Tammy Bruce Nonsense

[Kim]

Tammy Bruce is not stupid. Her books are also pretty good. She can make liberals skin crawl cause she was a BIG insider(I believe President in Los Angelas or some such place with NOW for years and she has written about how she left because it was so obviously just a machine for the Democratic party(They practually worked out of the same office space). Very interesting stories she has told. Do I agree with her on everything no and abortion is one of those. But I would much rather live in a libertarian world than a liberal, conservative one,Democratic or Republician one. At least we could have a leave me alone government. By the way she is bisexual. She prefers women. Has to do with prior abuse or some such she says.

 

[mnrivrat]

Perhaps the skill to criticise sometimes has its finger on a light trigger .

 

[Zangetsu]

Here's the thing about that picture...it wasn't a candid snap of her on a range, handling a weapon. It was shot in a studio, and probably with a fake gun. I'd say the "trigger Nazis" are a bit outta line here, taking the picture out of context and completely ignoring the artistic qualities behind it. It's silly to get pissed off about people shown in fantasy environments not practicing safe handling because it's fantasy. If it was a video of her going about her life and then doing something dangerous, then they'd be in the right. That being said, after reading what she wrote, she strikes me as an temperamental, ineloquent idiot with a persecution complex who thrives on negative reinforcement; all she really wants is a hug

 

[CajunBass]

I don't know who Tammy Bruce is. Never heard of her until this thread. I don't really care if she has a picture on her website of her with her finger on the trigger either. It's a picture.

What I have noticed and commented to my wife about the other day is when I pick up a semi-auto pistol, a rifle, or a shotgun, my finger stays off the trigger, but for some reason, when I pick up a D/A revolver, which I haven't used for years, until recently, my finger goes right to the trigger. Old/bad habit from the "old days" I suppose. Perhaps just something about the feel of the grip that triggers an old muscle memory. I actually have to make myself keep my finger off and it really feels strange.

 

[ravencon]

Never heard of her. Don't care how she poses in publicity photos.

If she in fact thinks John Bolton, the neo-con chickenhawk, is a true conservative then she is insane. Lot of that going around.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

As other poster have said, it is theorectically possible that a weapon can be unloaded, how would you even clean you gun then?

 

[TexasRifleman]

As other poster have said, it is theorectically possible that a weapon can be unloaded, how would you even clean you gun then?

Agreed... some are taking the 4 rules a bit too far.....

They are designed to be 4 layers of security; if you happen to break one rule the other 3 protect you from disaster or at least mitigate it.

That's why there's not just one.

Violating one rule, intentionally, for a photo or training or gun cleaning is just part of dealing with firearms.

Being mature enough to not freak out just because someone has their picture taken with a finger on the trigger is apparently the hard part.

 

[XDKingslayer]

It's a picture...

UNCLENCH!

 

[docwatson]

She has quite an ecclectic view of things and promotes "authentic conservatism" etc. Basically she hates everybody but John Bolton.

His music is terrible! Does this woman have any redeeming qualities?

 

[KarenTOC]

This newbie hasn't quite figured out all the acronyms yet. While I understand the context in which "ND" appears - what, I ask, do the letters stand for? thanks

 

[TexasRifleman]

ND" appears - what, I ask, do the letters stand for?

Negligent Discharge.

Some call them an "Accidental Discharge" but then you get the word argument about whether it was an "accident" or "negligence".

Basically gun go boom when you not want gun go boom , regardless of the reason (short of genuine mechanical failure).

 

[KarenTOC]

Thanks TexasRifleman!

 

[Jeff White]

Interesting thread. It tells a lot about the membership here. Apparently, if you are an attractive woman with the correct political views and live an exotic sexual lifestyle, it's ok to publically set a poor example of gun ownership.

I don't see the picture as an in your face response to the antis. I see it as an in your face example of incompetent gun handling. This was not a staged photo of MS Bruce preparing to shoot. It is an example of an activist who hasn't had (or didn't learn) the most basic safety rules for handling firearms.

Quite frankly she comes off as someone who doesn't know the first thing about handling a firearm. It makes me feel that the firearm was just a prop for her and she doesn't really know the first thing about them.

I'm sorry but I tend to judge people's level of training and competence by how they handle their weapons. MS Bruce didn't get a passing grade based on that picture.

Jeff

 

[TexasRifleman]

I see it as an in your face example of incompetent gun handling. This was not a staged photo of MS Bruce preparing to shoot.

