Taurus Ten Tracker 45LC/.410

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I'd sure like to see some patterns at various ranges. I heard from Bob Morrison that you get 30" at 4 yards. Heck, I don't have any 30" rats....
 
From the site, I'm thinkin' it won't even be ready until fall. I really have no interest in it. I have a Contender with a .45/.410 barrel that is actually useful, but the .410 would be quite useless if it weren't for the screw in choke. It is a 10" barrel, too. It patterns out to about 20-25 yards good enough to take small game, pretty worthless beyond that.
 
I just saw one on a shelf, the short barreled version:

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=4410TKR-2B&category=Revolver

Here's the longer barrel:

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=4410TrackerB&category=Revolver

Weird gun, hard to see what you're to do with it, except for one provocative idea. A well-known gun writer (name slips my mind) recently suggested that the Taurus .410 revolver might be a prime anti-carjacking tool to CCW in one's vehicle. Wish I could remember who it was; I was just reading about it.

Even if the gun throws a 30" pattern at 4 yards, it would pattern usefully at bad-breath ranges. One could load it with five of those .410 "critter repellant" shells that contain 3 to 5 balls of 000 buck each. Nasty.

I have no idea whether this would work well in practice, but that is the idea.
 
I have the short barreled stainless version. I have a lot of big rattlesnakes on my ranch and this gun is just the ticket for dealing with them. I have yet to pattern it but it is loaded with #9 birdshot. I also have some buckshot for bedside duty.
 
How is recoil? I know the .410 is a pussy cat and the .45 Colt is the same with most loads, but are you able to fire rapidly and accurately? The loads I have seen are 2.5" and have three OOO bulk pellets. How do these pattern at close range? These guns only shoot 2.5" loads, correct?
 
it was Sitletto Raggio who wrote:
"How is recoil? I know the .410 is a pussy cat and the .45 Colt is the same with most loads, but are you able to fire rapidly and accurately? The loads I have seen are 2.5" and have three OOO bulk pellets. How do these pattern at close range? These guns only shoot 2.5" loads, correct?"

Recoil is just what you imagine it might be ... a pussy cat and yes, you can fire quite rapidly with accuracy.

Yes it only shoots 2.5" shotshells. I'd highly recommend 00 buckshot in lieu of 000. DO NOT use Sellier & Belot shotshells in your Taurus, they don't work well at all. Several people I know have had the same problems as I have had. Extreme difficulty in extraction is only a small part of it. Just don't use 'em.

Don't thnk of the 44-Ten as a hand held shotgun, it ain't that. What it is is a compromise gun. It is a quite adequate .45 Colt revolver that just happens to shoot shotshells. A Blackhawk is a much better .45 and any .410 bore long gun makes a better shotgun. It is, in my not so humble opinion, a superb home defense gun. Five rounds of double-aught in a hand held, easily maneuverable, revolver is ideal for close encounters.

Here's pics of a cuppla targets shot at 21'. Both were shot fairly rapidly, probably 3 seconds max. You're seing 00 buckshot (3 shells) and rifled slugs.
 

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Aren't 2.5" 410 00 loads 4 pellets per round? So all pellets were in an 8" group at 7 yards. Pretty good pattern for a rifled shotgun!

How long is the cylinder? Would the silver bear 2.75" all brass rounds fit? These are advertised as 5 pellets of #4 buck, but they are really 5 pellets of something between 0 and 1 buck (.310 diameter).
 
A well-known gun writer (name slips my mind) recently suggested that the Taurus .410 revolver might be a prime anti-carjacking tool to CCW in one's vehicle.
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Yea, I know I would much rather pepper someone with bird shot than hit them with a 230 grain JHP.

I wish you could remember the guru who made that comment. I think he's trying just a little too hard to sell his advertiser's guns.

Why, pray tell, did he think this would be such a prime anti-carjacking tool?
 
Most of us who have ever owned a .45/.410 Contender barrel can attest that .45 COlt accuracy really suffers in that overly long chamber.
I suspect the Taurus will suffer as well.

I looked at one of the snub nosed .44/Ten revolvers and I wonder just how much velocity you can expect from a .410?

I've experimented a lot with handgun shot loads and at anything over eight feet I'll take a bullet over birdshot.

