So says this article. It is a good, but succinct, postmortem on how the gun control bill was defeated. It highlights the tea party contribution, and gives a more realistic view of just what contribution the NRA made. Those who are anti-NRA may think they see something here to support their view, but I don't. The NRA did just what I pay my dues for it to do (though I pay my dues for other reasons also). So don't think it is an anti-NRA screed. It is just more realistic about how the deed got done.
Tea Party, not NRA, took down Obama on Gun Control
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calaverasslim
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Ted Cruz got my vote last election and he will get my vote next time also. I also marked Cornyn.
If they are going to push this agenda again, get ahold of your Senators and scream
If they are going to push this agenda again, get ahold of your Senators and scream
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Blackstone
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Looks like a Tea Party-GOA-NRA wham bam combo
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I think it's safe to say that Cruz, Paul and the rest of the pro gun Senators worked/work pretty closely with the NRA in opposing any gun control. Nice to see the Tea Party get some credit though.
I can't speak for all members of each but the people I know that support both organizations pretty much agree with the policies of them both so it's quite a seamless line between the two.
I can't speak for all members of each but the people I know that support both organizations pretty much agree with the policies of them both so it's quite a seamless line between the two.
Texan Scott
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MartinS: best use of "it takes a village" EVER. Thank you.
JRH6856
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And it takes a militia to defend the village. 
The NRA is used as the boogey man by the Antis because they can misrepresent us as a monolithic industry lobby like the cigarette lobby instead of a grass roots, internet, state group and national groups team effort to oppose them. They want to frame the discussion as all the "little people" being protected by Government from the big bad special interest group. They never want to talk about the members of the NRA or SAF or GOA or that funding for those groups and the state groups and the internet sites doesn't come big busness/private contributors.
Carl N. Brown
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The loyal base of pro gun control voters have been conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to foam at the mouth like Cujos at the letters NRA. That is over fifty years of brain-washing and very hard to break.
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That was a great article by Tim Carney in the Washington Examiner. Alway love to see a plan come together, especially so when it comes to defeating any gun control measure conjured up by Obama and his cronies.
AlexanderA
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It's an interesting article, but the Washington Examiner is not a serious newspaper. It's a throwaway advertising rag best known for cluttering people's driveways.
As HSO mentions the NRA is used to represent a big foreign boogeyman by the antis. They wish to present the 'gun lobby' as just a small number powerful corporate interests they are fighting against.
In reality a large number of citizens are very passionate about thier firearm rights.
We all know that most of the most vocal and active politicians who are anti gun are Democrats, and most of those that don't support gun control whether out of desire for reelection or thier beliefs are Republicans.
With some strong anti Republicans and some pro-gun Democrats.
Even many of the bad Republicans come from Democrat strongholds where writing Republican just means you get to run against the Democrats and try to appeal to the segment wanting to pay less taxes, when they would run as Democrats in other regions.
However that needs to change. Our two party system sways back and forth. Some years one is in power, and then another is in power.
If your gun rights depend on Republicans remaining in control indefinately then it won't be too many cycles before they are wittled down to nothing.
Because Democrats will control the Congress at some point in the future, and be able to pass things without much support from the other party.
It needs to be just as toxic to support gun control in the Democrat party as it is many places in the Republican party.
We need to work on that, and we have done a good job in one party so far. So it is the other party that needs the most work done in it.
Highlighting the Tea Party as saviors, or Republicans as the way to keep your rights is a limited time tactic. Though a tactic favored especially by those that would like Republicans to remain in power as long as possible.
It ignores the reality though that they won't be there indefinately, and based on the changing demographics and change from rural to urban in many places, it may be the Democrats that are in power more often than not in the future until the parties change a bit.
If you depend on just one party to keep gun rights they are on borrowed time.
In reality a large number of citizens are very passionate about thier firearm rights.
We all know that most of the most vocal and active politicians who are anti gun are Democrats, and most of those that don't support gun control whether out of desire for reelection or thier beliefs are Republicans.
