Hypnogator
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Now if Taurus will just put that trigger system on a PT-145 Millennium Pro! 
taurus 24/7 OSS (Taurus's Army gun entry)
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Am I nuts or are the new OSS Taurus Pistols being sold here?
http://www.sportingarms.com/results...yword_descr=&max_price=&sale_only=&page_no=18
http://www.sportingarms.com/results...yword_descr=&max_price=&sale_only=&page_no=18
usp9
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10-RING said;
The Taurus is stricker fired, however they have a second strike ability. I believe that is the requirement...not just hammer initiated fire.
The Taurus is stricker fired, however they have a second strike ability. I believe that is the requirement...not just hammer initiated fire.
HorseSoldier
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Don't believe there was a second-strike capability requirement, or any requirement for a hammer fired pistol.
Both would mean that Glock did a whole lot of redesign work on the Glock 21s they submitted for consideration.
Both would mean that Glock did a whole lot of redesign work on the Glock 21s they submitted for consideration.
Ditto!!!
After reading ssteven1's post, I now know that I am not the only one that absolutely LOVES the 24/7 but can't/won't bet my life on the gun. I have never fired a more comfortable pistol in my life. After about 2,000 rds with no more than 2 misfires, I have now come to a point where I can not get a full mag of any brand of .45 to run through it without a misfire on the primer. I sent it back to Taurus, and after a month or so, got it back and the problem was fixed(replaced the firing pin)..........now it always strikes the primer hard enough, but it stove pipes at least once ever 10-20 rounds. It is currently at Taurus getting fixed again and the customer service guy I talked to assured me that it would be perfect when I got it back this time. While waiting, I bought another 24/7 in SS this time(still .45) to use in a 2 day/1500rd Combat Handgun course. After maybe 75rds, started to jam. Luckily, I brought my P229 with me. It never jams, but compared to the 24/7, feels like a large brick in my small hands.
Sorry for the rambling, but to sum it all up....... if I could get a reliable 24/7(especially one like the OSS with all it's features), I would be happier than a pig in "you know what". 2,000 rounds thru my PT745 without a single problem, so I know that Taurus can do it!!!!!
BTW, I have bought several guns from Budsgunshop. Great outfit. Not sure who saw an OSS there, but I hope they have one soon.
After reading ssteven1's post, I now know that I am not the only one that absolutely LOVES the 24/7 but can't/won't bet my life on the gun. I have never fired a more comfortable pistol in my life. After about 2,000 rds with no more than 2 misfires, I have now come to a point where I can not get a full mag of any brand of .45 to run through it without a misfire on the primer. I sent it back to Taurus, and after a month or so, got it back and the problem was fixed(replaced the firing pin)..........now it always strikes the primer hard enough, but it stove pipes at least once ever 10-20 rounds. It is currently at Taurus getting fixed again and the customer service guy I talked to assured me that it would be perfect when I got it back this time. While waiting, I bought another 24/7 in SS this time(still .45) to use in a 2 day/1500rd Combat Handgun course. After maybe 75rds, started to jam. Luckily, I brought my P229 with me. It never jams, but compared to the 24/7, feels like a large brick in my small hands.
Sorry for the rambling, but to sum it all up....... if I could get a reliable 24/7(especially one like the OSS with all it's features), I would be happier than a pig in "you know what". 2,000 rounds thru my PT745 without a single problem, so I know that Taurus can do it!!!!!
BTW, I have bought several guns from Budsgunshop. Great outfit. Not sure who saw an OSS there, but I hope they have one soon.
it has arrived http://www.uberarms.com/handguns-taurus-model-24-7-oss.html
http://www.uberarms.com/handguns-taurus-model-24-7-oss.htmlBrennanKG
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Hey, and they come with "ambidextrous night sights"!
I wonder how long it'll take these to hit the stores?
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I wonder how long it'll take these to hit the stores?
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mpmarty
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Taurus has not released any of these yet. I'm on the list in Miami for three of them for evaluation. I've been waiting for over a year.
