Taurus released a video for their "new" 24/7 PRO

[doublebarrel]

Video

It's funny they claim the SA/DA operating system their "innovation", which in fact is the exact same thing used on every classic CZ-75 style(CZs with a manual safety) pistols since, well, 1975. Basically any traditional DA pistol that allows cocked-and-locked carry, is the same thing as the 24/7 PRO, such as the HK USP V1...

They called other manufacturers by name, saying something like "I got this, but Glock and Smith don't...". Not very nice, huh. But what they REALLY have the Glock beat, is when I heard they mention that the 24/7 PRO will be available for 45GAP, for the SAME capacity as the 45ACP: 12+1. Right now(AFAIK), only G37 has 10+1. The XD version holds 9+1, and the smaller Glock GAP models hold even less. If they can make a "normal" sized pistol that holds more of the only caliber with the "Glock" name on it, it's really trumping the Glock at their own game...

 

[armoredman]

Very true, 17 +1 in 9mm, in a smaller weapon, and that weird 45GAP? Well, we'll see. I've had Taurus stuff before, and it was pretty good.

 

[Bobo]

Nicely done video.
Haven't shot the 24/7, but feels and points very nicely in my hands.
Seems like a very nice gun, especially for the price.
Been thinking of getting a .45 ACP. The 24/7 is on the top of my list.

 

[KONY]

Taurus seems to be having their "ear to the street" when it comes to improving their products. Many folks love their DAO pistols sans the longish trigger pull. Now that they have addressed this issue, I think they can only get more popular.

 

[torpid]

Any word on a .45 Taurus 24/7 Pro compact (basically a SA/DA Millennium Pro with a new name)? I hear scattered things- maybe to be announced at the 2006 SHOT show?


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[MS .45]

Been looking to get a full size 9mm and the 24/7 is on my short list of candidates, along with the CZ75 or maybe a Ruger P95.

 

[Rockrivr1]

It's seem like a pretty decent handgun. Except for the at silly internal locking system like S&W has in their revolvers.

 

[doublebarrel]

Any word on a .45 Taurus 24/7 Pro compact (basically a SA/DA Millennium Pro with a new name)? I hear scattered things- maybe to be announced at the 2006 SHOT show?


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I heard about it on the Taurus forum. I guess people over there would be the first ones to get their hands on one, and give some comments about their experience. Though, that forum is kind of low traffic, lower than Ruger forum and much lower than here...

 

[gudel]

what's the difference between 'pro and 'non pro' version?

 

[doublebarrel]

what's the difference between 'pro and 'non pro' version?

1. The non-PRO is DAO, the real kind, not the Glock kind of pseudo-DAO, that pulling the trigger only partially cock the main spring. The PRO is a DA pistol that's designed like a CZ, to be carried in cocked and locked condition 1 mode. Unlike a CZ with exposed hammer, that you can decock manually and carry like any other DA, Taurus is striker-fired without decocker so first shot SA is the only way to go. If the slide didn't cycle by itself, like in a misfire, then you get to pull the trigger in DA, in addition to do a Tap-and-Rack. More choices, I think it's a good thing. Now there's finally a purpose for using that manual safety. To me, a true DAO means no external safety needed, just like a revolver. There ain't such a thing as a manual-safetied revolver, even from Taurus...

2. Sights are now dove-tailed. Also there seems to be a new caliber coming up, as mentioned in the video, the 45GAP. Taurus forum has some rumor going around that Taurus will apply the same formula to Millennium PRO, and call it 24/7 PRO Compact...

Non-PRO

PRO

 

[wally]

If you've seen the video of the DEA "Glock-miester" shooting himself in the foot, you might appreciate that external safety

--wally.

 

[gudel]

If you've seen the video of the DEA "Glock-miester" shooting himself in the foot, you might appreciate that external safety

--wally.

No amount of safety can prevent stupidity. If there is a such thing as idiot proof, Darwin theory will not prevail
I'm more interested in their Millenium Pro series than this new 24/7 though.

 

[Grayrider]

I picked up my Pro in 40 a couple days ago. I am fairly impressed so far. Having had a DAO one in 45, I will say this trigger is probably better. My DAO had a very smooth trigger, and the 40 is not quite so. It will likely smooth with use. However the stroke is shorter in DA, and very short in SA. So short I find myself thinking I am all the way back when I am not. The reset is perhaps half a Glock. It seems like the trigger is touching the grip when it breaks. I would guess around 6.5 lbs, but it is so crisp it does not feel that heavy. Take some time working the trigger and one adjusts to the short stroke in both modes. Note that at full extension the trigger has a pretty long draw, so it should be quite safe for carry. They essentially added some takeup to give an extra margin of protection against an unintentional trigger pull should the manual safety not be engaged. However, one can start with the trigger partially pulled and at the break point either in DA or SA. The extra takeup seems to be just slack.

