Orthonym
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I thought "compound" was mostly an adjective, and a verb only at law, and a noun only in chemistry.
Those folks are living in a simplex, IMHO.
Those folks are living in a simplex, IMHO.
Tax dodgers taunt police from hilltop compound
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The browns had no gripe over paying any other taxes, so they are not tax dodgers like this article says. He stopped going to court because he was being railroaded.
So if you dont pay income tax you die? Maybe some my argue that if you dont pay income tax you go to jail and the fed are only trying to put them in jail. Everyone knows that if they go in that house the browns will be killed.
So if you dont pay income tax you die.
Pretty screwed up if you ask me.
By the way it is their house. If the media and Fed would call it a house then it might hit to close to home with a lot of Americans. I have a small house, my parents have a huge house like the browns. How many of you also have houses? I am sure a few of you might even jokingly call your house a compound. Instead a large portion of people will think these people are help up in, well, a military style compound.
It is going to Be very sad if the Browns are murdered by the Feds for not paying income tax. What will be even worse is those who are killed by the Browns defending their lives. Just like in the Nurnberg trials "just following orders" is not going to cut it.
So if you dont pay income tax you die? Maybe some my argue that if you dont pay income tax you go to jail and the fed are only trying to put them in jail. Everyone knows that if they go in that house the browns will be killed.
So if you dont pay income tax you die.
Pretty screwed up if you ask me.
By the way it is their house. If the media and Fed would call it a house then it might hit to close to home with a lot of Americans. I have a small house, my parents have a huge house like the browns. How many of you also have houses? I am sure a few of you might even jokingly call your house a compound. Instead a large portion of people will think these people are help up in, well, a military style compound.
It is going to Be very sad if the Browns are murdered by the Feds for not paying income tax. What will be even worse is those who are killed by the Browns defending their lives. Just like in the Nurnberg trials "just following orders" is not going to cut it.
Only if they resist arrest. The Browns were the one's that brought all this upon themselves, when they decided to escalate the situation by taking up arms.
They would only be killed if they offered armed resistance to the US Marshals. They would not be killed for not paying their taxes. That notion is ridiculous.
Titan6
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Resisting arrest or fleeing = Death. The recent Supreme Court ruling offered the police protections even if the suspect had never been convicted of a crime.
ArfinGreebly
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Pay The Taxes
Jussssst pay the preciousssssss taxesssssss.
Taxesssssss are goooooooood.
I admire their principled stand.
They're probably gonna die for it.
It sucks to be them.
I'm just not that brave.
Neither are millions of other Americans who loathe and despise the train wreck that is our tax system, and the dishonesty with which is it administered.
So, since we're not brave, and they're taking a principled stand that will probably kill them, and since there are lots of us and only a few of them, and we don't want to feel like a bunch of cowards: these guys must be crazy.
Yeah. That way we don't have to think of them as brave.
And we don't have to be cowards.
Sometimes I hate it that I don't have a spine.
Jussssst pay the preciousssssss taxesssssss.
Taxesssssss are goooooooood.
I admire their principled stand.
They're probably gonna die for it.
It sucks to be them.
I'm just not that brave.
Neither are millions of other Americans who loathe and despise the train wreck that is our tax system, and the dishonesty with which is it administered.
So, since we're not brave, and they're taking a principled stand that will probably kill them, and since there are lots of us and only a few of them, and we don't want to feel like a bunch of cowards: these guys must be crazy.
Yeah. That way we don't have to think of them as brave.
And we don't have to be cowards.
Sometimes I hate it that I don't have a spine.
So if you pay sales tax but not income tax you're not a tax dodger? The evidence seemed to be enough to convince a jury. Tell me about how he was railroaded and what exactly railroaded even means here. I'm open to hearing facts.
Maybe some would argue? That is exactly what is happening.
If you break the law and are convicted and sentenced to jail and you try to kill the people that come to put you in jail they will defend their lives. What is screwed up? Making people who don't want to go to jail serve their sentence? Allowing those that enforce our laws to defend their lives? Should we just start jailing people who really are okay with it? If you don't want to go or don't think its right thats fine.
