Taurus 24/7 vs. 111 Mill Pro?

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Hey folks,

I'm looking at buying my 1st 9mm (& first gun) for Xmas. I was set on getting a full size 9mm since I'd be using it as primarily range & HD. But my wife works in a store and today had some wacko come in and harass her, and that makes me think about getting a subbie (like the PT111) so she can carry it to work.

What do you think? Also, how do you feel these two guns compare (other than size)? Anyone shot both? Same trigger? Or is one better? Just how big is the 24/7 (too big for a woman to carry)?

I like the capacity, features, and rail on the 24/7 and if I wasn't worried about her at all then I'd probably go with that. I can't CCW to work, so I wouldn't carry it much, but maybe I could convince her too.

Thanks for the help!! All opinions are appreciated.... :)
 
No experience with the Mil Pro, but we have some 24/7s in 9mm. The original 24/7 is a DA striker fired, while the new 24/7 Pro is a DA/SA arrangement. Also, the original has fixed sights, but I think the new ones are at least drift adjustable. I like the original, but have not seen the new one.
 
If you're not wedded to the Taurus choice(Millenium) in a hide out size gun( I never did like that ones trigger),you may wish to "have your cake and eat it too"...I'd consider aKahr T9(4inch), a glock 26, Sig 239( or Sigpro if the size is not prohibitive).Her hand size and grip strength may cause her to shoot better with one or another.
You may also wish to consider a revolver. I don't know if they are still produced, but Ruger and S&W both had 9mm revolvers;one of these (maybe used) could be a good option.In short, the one she shoots best with& has the highest comfort level takes the prize.
 
I have played with the 111 for much the same reason you are considering. My wife was followed to her car by a bad guy (client) of the law office she was working at. Nothing happened, but we considered the option of her carrying to work (with her employer's encouragement). The only advice I can give you is have her make the decision first. If she want to do it, let her pick out the pistol.

My wife found the 111 not to her liking--I think she had been spoiled by our H&K. Eventually, she decided not to get anything.

If you are looking for an excuse to get a handgun, get the one that fits your hand and points most naturally for you. If she is committed to carrying one, get the pistol that she likes.

--usp_fan
 
The only advice I can give you is have her make the decision first. If she want to do it, let her pick out the pistol.
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Outstanding advice, unless you want to end up carrying it instead.

A copy of Paxton Quigleys "Armed and Female" is a great start for women, lots of good info specifically tuned for them.

As for the PT111:

I had a PT111Ti for a while.

My wife (quite frail in the "strength" department) had zero problem racking the slide or with the trigger pull on the PT111, which surprised me. The slide on the Keltec P32 and Bersa 380 was an issue for her, as were the Beretta Tomcat (and other small pistols) triggers.

Basically, since the wife could operate it, had a manual safety, and was nicely concealable, it was a piece we both really wanted to "work out". Unfortunately, it shipped with quite a gaping factory defect, and after 3 tries with Taurus' vaunted support, was no closer to being fixed. I eventually paid a gunsmith to fix it, and traded it. Got rid of it without ever firing a shot, and never went back to Taurus for anything else.

I've since shot one (not a Titanium) and found it was accurate enough and handled allright. Be aware there are lots of reports of people leaving the safety partially engaged, and having the slide shear it off. On mine, I saw how this could happen.

If your wife has issues with racking slides, either get a revolver or an auto with a hammer that can be cocked before the slide is racked (taking some of the effort out of racking the slide by making it a 2-step process). Again, make sure she is comfy with it.

Best of luck.

Edit to add: Be leery of the Kahrs with MIM slide stops. I've heard of 1 shattering, and seen another shatter for myself after only 40 rounds. Kahrs weapons are generally excellent, but get the all-metal ones, without the MIM part. Call Kahr and they can steer you in the right direction.
 
The older 24/7 seems to be nothing but a larger version of the Mil Pro. As said, they have mildly redesigned the 24/7 to be a DA/SA. Probably because a lot of people weren't crazy about the Taurus DAO trigger and it was probably easier to put in a decent DA/SA trigger than get a good DAO trigger (how many guns have a really good DAO- Kahr, anyone else?). Right now it is recent enough you can probably still find both on dealers' selves. It is a large gun, but since it is polymer it is pretty thin and light for a full-sized gun. You'll have to check it out in person to see if your wife could carry it (or more accurately, she'll have to check it out in person).

The Mil Pro is probably a better carry option. I love my PT140 Mil Pro. Accurate (at least for the size), comfortable to shoot, and very concealable (not that I can take advantage of that very often). It is one of my primary HD guns and it is the main gun to go with me to other states for CCW.

If you're not wedded to the Taurus choice(Millenium) in a hide out size gun( I never did like that ones trigger),you may wish to "have your cake and eat it too"...I'd consider aKahr T9(4inch), a glock 26, Sig 239( or Sigpro if the size is not prohibitive).
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In a way this isn't bad advice. I'm not a big fan of striker fired guns for a first gun (the Glock and Kahr have the same problem). I'm also not a fan of very small guns for a first gun. An "intermediate" size might be ideal for your situation- smaller and lighter than a full-size and thus more appropriate for carry, yet large enough and heavy enough for decent range use (good for more practice for a new shooter). Also, an "intermediate" sized gun will have a longer sight radius and thus be easier to aim. Taurus has several (closely related) options- the 9mm PT911, the .40S&W PT940 and the slightly larger .45ACP PT945. They aren't polymer, but being aluminum alloy they are still light for the size. I'd also suggest taking a close look at the S&W 908 or 910, SIG 239 (as already suggested above), CZ 75 Compact, CZ PCR, and CZ P01.

. Be aware there are lots of reports of people leaving the safety partially engaged, and having the slide shear it off.
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I have never heard that as being a problem with the Milennium Pro series. The original Milennium guns sometimes could have that problem, but the Milennium Pro is not the same gun. You are talking apples to oranges.
 
Mine also has arthritis/grip issues and found the 24/7 to be one of the easiest to retract the slide. Also, it has the best feeling grip I've ever grabbed - that "Ribber" thing.
 
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