I really like the Heinie sights. The straight 8 is easy to pick up, and the slope with serations contrasts well under lighted conditions. They look very well made, and are dovetailed with set screws for tension. This should make for simple adjustment should they be off (unlike the previous model 24/7).

Mags eject positively and (like the 45) are small for holding as many rounds as they do. The gun itself is small. I got it as a spare CCW pistol for use when traveling, and it will do nicely if reliable. I don't like to carry high dollar 1911s when far from home. Some local LEO who is not gun friendly might take a liking to my pistol and keep it for a while.

Overall a neat pistol, and probably better than the DAO version both in trigger pull and sights. It has the same nice features of the original, including the mirror polish on the feed ramp and chamber mouth. It looks like a smith went over it. My 45 fed anything, and I suspect this will too. Not bad for the $385 I paid out the door.

GR

 

[MCgunner]

1. The non-PRO is DAO, the real kind, not the Glock kind of pseudo-DAO, that pulling the trigger only partially cock the main spring. The PRO is a DA pistol that's designed like a CZ, to be carried in cocked and locked condition 1 mode. Unlike a CZ with exposed hammer, that you can decock manually and carry like any other DA, Taurus is striker-fired without decocker so first shot SA is the only way to go. If the slide didn't cycle by itself, like in a misfire, then you get to pull the trigger in DA, in addition to do a Tap-and-Rack. More choices, I think it's a good thing. Now there's finally a purpose for using that manual safety. To me, a true DAO means no external safety needed, just like a revolver. There ain't such a thing as a manual-safetied revolver, even from Taurus...

2. Sights are now dove-tailed. Also there seems to be a new caliber coming up, as mentioned in the video, the 45GAP. Taurus forum has some rumor going around that Taurus will apply the same formula to Millennium PRO, and call it 24/7 PRO Compact...

Non-PRO

PRO

Mmm, well, I don't carry SA guns or "safe action" glocks. With no hammer, you can't even carry condition two and there's nothing for a thumb break strap to fit in front of for added safety like you can with a 1911. That's how I used to carry my 1911s, thumb snap under hammer. That effectively gave me THREE safeties (didn't have the firing pin block thing on my guns or it woulda been four).

Nice gun if you don't mind condition one carry. I'll pass on the pro, though. I prefer DA first shot if not all shots.

 

[Grayrider]

It pretty much is a DA first shot if you let out the trigger all the way. It is a bit hard to describe. Having it cocked essentially changes the weight of the break, and moves it back a further in the pull. So if you stage the trigger you don't have to let it out as far, but if you let the trigger out all the way you still have a long DA like stroke before break. If the gun is cocked the break is lighter than if it is not cocked. Does that make sense? I understand that the gun has essentially two sears, one for DA then one after it for SA.

GR

 

[MCgunner]

It pretty much is a DA first shot if you let out the trigger all the way. It is a bit hard to describe. Having it cocked essentially changes the weight of the break, and moves it back a further in the pull. So if you stage the trigger you don't have to let it out as far, but if you let the trigger out all the way you still have a long DA like stroke before break. If the gun is cocked the break is lighter than if it is not cocked. Does that make sense? I understand that the gun has essentially two sears, one for DA then one after it for SA.

GR

Sorta. LOL I'll check one out first chance I get if the gun store attendant lets me.

 

[Bama61]

I really like the look of this pistol. It is not quite what I am looking for but, how safe would it be to carry with the safety OFF and a round chambered? (I am a lefty, so unless it has ambi controls I would have to carry that way.)


Bama61

 

[otomik]

I just think it's horribly dishonest, the simple fact is there is nothing new or interesting about the 24/7. There are plenty of pistols with second strike ability. Dishonesty is nothing new but their advertisement in American Rifleman mocked good technique (slap rack bang), technique that could save the life of 24/7 users as well as everyone else.

They make generic pistols cheaply and their management are deceptive smartgun Quislings, there's not much more to say about them.