I've also used and loaded a lot of multiball loads (in fact I just did some in .44 mag).
They're fun to play with but precise aiming is rather difficult.
For asset salvation I prefer one large bullet over two or three smaller ones.

Remington tried it but gave up on them years ago.
 

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"Most of us who have ever owned a .45/.410 Contender barrel can attest that .45 COlt accuracy really suffers in that overly long chamber.
I suspect the Taurus will suffer as well."


In what way. Seems that a 6.5 inch barrel on the Taurus should compenstate for any short comings imparted by the chamber.
 
I bought mine for one purpose and that is to shoot rattlesnakes. I have always had better luck with shot patterns in handguns with short barrels. The Taurus will be a handy gun to keep in the truck or on the four wheeler and can also double as a bedside defense gun. My MP5 is just too combersome to lug around while doing everyday chores.


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Yea, I know I would much rather pepper someone with bird shot than hit them with a 230 grain JHP.
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Why, pray tell, did he think this would be such a prime anti-carjacking tool?
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Reread the post, sir. As it stated, one idea was to use the multi-ball 000 buckshot (not birdshot) loads available in .410.

In that case, the question is whether you would rather hit an assailant with the rough equivalent of three to five rounds of .32 ACP simultaneously, or a single 230 gr slug. I express no opinion on that question.
 
I'd love to see some birdshot patterns from the Taurus at "real" ranges, say 10-20 yards.
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Seconded. I'd really like to see some 7 1/2 or 8 shot out of a 6in barrel at those ranges.

More idle curious, than anything else. Looks like a fun novelty type gun. :)
 
"Most of us who have ever owned a .45/.410 Contender barrel can attest that .45 COlt accuracy really suffers in that overly long chamber.
I suspect the Taurus will suffer as well."


In what way. Seems that a 6.5 inch barrel on the Taurus should compenstate for any short comings imparted by the chamber.
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The problem with the Contender's accuracy with .45 colt is the free bore. It HAS a rifled barrel, otherwise it'd be illegal (sawed off shotgun). In fact, it has 10 inches of rifled barrel in the newer barrels, 7 inches in the external choke type older barrels. But, it has to leap a HUGE gap before it reaches the rifling. The Taurus is similar, though the cylinders won't handle 3" loads like the contender.

However, poor accuracy is relative in the Contender. My .45/.410 barrel will shoot 7moa, that's 7" groups at 100 yards (done with a scope and sand bags). That's as good as a mediocre revolver. :D It's just not the normal 1-1.5 moa other contender barrels produce.

Personally, if I wanted a handgun for snakes and couldn't hit 'em with a .22...:rolleyes: ... I'd be fine with the Contender. It'll pattern well on a snake 15 yards anyway, real ranges. I don't know if I wanna get within striking distance to make a shot. Heck, though, I shot one about like that in my back yard some years back, head shot from about 10 feet with a NAA .22 contender with a 1" barrel. It had 9 buttons on the rattle and was 6 feet long and was coiled due to a cat was stalking it. A snake head ain't that hard to hit at short ranges with any normal firearm. I've killed a half dozen snakes with head shots with that NAA mini and I don't use shot loads in it, Federal Lightening from the 550 round value pack. Thing is, I always have that gun on me when I come across a snake. I usually have a 9mm or .38 (which I handloaded some shot loads for once), but the .22 seems like the appropriate snake medicine. The bigger gun is always loaded for humans with +P stuff. If I really am worried about snakes, I've killed a couple dozen with my lowly Phoenix Arms HP22 POS. It's so accurate, I've made 20 yard shots on big water snakes sitting on logs or swimming. The one I rolled off the log spotted my boat and I was firing away at his head which he was holding 2 feet off the water coming after me. I was in a little 10 ft flat bottom. I finally hit him as he was moving toward me in the head from about 15 feet and he sunk. I was getting ready to throw that POS at him and start whackin' him with the paddle. ROFLMAO! Those water snakes are big and very aggressive, but not poisonous. I think the genus is "Natrix" if IIRC. I killed a couple dozen off this little lake I was on in one day with that little .22 pocket gun. The place had probably HUNDREDS of 'em. Never seen a lake that infested with water snakes. It had a lot of bass and crappie in it, too, probably the reason. Shootin' water snakes can be fun and exciting.
 
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