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Just wanted to show some pictures from the local Tank Museum in Rosemead CA. they have a lot of Tanks i just snapped a few. I took my son there today.
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Number 121 is a 16" projectile from Iowa Class Battleships
Japanese Tank. I bet there are only a small handfull of these in existence
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thanks for the pictures
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Question: what was the benefit of the half-tracs? Off-the-road traction? Were they better in the mud/sand/snow than reguler Deuce & a halfs?
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Do you know what gun shot that round marked "121"?
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Yep i was waiting for someone to ask that. Number 121 is a 16" projectile from Iowa Class Battleships
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Halftracks were used to move troops kinda early armored style. then some half tracks carried a huge howitzer. The early sherman tanks were no match for Tigers and Panzers. You would be really happy if there was a half track near by with a howiter on top.
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The picture with the half track left of it is a russian mock up tank. I guess used to fake the U.S there was a vehicle underneath it. mostly tin can sheet metal and wood
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"...what gun shot that round marked "121..." Might be a 155 howitzer or an 8" arty projectile. Hard to tell from the picture. Your whole head will fit in the breech of an M109's 155mm gun. An M109 isn't a tank though. SP Arty.
"...Were they better in the mud/sand/snow than regular Deuce & a halfs?..." Yep. Wheels don't do well in mud, sand and snow. Half-tracks had light armour too. Mechanised infantry vehicles and wheeled arty tow vehicles.
"...early Sherman tanks were no match for Tigers and Panzers..." 'Panzer' is the German word for 'tank'. No Sherman was a match for a Tiger or Panther. The M4 tank was obsolete, by 1944. Armour was too thin. Even a Firefly(Sherman with a 90mm gun. Not used by the U.S.) would get swatted by a Tiger or Panther, if the Firefly didn't shoot first. They were even with Mk III and Mk IV Panzers. They weren't called Tommy Cookers and Ronsons for nothing. Fortunately, there weren't many Tigers or Panthers and neither were unreliable.
Stupid thing is that there was a better tank ready to be made that would have been able to tangle with a Tiger, but Patton said it wasn't needed. He thought tanks were for getting into the enemy rear and blowing stuff up, not for fighting enemy tanks. A lot of armoured troppies died because of him.
If any of ya'll ever get to the Toronto area, the CFB Borden Armoured Museum is worth the 45 minute or so drive. Nobody ever says, "Don't climb on the tanks." German, Allied (both wars) and post war plus assorted crew served MG's and arty, outside, you can pet. The Small Arms Museum is open Sunday afternoon, is free and has one of the German 'shoot around corners' rifles, et al. Aircraft as well. There's a CF5A you can pet. Can't climb on it though.
"...Were they better in the mud/sand/snow than regular Deuce & a halfs?..." Yep. Wheels don't do well in mud, sand and snow. Half-tracks had light armour too. Mechanised infantry vehicles and wheeled arty tow vehicles.
"...early Sherman tanks were no match for Tigers and Panzers..." 'Panzer' is the German word for 'tank'. No Sherman was a match for a Tiger or Panther. The M4 tank was obsolete, by 1944. Armour was too thin. Even a Firefly(Sherman with a 90mm gun. Not used by the U.S.) would get swatted by a Tiger or Panther, if the Firefly didn't shoot first. They were even with Mk III and Mk IV Panzers. They weren't called Tommy Cookers and Ronsons for nothing. Fortunately, there weren't many Tigers or Panthers and neither were unreliable.
Stupid thing is that there was a better tank ready to be made that would have been able to tangle with a Tiger, but Patton said it wasn't needed. He thought tanks were for getting into the enemy rear and blowing stuff up, not for fighting enemy tanks. A lot of armoured troppies died because of him.
If any of ya'll ever get to the Toronto area, the CFB Borden Armoured Museum is worth the 45 minute or so drive. Nobody ever says, "Don't climb on the tanks." German, Allied (both wars) and post war plus assorted crew served MG's and arty, outside, you can pet. The Small Arms Museum is open Sunday afternoon, is free and has one of the German 'shoot around corners' rifles, et al. Aircraft as well. There's a CF5A you can pet. Can't climb on it though.
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Number 121 is a 16" projectile from Iowa Class Battleships
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http://www.letsgoseeit.com/index/county/la/south_el_monte/loc01/tank_museum.htm
web site
http://www.letsgoseeit.com/index/county/la/south_el_monte/loc01/tank_museum.htm
I think artilery an planes took out a good number of Tiger an Panzer tanks, however one tank, the Hellcat, with the same gun as the Sherman could go up against them, they
were issued different rounds for piercing heavy armour....wonder why they just didn't
issue those rounds to the Sherman...?
were issued different rounds for piercing heavy armour....wonder why they just didn't
issue those rounds to the Sherman...?
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When i was a kid there was some old guy that lived about a block from us. He had 2 halftracks. They were painted blue LOL never knew what happened to them or that guy
I couldn't help myselfJust a nitpick, but the Firefly had a British QF 17 pounder main gun. It was 76.2mm, same as the 76mm M1, but was substantially more powerful.
Tungsten cored HVAP (High Velocity Armor Piercing). Tungsten shortages meant that a Sherman crew would get one or two such rounds, if they were lucky. The Tank Destroyer units, outfitted with the M10 and M18, got priority.
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self propelled 155 howitzer
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Any of them in running condition?
42 years ago my friend's brother was a Rosemead Cop, one night he chased a baddie through a scrap/wrecking yard and found a half track. he bought the half-track and drove it home where I helped clean it up, still had 30 cal ammo in the storage lockers in the floor! I wonder if the Scrapyard was the Rosemead Tank Museum?
BTW is that a MkIII or an STG in the background? Incredible collection!
BTW is that a MkIII or an STG in the background? Incredible collection!
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Great photos, thanks! But personally, I hate to see priceless military relics like those sitting out in the weather, just rotting away. There's far too many museums like that with great historic vehicles slowly turning into rusty hulks. I went to an impressive aircraft museum in southern CA once. Nice collection, all sitting out in the weather.
A good example is the US Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen, MD, and the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. Man, you wanna talk about tanks and artillery! They had it all! But all sitting out in the weather. There was an outstanding indoor museum too, and I "think" there were plans for a huge building to bring all the vehicles and artillery indoors. Been about 15 years since I was there.
A good example is the US Army Ordnance Museum in Aberdeen, MD, and the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. Man, you wanna talk about tanks and artillery! They had it all! But all sitting out in the weather. There was an outstanding indoor museum too, and I "think" there were plans for a huge building to bring all the vehicles and artillery indoors. Been about 15 years since I was there.
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Most of them are. The Huey was given to the museum from the nation guard. It was shot down over vietnam then sent back and redone then used in service till 2003. This is when they gave it to the museum. There have been a few of them that were used in Movies. One of the main funding is from Hollywood when ever they make films. Most amazing when i talked to the guy running it at the time. Some are in need of repair for the most part they all run though. Get started up regulary and greased. Pretty cool.
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