RancidSumo
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I might have to get one to go with my 24/7 PRO. I love it, over 3000 rounds with no missfires/jams. Only thing I don't like is the trigger.
WHAT THE CRAP...they just switched it back to unavailable..grrrr!
OH well, they keep jerking people around with this firearm (they being taurus), people are going to spend their cash somewhere else. I'm officially trying to decide between one of these and a 1911....looks like Taurus is making the choice easy for me.
OH well, they keep jerking people around with this firearm (they being taurus), people are going to spend their cash somewhere else. I'm officially trying to decide between one of these and a 1911....looks like Taurus is making the choice easy for me.
Texastbird
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The OSS was the office of strategic services in WW2. I don't know what the OSS infers in a 24/7.
Looks like the "add to cart" buttons are back :O
http://www.uberarms.com/handguns-taurus-model-24-7-oss.html
[edit] ...and taken away again they must have a period update to their site that puts the "add" buttons on by accident.
http://www.uberarms.com/handguns-taurus-model-24-7-oss.html
[edit] ...and taken away again
they must have a period update to their site that puts the "add" buttons on by accident.
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HorseSoldier
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I think Taurus has said that "OSS" stands for "Oh-Seven Submission" (or is it Oh-Six?), as in the pistol they submitted that year for the military contract trials.
And it's a wink and nod to the WW2 OSS, obviously, since SOCOM would be a major user of the pistol (kind of like Glocks G21SF, for "slim frame" or "special forces" and HK's USP45CT for "compact tactical" or "counter-terrorism" depending on whether you like your marketing hype cool or warm . . .).
neviander
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Potential buyer
I just bought a 24/7 pro 9mm for my wife, there's only been about 75 rounds through it, but so far it's fantastic and easy for her to shoot (she likes it a lot).
I need to get something for myself to carry and barring all the negative forum entries I've read about the 24/7, I began looking at the OSS as an option for me.
Beside the ambidextrous safety and tan colored frame, what is the difference between the pro and the OSS?
I know it's a brand new release, but I can't find any discernible difference between the two, except for the safety and color.
I also read that it's mostly the .45 pro that has the feeding problems AND that it's a magazine issue most of the time.
I like the fact that the OSS is a 12+1 .45, (I can't really justify springing for Para's P-14) but like a lot of people on here, I'll probably wait at least a few months before plopping 6 or 7 bills on the gun shop counter for one.
So, with all that being said, does anyone know what the differences with the OSS are?
I just bought a 24/7 pro 9mm for my wife, there's only been about 75 rounds through it, but so far it's fantastic and easy for her to shoot (she likes it a lot).
I need to get something for myself to carry and barring all the negative forum entries I've read about the 24/7, I began looking at the OSS as an option for me.
Beside the ambidextrous safety and tan colored frame, what is the difference between the pro and the OSS?
I know it's a brand new release, but I can't find any discernible difference between the two, except for the safety and color.
I also read that it's mostly the .45 pro that has the feeding problems AND that it's a magazine issue most of the time.
I like the fact that the OSS is a 12+1 .45, (I can't really justify springing for Para's P-14) but like a lot of people on here, I'll probably wait at least a few months before plopping 6 or 7 bills on the gun shop counter for one.
So, with all that being said, does anyone know what the differences with the OSS are?
sfmittels
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Forget the Taurus OSS - the FNP-45 is here!
Like most of you on this thread, I've been excited about the Taurus OSS since American Rifleman reviewed it about a hundred years ago. Everything about it looked good: design, capacity, manual of arms, ergos, appearance, etc. But it looks like it's the firearms equivalent of vaporware in the software business. What's really strange about it are the large number of expensive full-page ads that Tarus has run specifically for the OSS. If I was a Taurus stockholder, I'd be pissed.
