 
Some of the lady shooters in my local USPSA matches shot circles around us guy shooters in Open/Limited divisions. When other shooters brought their wives/girlfriends to the matches and saw other ladies shoot, it encouraged them to join match shooting (and the quality of snacks/food really improved too! :D)

Both my wife and sister shoot 40S&W and it's a joy to watch them share with their female friends gunshy about recoil and loud noise how the recoil is manageable shooting Glocks/M&Ps with proper grip/stance. Ladies with really small hands are shown M&P40/45 with small grip insert and they find the grips fit their hands well.

I trained most of female coworkers I work with in my office and many got carry permits too. Some days, our talk around the water cooler in the breakroom is about guns and our next range trip. Some of them are vegetarian/vegan and liberals but when crime rates increased over the years, they all became supporters of 2nd amendment rights and now are adamant defenders of guns. Who knew! :rolleyes::D

Now my 14 year old daughter is getting her friends joining our range trips with their parents' permissions and guess what? Yup, we are getting their moms excited about shooting!
 
Hotajax,

We have searched for a ideal self- defense gun for my wife for many a year. She can not rack the slide on a semi-auto and has problems with S&W / Taurus double action revolvers. She is deadly with single action Rugers but decocking under stress creates concern.

I assume by Smith & Wesson Detective Special you actually mean the 5 shot S&W J-frame Chiefs Special. This gun is one of hardest guns too master and is a poor choice for beginners. A lot of people choose it due to it's small size.

There are a lot of semi-autos to choose from if she can operate it. My gun runner, er gun salesperson daughter choose a Ruger SR9C which I happen to love also.

In my wife's case we found a nice used Colt Police Positive Special that fits her to a T. Slightly smaller and lighter than K-frame S&W Model 10 but holds 6 rounds of 38 Special the V spring double action is smoother and lighter than S&W.

The COLT Detective Special is the short barel version of the PPS. Alas Colt revolvers are no longer made. You might consider letting her take the class and letting her make her choice based on it.
 
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Hotajax; A lot of indoor ranges, at least here in our area, also have handguns to rent. Maybe she can look at choosing something that she likes after handling several options, and take the lessons with that.;)
 
My own experience suggests that anyone who wants to buy a gun should go to a number of gun stores on their own to look and handle firearms. Its not to hard to find what fits and what does not.
 
Everything you got since there's no assurance that either of those are an actual fit for her (or for your son for that matter).

Any new shooter should find out what the best fit for them is. Fit isn't based on caliber (or any of the myths about what women "should" shoot), but on grip angle, reach to trigger, grip width and depth.

My wife can shoot anything, but she'd remarkable with a CZ-75 (as are 3 other friends). Another friends is remarkable with a standard 1911, but she'll shoot anything adequately. Another shoots a wide body 1911. The fit determines how easily accurate hits can be made, how recoil is managed, and ultimately how enjoyable shooting in for the new shooter.
 
I'm with a group of instructors putting on a monthly NRA Basic Handgun class. Probably 80% to 90% of our students had never touched a real gun before. Our class enrollment run 20% to 40% female. We have students of all ages from early 20s to us more seasoned types. We've had entire families attend together. Most of our student show varying levels of anxiety at handling real guns.

We try to address this by bringing them through the course material in a step-by-step, measured and supportive way.

In addition to the core lectures, we do a lot of "hands-on" work with the students. The students handle a variety of revolvers and semi-autos under direct supervision, one-on-one, of an instructor. They use dummy rounds to load and unload the guns, dry fire and generally learn how things work and feel, and they get continual safety reinforcement.

These initial hands-on exercises help students get familiar with handling gun and lay a foundation for safe gun handling habits. The students begin to realize that although guns can be dangerous they can learn how to handle them safely and that safety is in their hands.

Then in preparation for live fire, and after the "marksmanship" lecture, we work one-on-one with students on grip and stance using "blue" inert training guns.

Before going to live fire with .22s, the students shoot airsoft (the quality type) in the classroom so they can get a feel for sight alignment and trigger control (and reset) without the noise and intimidation factor (for beginners) of firing real ammunition.

After the students fire their 25 rounds of .22 (working one-on-one with an instructor), we put out a variety of guns from 9mm to .44 Magnum so the students can get the experience of firing the larger calibers. Shooting the centerfire guns is at each student's option. Most fire them all, but some choose not to.

When someone has gone through our program, it's not uncommon for her/him to be shooting 1.5 to 2.0 inch groups at seven yards with the heavy calibers.

"Hands-on" (with dummy ammunition)

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"Blue Gun"


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"Airsoft"


"Live Fire"


 
My wife cannot rack a slide on anything, so we got her a revolver.

Until this week.

I bought an aftermarket 'handle' that attaches to the grooves at the back of a Glock slide, from Brass Stacker.

Now she can rack that slide.
 
For several years now I've been teaching women to shoot (home range).

It started out with a friend's daughter and her friend, then a neighbor lady who told other ladies.

I enjoy teaching women. They pay attention and learn fast.
Sometimes it can lead to situations, like the lady outshooting her husband after shooting 2-3 days, when her husband has been shooting for years. :D

Also I try to keep it interesting by introducing new guns and stuff as fast as the ladies can handle it.