Whats brave or admirable about resorting to violence because you don't get your way in a fair system? The system is fair and works, it decided they do in fact owe taxes. Pay up or work to change the system. Why would you admire someone willing to kill a person enforcing the laws and rules of the country? I don't think drugs should be against the law, but I'm sure not going to cheer someone for shooting a cop trying to arrest them. Society doesn't agree with me, I have a fair chance to change it but I'm not going to get my way with everything.
No, what is truly ridiculous, is that so many people are passionate about the Second Amendment, while despising the Sixteenth. I admit the Second is much more important, however like it or not it the Sixteenth is also the rule of the land.
That is a cheap straw man argument.
ArfinGreebly
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Dude, you quoted me while I was fixing my text.
Dude, you quoted me while I was fixing my text.
In case you want to capture that update.
Who is resorting to violence?
Everything else you said asking me to elaborate on how Ed Brown was being railroaded... You can find that for yourself. The information is only a google away. This story although being ignored by the mainstream media, it is huge. Plenty of information out there. It is up to you to research things that effect you.
No one yet but everything I've read says the browns plan is to resort to violence if an attempt is made to make them serve their sentence.
All I can do is ask. I've found pages and pages talking about the zionist conspiracy, and free masons, and take overs of the US and the world. I've found his court docket that has all the information on the fair trial by jury they had but didn't show up for. I've found how his wife was let out on bail and cut her ankle bracelet. So yeah I've googled and I'm convinced they're nuttier than I originally thought. If you actually have some real solid facts that relate to them not getting a fair trial, I would love to see it and I think it would really further this thread. If you're going to make the claim, stand behind it and show the supporting evidence.
ArfinGreebly
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Sixteenth? Fair system?
It seems this is not as clear-cut as advertised.
I see it with very different eyes.
I pay because I'm gutless, not because it's right.
Read a bio by an agent who left the IRS over this.
It seems this is not as clear-cut as advertised.
The current tax code, its implementation, and its administration constitute a "fair system" in your eyes?
I see it with very different eyes.
I pay because I'm gutless, not because it's right.
Then you guys are all going to be rich!
"Show Ed the Law and get $1,000,000 in commercial property!"
http://showedthelaw.blogspot.com/
The woman cut her ankle bracelet off to go be with her husband, what a freaking nutcase.
"Show Ed the Law and get $1,000,000 in commercial property!"
http://showedthelaw.blogspot.com/
The woman cut her ankle bracelet off to go be with her husband, what a freaking nutcase.
No I'm not refering to the tax code, I'm refering to our legislative and judicial systems. We have fair elections to determine who makes laws, we have the judicial system to determine if the laws are just, and to give people fair trials. You might not like the tax system but it was put into place by fairly elected representatives, has been judged as proper and acceptable by the courts, and the browns had a fair trial. They had opportunity to work within the system to fight to change the laws, but instead are upset because they are being punished for violating laws they didn't like. When you can't get a fair trial or aren't getting fair representation then you start to work outside the system. This is more like acting like spoiled children because you didn't get your way.
Love your honesty. Doesnt seem to be contagious though.
My comment about giving up firearms and Texas telling me "That is a cheap straw man argument." Sorry man I just dont see it.
It is hard to admit that this guy is braver than most of us. That is really all there is to it.
I suspect there are other people that will insist on being 1st in line for the money, but the browns have been shown the law and have just decided they don't like it. I'd probably start here http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000001----000-.html and then point to the 16th amendment but they'd just say that they don't think the 16th amendment was properly ratified. The courts have determined it is. I can show you a dollar but if you insist it isn't a dollar what more can I do?
It was a condition of her bail and being out of jail. Now she goes back to jail. Do you think its right she shoots the people that come to make her go to jail when she had a fair trial by jury and was properly convicted of breaking the law?
Brave is putting up with something you don't like and changing things the right way, not threatening to kill people because you didn't get your way and decided you weren't going to obey the law anymore. I fail to see how this is any different than cheering for a drug dealer who says he won't be taken alive.
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Texas said:
Technically, that's only the law that gives the government the power to pass the law that says the Browns have to pay taxes, not the law that says they have to pay taxes.