But Taurus sat on their hands for too long. I just bought a Fabrique Nationale FNP-45. That model, too, was later to market than it was supposed to be. But it was worth the wait. It is a 14 + 1 .45 ACP, polymer frame, and a stainless slide with the most perfect machining I've seen. It comes standard with three steel (not polymer) magazines. It's a DA/SA with a frame-mounted decocker. Both the decocker and the slide release are ambidextrous. Trigger pull is similar to a SIG (!), although heavier. Grip circumference is smaller than a Glock G21SF. It field strips just like a SIG, and the hammer-forged barrel lets it group like a SIG. Woo hoo!
Like most of you on this thread, I've been excited about the Taurus OSS since American Rifleman reviewed it about a hundred years ago. Everything about it looked good: design, capacity, manual of arms, ergos, appearance, etc. But it looks like it's the firearms equivalent of vaporware in the software business. What's really strange about it are the large number of expensive full-page ads that Tarus has run specifically for the OSS. If I was a Taurus stockholder, I'd be pissed.
But Taurus sat on their hands for too long. I just bought a Fabrique Nationale FNP-45. That model, too, was later to market than it was supposed to be. But it was worth the wait. It is a 14 + 1 .45 ACP, polymer frame, and a stainless slide with the most perfect machining I've seen. It comes standard with three steel (not polymer) magazines. It's a DA/SA with a frame-mounted decocker. Both the decocker and the slide release are ambidextrous. Trigger pull is similar to a SIG (!), although heavier. Grip circumference is smaller than a Glock G21SF. It field strips just like a SIG, and the hammer-forged barrel lets it group like a SIG. Woo hoo!
I bought a Taurus 24/7 OSS at a gun show in Fl on April 12. Took it out yesterday. Here are my impressions.
I like the darker color of the plastic than the tan shown on the Taurus web site.
Feels very good in my medium sized hands. The sights were very usable, Novak three dot non adjustable sights. The SA trigger was very easy to get use to after only a few rounds. After releasing the firing pin, using the long double action trigger will take a little (not much) practice. When empty it is a little front heavy, a full magazine will balance it out nicely.
Aimed fire and off hand shooting is very comfortable and accurate to 50 yards. We tried a few shots to 100 yards, will take more practice.
Fed and fired a variety of ammo dependably. Over 300 rounds of factory 185 jhp, 230 ball, 185 +P, as well as various home made jacketed and lead round nose, SWC and JHP.
The only problem I had was half way through the session, I had half a mag of 230 factory round ball . A round did not feed and jammed the action open, I pulled back the slide and released feeding the round and kept shooting without other problems.
Recoil seemed mild to me, even with the +P and 230 gr slugs. I did fire one 45 Super that gave me a bit more jolt to my hand. It felt more like my G20 10MM. Although the smaller grip made it feel more controllable.
When loading the magazines, the first round was difficult to get in. It feels like the rear of the follower is stuck against the magazine wall. I jammed my thumb against the sharp edge of the lips a couple of times breaking the follower free till I learned to pay more attention. Not a big thing, but it could be during a stressful reload in a firefight. Also the thin walled magazines felt “odd” while shoving in ammo, can’t really explain my perception. Maybe because I am more use to Glock mags.
All the cases I checked, especially the +P and heavy slugs, showed an odd mark in the primers. Instead of a simple round indenture these showed the round hole made by the firing pin with a channel pulled out the side of that hole like the case started moving sideways while the firing pin was still in the primer. Before I break a firing pin, I am going to try to find a heavier firing pin spring and hope that works.
Even though it is quite accurate, I am not impressed with the barrel. With less than 500 rounds through the gun there are wear marks on the top and chamber side of the flat parts on the chamber end. Looks like sharp edges are scrapping these flat sides as it cycles. Could use better machining. The sides of the barrel are slightly rough. It could have been buffed before blueing. During the session the action wore a ring in the blueing on the tapered front end of the barrel where it fits through the frame. There was a noticeable gap in that wear ring on the slide side of the barrel. Makes me think there is something lacking in the machining of the barrel or the frame. The barrel is not as heavy as I would wish. My G20 factory barrel is much thicker around the chamber and barrel wall. My KKM barrel for the G20 is even thicker.