So you are saying that when Oleg does it it's OK because the models are "pretending to have a target" but in these photos, since the model is not pretending to actually have a target that there is a day and night difference? One photo is artful and an empowering message for women and the other is incompetence based solely on what the gun is pointed at?

 

[Jeff White]

So you are saying that when Oleg does it it's OK because the models are "pretending to have a target" but in these photos, since the model is not pretending to actually have a target that there is a day and night difference?

That is exactly what I'm saying. In Oleg's photos the model is demonstrating her competence with the weapon and that leaves people with the impression that she is self sufficient and knows how to use it. MS Bruce's photo on the other hand demonstrates that she hasn't got even a basic understanding of gun handling and that makes me think that she's not confident, self sufficient or capable of using the weapon. It gives me the impression that the revolver is a prop that she picked up in order to make a point, not a tool that she is familiar and competent with.

Years of experience instructing on the range has taught me that those impressions are rarely wrong. To put it in simple terms, people who know what they are doing with a firearm don't put their finger in the trigger guard until they are ready to shoot. It is an unconscious thing. It's what they do automatically when they handle a weapon. It's the people who have no more experience with firearms then what Hollywood has taught them who automatically put their finger on the trigger.

I suppose that most of her audience are not shooters and probably won't know the difference. But that's no reason for us to embrace a public display of unsafe and irresponsible gun handling...even if she is on our side in a political fight.

Jeff

 

[Thernlund]

So you are saying that when Oleg does it it's OK because the models are "pretending to have a target" but in these photos, since the model is not pretending to actually have a target that there is a day and night difference?

That is exactly what I'm saying.

That's just hilarious.

Both photos are studio poses. They are not different in any regard.

You all crack me up with this jackassery.


-T.


EDIT: And... I suppose the model in Oleg's photo was absolutely ready to shoot the camera. For real. Or maybe she was posing so as to illustrate a point, hmmmm? Maybe Ms. Bruce was doing the same, hmmmm? Hard core talk show host drawing a parallel between her mouth and that gun. She's ready to fire... words. Hmmmm?

Maybe you don't actually know, Jeff, what went into making that photo, hmmmm? Maybe it's just a picture.

 

[Jeff White]

Both photos are studio poses. They are not different in regard.

Yes they are, and they are both intended to depict a woman who is competent with firearms. Oleg's photos do, MS Bruce's doesn't...it's as simple as that. Her message loses some of it's impact because the studio pose does not depict a woman who knows how to properly handle a firearm.

Jeff

 

[Thernlund]

Uh-huh.


-T.

 

[kwelz]

Thern I would not quite be so rude about it but I do see a good bit of bias here. That it is ok if one of our own does it but not if someone else does.

I have had photos taken with my finger on the trigger. The guns were check, double checked, and checked again to make sure they were safe. People are just assuming she grabbed a gun out of her purse and posed. I am willing to bet a good bit of ammo that this is NOT the case.

 

[HoosierQ]

FWIW...I had seen that picture many times and frankly thought little of it. It was the way that she responded to what was pretty much constructive criticizm from someone more observant than myself that prompted my use of the word "nonsense". She just can't seem to get over having been criticized. She is so strident in the pro-2nd/RKBA camp that we need her visibility to the masses. I fear she will alienate a lot of people...not with the picture...but with her wacky reaction to the criticism. She is one of us but she sure has throw a fit here. That's all.

 

[GEM]

If you google image Anne Coulter gun - you will see her tough guy pose at the range with NO eye protection and I think thumbs crossed in back of a Beretta 92. Finger on the trigger with someone down range - unless it is a remote camera.

FYI

 

[Weezy]

Oleg's models never have their fingers on the triggers if they are merely holding the gun (next to their heads) in a lackadaisical fashion.

 

[Thernlund]

Thern I would not quite be so rude...

My intent was poignancy, not rudeness.

My apologies.


-T.

 

[Jeff White]

Then it's ok with everyone if we just start deleting threads where members complain about poor gun handling in Hollywood and on TV? After all the guns are unloaded and it's in a perfectly safe studio setting.

Jeff

 

[Thernlund]

Then it's ok with everyone if we just start deleting threads where members complain about poor gun handling in Hollywood and on TV?

Who said anything about deleteing threads?

After all the guns are unloaded and it's in a perfectly safe studio setting.

Pretty much. Verified unloaded = safe. More to the point, actually unloaded = safe. Unless someone throws it at you. That could hurt.


-T.