She liked my new KSG shotgun.
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The target is that 1 foot square white plate. (52 yards).
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I told the girls, "You are making this shooting stuff look to easy. Now you must shoot left (weak) handed for a while." :)
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For the ladies, I recommend 'A Girl and a Gun,' wife loves it. BSA, there are different techniques that can help with racking a slide.
OP, let her try every gun you own or can beg or borrow. Never know what women will like. Wife had to have a sigp238 after renting one because it was so small. A few months later she has appropriated my buckmark so she 'can shoot the little metal targets that go ding"
Daughter likes a 19-5 with light wadcutter loads and a Police Positive Special. But she 'liked' 3 others before deciding that these 2 were hers. If I bring another revolver home she may change her mind again on the PPS.
Son I just got a Ruger p89, and he has been happy with it for 6 years.
 
My son takes his .45 to an indoor range at a local gun shop. One day the little woman went with him. Too much gun for her, but while she was there, she learned that the shop had lessons for women. They get 5 hours of instruction, forget what the fee is, but it's not much. All being taught by a woman. And I like that idea, rather not have some other guy ogling my wife. Now here's the good part - she's taking the class with one of her girl friends. Now I have a pleasant dilemma to deal with: do I send her off with my HK P2000, or a Smith and Wesson Detective Special in .38?

Neither...except as a temporary measure.

You find something SHE likes and gift it to her. ;)

My wife is getting a blued Walther PPK/S in .380 for her birthday. Doesn't know it yet. It's something SHE wants...and it'll be HERS. There's pride in ownership, and respect for someone who will honor that.

Soooo...start saving up the bucks to shell out for a baby of her own, buddy!

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For the ladies, I recommend 'A Girl and a Gun,' wife loves it. BSA, there are different techniques that can help with racking a slide.

We have discussed this issue many times but why is so hard for men to accept the fact that for civilians (and for a lot of LEO's) a revolver is a time tested proven self-defense weapon?

It may have something to do with the fact that men do not understand that women have less upper body strength than men.

It may have something that men do not understand physical and medical issues make revolvers a better choice.

It may have something to do that many of today's younger men that push semi-auto as the only choice for self-defense have not even shot a revolver, let alone how to even open the cylinder.

It may have something to do that TV shows and movies the actors and video games all use semi-autos with unlimited rounds fired.

It may have something to do with all of "experts" on TV, You tube and that run their shooting schools to promote why their technique will make you a master gunfighter that will survive any situation.

Yet real life experiences prove time and time again that well placed hits are needed to stop a determined attacker.

And this same real life experiences prove time and time again that a resolute person with a revolver will win.

I bring all of this up as I think Frank's idea of women teaching women is a outstanding idea. My gun club hosts a Women on Target program once a year and our experience is the same as Franks. Women as a group are better students and learn marksmanship faster then men
 
I have to second BSA1's Women on Target suggestion. Our local club hosts 2 of these events a year, and we average 40-50 women per event. We take them out all day on a Saturday and spend a session each on rifle, pistol, shotgun, archery, and usually some sort of self-defense/survival class. We provide all of the equipment/weapons, ammo, and lunch, and usually have some "goodies" donated by NRA and local merchants. We try to expose them to as many different types of firearms and other equipment as we can. It's not as "in depth" as Frank Ettin's classes, or even a basic CHL class, but we spend an hour or two going over basics and safety for each type of weapon (and shooting, of course), and mainly just help with the "fear factor" some women have. In the couple of years I've been helping with these I've never seen a woman come away from a WOT session with anything less than positive to say. And it's a hoot for most of us, too! I just with we had more female instructors and RSO's available, but we're working on that, too....
 
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I took my 15 year old daughter to the gun shop to buy a gun she felt comfortable with after she had shot 22's and 38's rented from the range. I was thinking she would look at a small revolver or something that is "easy to handle". We went out with a GP161 6" Ruger. She loved it then and it is still her favorite fun gun years later. I guess the best would be to let her select after trying a couple of models.
 
I'm all for the "graduating" approach: buy low, sell high. Started both my wife and kids on 22, then 380, then 9, then 38 (they rest on the one or two with which they're most comfortable - they never got to 40, 357 or 45). They shoot what they shoot well, as do I - but they're not me…

As my kids get older, it gets more interesting of course. My wife settled at 38 - good enough for me when I'm traveling and worried about them home alone. At least they all shoot.
 
We have discussed this issue many times but why is so hard for men to accept the fact that for civilians (and for a lot of LEO's) a revolver is a time tested proven self-defense weapon?

I actually see the opposite issue much more often as I work at a LGS. IMHO, the Airweight J frames have probably turned off more ladies (due to badly informed guys) to shooting than any other handgun. Not just the recoil, but the 12 pound trigger on a one pound revolver is tough to train up on.
 
We have discussed this issue many times but why is so hard for men to accept the fact that for civilians (and for a lot of LEO's) a revolver is a time tested proven self-defense weapon?
The problem is as soon as the person becomes aware of the revolvers shortcomings, for example only holding 5-6 rounds and being slow to reload, they want a semi auto instead.

Personally, I have new shooters learn to use the revolver early on but almost all of them end up choosing a semi auto.

A hour and a half before this picture was taken, this new shooter had never touched a gun before, but here she is shooting a revolver while on the move and putting almost all the shots COM.
Next day the girl was using a 1911 45.

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Just out of curiosity...

With over a century of history behind the semi-automatic pistol, which goes back at least as far as 1893 with the Borchardt C-93 (which itself was only the first commercially successful semi-auto handgun produced, after the 1883 introduction of Hiram Maxim's recoil machinegun) why would the semi-automatic pistol ALSO not be considered a "time tested proven self-defense weapon"?

The Colt SAA only goes back an additional 20 years from that and the first American cartridge pistol was a S&W revolver chambered for a .22 rimfire in 1857, only 33 years earlier.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/early_metallic_cartridges.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol#History
 
As an instructor, the absolute worst part about teaching women to shoot is when their husbands come along.
 
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