I am hoping a heavy machined barrel and heavy springs becomes available soon. Or a 45 Super conversion kit
Over all the three of us that shot the pistol were impressed with its accuracy, feel, function and dependability.
Now if Taurus would only put this trigger and decocker on the fine shorter 24/7s.
I like the darker color of the plastic than the tan shown on the Taurus web site.
Feels very good in my medium sized hands. The sights were very usable, Novak three dot non adjustable sights. The SA trigger was very easy to get use to after only a few rounds. After releasing the firing pin, using the long double action trigger will take a little (not much) practice. When empty it is a little front heavy, a full magazine will balance it out nicely.
Aimed fire and off hand shooting is very comfortable and accurate to 50 yards. We tried a few shots to 100 yards, will take more practice.
Fed and fired a variety of ammo dependably. Over 300 rounds of factory 185 jhp, 230 ball, 185 +P, as well as various home made jacketed and lead round nose, SWC and JHP.
The only problem I had was half way through the session, I had half a mag of 230 factory round ball . A round did not feed and jammed the action open, I pulled back the slide and released feeding the round and kept shooting without other problems.
Recoil seemed mild to me, even with the +P and 230 gr slugs. I did fire one 45 Super that gave me a bit more jolt to my hand. It felt more like my G20 10MM. Although the smaller grip made it feel more controllable.
When loading the magazines, the first round was difficult to get in. It feels like the rear of the follower is stuck against the magazine wall. I jammed my thumb against the sharp edge of the lips a couple of times breaking the follower free till I learned to pay more attention. Not a big thing, but it could be during a stressful reload in a firefight. Also the thin walled magazines felt “odd” while shoving in ammo, can’t really explain my perception. Maybe because I am more use to Glock mags.
All the cases I checked, especially the +P and heavy slugs, showed an odd mark in the primers. Instead of a simple round indenture these showed the round hole made by the firing pin with a channel pulled out the side of that hole like the case started moving sideways while the firing pin was still in the primer. Before I break a firing pin, I am going to try to find a heavier firing pin spring and hope that works.
Even though it is quite accurate, I am not impressed with the barrel. With less than 500 rounds through the gun there are wear marks on the top and chamber side of the flat parts on the chamber end. Looks like sharp edges are scrapping these flat sides as it cycles. Could use better machining. The sides of the barrel are slightly rough. It could have been buffed before blueing. During the session the action wore a ring in the blueing on the tapered front end of the barrel where it fits through the frame. There was a noticeable gap in that wear ring on the slide side of the barrel. Makes me think there is something lacking in the machining of the barrel or the frame. The barrel is not as heavy as I would wish. My G20 factory barrel is much thicker around the chamber and barrel wall. My KKM barrel for the G20 is even thicker.
I am hoping a heavy machined barrel and heavy springs becomes available soon. Or a 45 Super conversion kit
Over all the three of us that shot the pistol were impressed with its accuracy, feel, function and dependability.
Now if Taurus would only put this trigger and decocker on the fine shorter 24/7s.
Jim Watson
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Local dealer finally got a couple of OSS last week.
The shape of the grip feels as good in the hand as the ones I handled at SHOT '07.
For some strange reason the actions were not as smooth nor the trigger pulls as light as the company display guns. And the metal finish was rougher.
That inspection and JohnS' range report moved the model way down on the shopping list.
The shape of the grip feels as good in the hand as the ones I handled at SHOT '07.
For some strange reason the actions were not as smooth nor the trigger pulls as light as the company display guns. And the metal finish was rougher.
That inspection and JohnS' range report moved the model way down on the shopping list.
Great first post, by the way. Very detailed, accurate, and informative. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I have the 24/7 OSS in desert tan as well. You beat me by a week. I'll comment inline with your comments. Pictures are at http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6259.30.