P.S. Beretta recently discontinued the Inox Stainless models, The Taurus PT-92 series are good pistols made on Beretta machinery, they are a little rougher finished but available in stainless and with a frame mounted safety decocker which is something Beretta doesn't offer anymore. So now my post is "fair and balanced"

 

[orangeninja]

I shot the DAO 24/7 and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. I shoot better with a Taurus Snub. That being said, a DA/SA 24/7 looks like it would be fun. I don't think the Glock 21 is in any real danger yet, but it would be fun to check out.

 

[kennyboy]

I don't know about the 24/7. I think Glock is the way to go. Something seems a bit cheesy about the 24/7 being under $300. You get what you pay for. Pay more for a Glock and you'll get a better gun.

 

[torpid]

Something seems a bit cheesy about the 24/7 being under $300. You get what you pay for.

You must have never purchased anything from Sharper Image...

 

[Grayrider]

Under $300? Hmm. I must have not shopped enough. Oh well, would not be the first time.

I agree Taurus is marketing it a bit oddly. It is different in that it is a striker fired gun with second strike capability. They should have described it that way rather than make a blanket statement comparing to all auto-loaders. It is certainly a different trigger pull. It essentially has two break points, and which one is enabled depends on whether the striker is tensioned or not.

I am going to play with this one a bit. I am supposed to be getting another Tanfoglio in soon that may endanger the Taurus. After I shake it down a bit I will decide if it stays or goes down to the equipment exchange.



GR

 

[doublebarrel]

It pretty much is a DA first shot if you let out the trigger all the way. It is a bit hard to describe. Having it cocked essentially changes the weight of the break, and moves it back a further in the pull. So if you stage the trigger you don't have to let it out as far, but if you let the trigger out all the way you still have a long DA like stroke before break. If the gun is cocked the break is lighter than if it is not cocked. Does that make sense? I understand that the gun has essentially two sears, one for DA then one after it for SA.

GR

Thanks for explaining that. I haven't handled one of those PRO yet(nor seen one), from what you described, it sounded awful alot like Walther's P99, the DA version, what they now call AS, or Anti-Stress. On a P99, if the striker is cocked by slide on the first shot, the trigger doesn't move from DA to SA position. Instead it stays at the same spot. Pulling the trigger will experience a long movement with zero resisitence, until it moves to the SA position, where it clicks in and stays there. Pulling from that point on will give you the SA weight. Walther thinks that people all have knee jerk trigger fingers, and by adding some zero weight long dead travel to the SA first shot, it'll be safer. In the following SA shots the trigger will stay at the SA starting point, gives you short pulls, until you decock the gun...

To wally: Yeah, I've seen the DEA agent "This is a Glock 40, and I'm the only one in this room trained to handle a Glock" video, many times. No, I don't appreciate an external safety because Glock is neither a DA nor an SA, in my book. I was saying on a REAL, TRUE DAO pistol, with a 30-lb trigger and a half-foot travel(like a Ruger), a safety is not needed, just like on a revolver. Glock is not like a revolver. One can make it more like a revolver by installing NY springs and/or heavier connectors. But that's kinda against the purpose of a Glock. They're designed to feel alot like SA when shooting, but work half way like a DA so you'd feel safe without a manual safety(the three safeties Gaston said he put in his Glocks, including the little tab in the trigger, while useful, don't count)...

 

[doublebarrel]

The Taurus PT-92 series are good pistols made on Beretta machinery, they are a little rougher finished but available in stainless and with a frame mounted safety decocker which is something Beretta doesn't offer anymore.

IF you intended to carry cocked-and-locked, then it's useful. For me, that 15-lb Beretta DA trigger is good enough in place of a manual safety, but Taurus doesn't offer the PT-92, or ANY of their pistols, in decock only configuration. Beretta doesn't sell their G version of the 92FS in the US(except those way overpriced 92G-SD, and Elite so and so), but at least Beretta HAS a decock only model. They just sell them to the French people, as if the French got better gun training than us that they can live with a gun that's manual safety-less...

 

[MCgunner]

They're designed to feel alot like SA when shooting, but work half way like a DA so you'd feel safe without a manual safety(the three safeties Gaston said he put in his Glocks, including the little tab in the trigger, while useful, don't count)...

You might feel safe with the Glock, but I don't. Not thank ya, glad there are other choices. I like revolvers and revolver like triggers. I can shoot 'em fine, no problem. It does take a little effort to learn to shoot a DA, I reckon, but it's worth the effort to me.