Texas wrote:
No, what is truly ridiculous, is that so many people are passionate about the Second Amendment, while despising the Sixteenth. I admit the Second is much more important, however like it or not it the Sixteenth is also the rule of the land.
This is a false analogy. The second ammendment is part of the Bill of Rights, written by the original authors of our Constitution. The sixteenth ammendment was concocted for the purpose of generating money and ever since has been used as a tool to control various voting blocks. There is such a thing as an unjust law and those who obey an unjust law simply because it is "The Law" contribute in a small way to the gradual loss of freedom that has occurred in this country for over a century.
Soybomb wrote:
"I'm refering to our legislative and judicial systems. We have fair elections to determine who makes laws..."
The elections may be fair, but have you considered the process through which the candidates are selected. My evidence: Our last president who was not a millionaire at the time of his election: Dwight D. Eisenhower. Do your own research into the percentage of legislators who are multimillionaires- truly rich, and consider whoose interest they are likely to have in mind.
No, what is truly ridiculous, is that so many people are passionate about the Second Amendment, while despising the Sixteenth. I admit the Second is much more important, however like it or not it the Sixteenth is also the rule of the land.
This is a false analogy. The second ammendment is part of the Bill of Rights, written by the original authors of our Constitution. The sixteenth ammendment was concocted for the purpose of generating money and ever since has been used as a tool to control various voting blocks. There is such a thing as an unjust law and those who obey an unjust law simply because it is "The Law" contribute in a small way to the gradual loss of freedom that has occurred in this country for over a century.
Soybomb wrote:
"I'm refering to our legislative and judicial systems. We have fair elections to determine who makes laws..."
The elections may be fair, but have you considered the process through which the candidates are selected. My evidence: Our last president who was not a millionaire at the time of his election: Dwight D. Eisenhower. Do your own research into the percentage of legislators who are multimillionaires- truly rich, and consider whoose interest they are likely to have in mind.
What injustices? That he doesn't like that he has to pay taxes? Your talk about the revolution makes me think you just admire anyone willing to fight authority and the validity of their complaint is irrelevant. The colonies had a genuine beef with the english empire because they didn't have the system of government that we have today. The colonists fought to give him that system, and its still in place today. He didn't get his way in the system, but that doesn't mean it wasn't fair. Can you point out the injustice or why you think its at all fair to compare him to the patriots of the revolution?
I guess I fail to see your connect. We elect successful men to office. This really isn't all that shocking. People who become politicans like attorneys usually have made money in their careers. The man who goes to office with no money is going to less susceptible to the bribes of lobbies and special interest groups than the man who is already made for life? Personally I'm not trusting the rich man or the poor man. I still don't see how that means the system is unfair.
pcosmar
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Actually it's worth about 6cents.
The Browns tried to work things out with the IRS for several years before they were charged.
They tried to present a defense,and were denied. They would not allow them to present their argument.
That is when they walked out of court.
They have threatened no one.
They will defend themselves, but are attacking no one.
It may be a futile stand, but an honest one.
I hate to tell you this but the overwhelming cause of the Revolution was taxation. Truth be told the Hanoverian system of government shares not only a few similarities with the current system of the American Empire. They are only seen now as having a "genuine beef" is because they were successful.
As far as injustice goes it is in no way in keeping with the principles of the revolution to seize property for any purpose without due compensation. Wealth and property can be equated in a nonagrarian economy. To seize it without compensation is injustice.
I do admire anyone who will stand up to overwhelming odds for what they believe in. It is a rare characteristic is our "kneel its for your own good" society. Their cause may not be my cause but it is good to see that the spirit of '76 is not yet passed from this earth.
Jefferson
As far as injustice goes it is in no way in keeping with the principles of the revolution to seize property for any purpose without due compensation. Wealth and property can be equated in a nonagrarian economy. To seize it without compensation is injustice.
I do admire anyone who will stand up to overwhelming odds for what they believe in. It is a rare characteristic is our "kneel its for your own good" society. Their cause may not be my cause but it is good to see that the spirit of '76 is not yet passed from this earth.
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