I was disappointed in the color - but not enough to keep from taking the gun. I wanted the light tan shown in the catalog. Taurus wasn't deceptive in their pictures; it is just a matter of lighting. You can see that in my pictures linked above, one shot shows the lighter tan color that Taurus shows and the others show a more accurate color. All were taken with the same camera on the same towel on the same table under the same kitchen lights.
I am glad it didn't come with those ridiculous Heinie sights.
I have small fat hands - not terribly small but cannot comfortably hold most large framed .45 semi-automatics. I can hold this one almost as easily as a 1911 single-stack. I like it.
<Big snip here because I haven't shot it yet and won't get to for another week.>
Same problem with the magazines. The first round was particularly difficult. I loaded/unloaded a few rounds at a time about 50 times and it has begun to loosen up.
My barrel showed the same wear marks even when I picked it up. I am sure this was caused by the dealer showing off the gun during the couple days they had it before I got in to pick it up. The gun was still in the plastic bag but one magazine slot in the case was empty and the magazine left in the weapon.
As I racked the slide 50 times or so to begin to loosen the gun up some, I could see the wear increase. Oh well, I'm not thrilled about that but it is a zombie gun and zombies won't care about finish wear.
I found the gun to be poorly machined as well. By the time I took it apart, cleaned it, and put it back together again, I had several cuts and gouges in my fingers.
When I was racking the slide, I made the mistake part way through of playing with the safety. With the safety on, which locks the slide closed, I grabbed the slide and tried to rack it. OUCH. That hurt. The ridges on the slide are sharp and grip flesh really well. I ripped my thumb across them leaving a nasty blister. For the next week or two, the only way I'll be able to rack the slide is going to be grabbing it using my fingers and palm. The ridges in the slide seem too narrow to even consider having a gunsmith round the corners over.
I have the 24/7 OSS in desert tan as well. You beat me by a week. I'll comment inline with your comments. Pictures are at http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6259.30.
I was disappointed in the color - but not enough to keep from taking the gun. I wanted the light tan shown in the catalog. Taurus wasn't deceptive in their pictures; it is just a matter of lighting. You can see that in my pictures linked above, one shot shows the lighter tan color that Taurus shows and the others show a more accurate color. All were taken with the same camera on the same towel on the same table under the same kitchen lights.
I am glad it didn't come with those ridiculous Heinie sights.
I have small fat hands - not terribly small but cannot comfortably hold most large framed .45 semi-automatics. I can hold this one almost as easily as a 1911 single-stack. I like it.
<Big snip here because I haven't shot it yet and won't get to for another week.>
Same problem with the magazines. The first round was particularly difficult. I loaded/unloaded a few rounds at a time about 50 times and it has begun to loosen up.
My barrel showed the same wear marks even when I picked it up. I am sure this was caused by the dealer showing off the gun during the couple days they had it before I got in to pick it up. The gun was still in the plastic bag but one magazine slot in the case was empty and the magazine left in the weapon.
As I racked the slide 50 times or so to begin to loosen the gun up some, I could see the wear increase. Oh well, I'm not thrilled about that but it is a zombie gun and zombies won't care about finish wear.
I found the gun to be poorly machined as well. By the time I took it apart, cleaned it, and put it back together again, I had several cuts and gouges in my fingers.
When I was racking the slide, I made the mistake part way through of playing with the safety. With the safety on, which locks the slide closed, I grabbed the slide and tried to rack it. OUCH. That hurt. The ridges on the slide are sharp and grip flesh really well. I ripped my thumb across them leaving a nasty blister. For the next week or two, the only way I'll be able to rack the slide is going to be grabbing it using my fingers and palm. The ridges in the slide seem too narrow to even consider having a gunsmith round the corners over.
FYI the black frames are metal the tan are synthetic.
I didn’t mean to give a negative impression with my opinions on the OSS 45.
Overall I really like the weapon. It was fun to shoot, very pointable, accurate, low recoil,.
It has the features I have been waiting for in an economy package. You just should not confuse this with a custom gun at twice the price. Just as you can not compare the old wore out GI 45s we had 30 years ago to a modern custom 45. The Taurus OSS is designed and built to be a cheap GI issue weapon. Once it has been out a while and more people realize how good a platform it is the custom barrels, springs, sights and magazines will become available. I like to have options. The Taurus gives me more options than any other affordable weapon I can name.
The synthetic frame is stronger as proven by Glock with their 10MM after their competitors steel framed guns wear out and break. Synthetic is lighter, the more you carry one the more you appreciate this. The 5 ¼ inch barrel gives the gun a chance to more efficiently use the combustion gases. It gives higher velocity for longer range accurate shots.
I actually prefer the feel of the double action trigger on the earlier 24/7s. The OSS gives me options with its decocker to carry a fully loaded 13 round pistol safely without a safety lever to deal with. I just need to shoot it enough to be comfortable with its double action first shot. As you should do with any gun you are going to trust your life with.
Once I find stronger springs, a heavier barrel and reload components for 45 Super, I will have a gun with ballistics similar to my 10MM glock in an easier to hold more controllable package. Big fat fast bullets give more one shot stops than any other.
I also want a .22 conversion kit, so I can afford to practice a lot more.
I didn’t mean to give a negative impression with my opinions on the OSS 45.
Overall I really like the weapon. It was fun to shoot, very pointable, accurate, low recoil,.
It has the features I have been waiting for in an economy package. You just should not confuse this with a custom gun at twice the price. Just as you can not compare the old wore out GI 45s we had 30 years ago to a modern custom 45. The Taurus OSS is designed and built to be a cheap GI issue weapon. Once it has been out a while and more people realize how good a platform it is the custom barrels, springs, sights and magazines will become available. I like to have options. The Taurus gives me more options than any other affordable weapon I can name.
The synthetic frame is stronger as proven by Glock with their 10MM after their competitors steel framed guns wear out and break. Synthetic is lighter, the more you carry one the more you appreciate this. The 5 ¼ inch barrel gives the gun a chance to more efficiently use the combustion gases. It gives higher velocity for longer range accurate shots.
I actually prefer the feel of the double action trigger on the earlier 24/7s. The OSS gives me options with its decocker to carry a fully loaded 13 round pistol safely without a safety lever to deal with. I just need to shoot it enough to be comfortable with its double action first shot. As you should do with any gun you are going to trust your life with.
Once I find stronger springs, a heavier barrel and reload components for 45 Super, I will have a gun with ballistics similar to my 10MM glock in an easier to hold more controllable package. Big fat fast bullets give more one shot stops than any other.
I also want a .22 conversion kit, so I can afford to practice a lot more.
Papaster
Member
Yeah, I got to hold one of these OSS guns next to the .40 Long slide. They're identical on the exterior, with exception of the OSS' ambi-safety/decocker & the sights. I do prefer the new Novak style sights to the Heine ones I have on my Taurus. I absolutely loved the gun by feel & the idea of the decocker & ambidextrous safety, and mostly the barrel length (sure beats my PT145 Pro).
I can't help but wonder though, if this action will be replaced by Taurus' new hammer-initiated action coming in the 800 series later this year. I'm looking forward to it.
Oh, and finally, I just read that though the JCP trials were called off, and the Army just ordered another 25,000 M9's from Beretta, the Air Force is still looking for a 45ACP pistol, and wants to retire the M9. So, we will see.
I can't help but wonder though, if this action will be replaced by Taurus' new hammer-initiated action coming in the 800 series later this year. I'm looking forward to it.
Oh, and finally, I just read that though the JCP trials were called off, and the Army just ordered another 25,000 M9's from Beretta, the Air Force is still looking for a 45ACP pistol, and wants to retire the M9. So, we will see.
BattleChimp Potemkin
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The Army will probably not consider this weapon. The biggest issue: Taurus would have to start a factory in the states for that. The Army will not accept a pistol unless it is made in the United States. That is why Beretta started making a bunch here (while still retaining their Italian factories). Taurus's prices would go up significantly if this happened.
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