With some strong anti Republicans and some pro-gun Democrats.
Even many of the bad Republicans come from Democrat strongholds where writing Republican just means you get to run against the Democrats and try to appeal to the segment wanting to pay less taxes, when they would run as Democrats in other regions.
However that needs to change. Our two party system sways back and forth. Some years one is in power, and then another is in power.
If your gun rights depend on Republicans remaining in control indefinately then it won't be too many cycles before they are wittled down to nothing.
Because Democrats will control the Congress at some point in the future, and be able to pass things without much support from the other party.
It needs to be just as toxic to support gun control in the Democrat party as it is many places in the Republican party.
We need to work on that, and we have done a good job in one party so far. So it is the other party that needs the most work done in it.
Highlighting the Tea Party as saviors, or Republicans as the way to keep your rights is a limited time tactic. Though a tactic favored especially by those that would like Republicans to remain in power as long as possible.
It ignores the reality though that they won't be there indefinately, and based on the changing demographics and change from rural to urban in many places, it may be the Democrats that are in power more often than not in the future until the parties change a bit.
If you depend on just one party to keep gun rights they are on borrowed time.
I like that!
If you depend on just one politial party to protect your 2A rights those rights are on borrowed time.
If you depend on just one politial party to protect your 2A rights those rights are on borrowed time.
mljdeckard
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I'm a member of both.
The Tea Party wouldn't have had any basis to work from on gun control without the NRA.
The Tea Party wouldn't have had any basis to work from on gun control without the NRA.
r1derbike
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"So Obama has reason to be upset with the NRA. But his real enemies are the Tea Party, which brought in unruly conservatives, and the NRA's membership".
I don't care who Obama is upset with. We need to stay focused and give extra support to those who have "upset" Obama. NRA-ILA, GOA, NRA, Tea Party, or group of your choice that really makes a difference. I'm glad that we, the members of NRA got some credit in upsetting Obama.
I don't care if he is upset, I care that he and his present band of "expendables" will use every dirty, and possibly illegal trick in the book to pull-off gun control in the future.
If ever we, and all organizations need to be united, it is now. They've shown their hand, we need to show them defeat.
I don't care who Obama is upset with. We need to stay focused and give extra support to those who have "upset" Obama. NRA-ILA, GOA, NRA, Tea Party, or group of your choice that really makes a difference. I'm glad that we, the members of NRA got some credit in upsetting Obama.
I don't care if he is upset, I care that he and his present band of "expendables" will use every dirty, and possibly illegal trick in the book to pull-off gun control in the future.
If ever we, and all organizations need to be united, it is now. They've shown their hand, we need to show them defeat.
JRH6856
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The Tea Party gets attention from Republican incumbents because of what can happen to them in the primaries. It is one reason John Cornyn is moving closer to Ted Cruz in Texas.
Likewise, the place to hit the Democrats on gun control is in the primaries. No matter how you plan to vote in the general election, crossing over and going after gun-control Democrats in the primaries will make them pay attention.
Likewise, the place to hit the Democrats on gun control is in the primaries. No matter how you plan to vote in the general election, crossing over and going after gun-control Democrats in the primaries will make them pay attention.
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If you depend on just one politial party to protect your rights, those rights are on borrowed time.
I think that thought can apply to every right.
And I *love* the concept that supporting gun control needs to be a toxic idea for every politician in this country.
I think that thought can apply to every right.
And I *love* the concept that supporting gun control needs to be a toxic idea for every politician in this country.
Agreed, in fact I was in the middle of composing something similar. Remember we are talking about negative rights here; proscriptions against governmental infringement. Incorporation is against the State, not the individual. Keep that in mind anytime you hear a politician of any stripe talking about curbing any inherent right.
Not to get too Rothbardian but; what was once illegal is made legal, and what was once legal is made illegal both by the same power structure. Despite this, an individual's inherent rights can only be infringed upon by that same power structure. With that my toes are probably over the line...
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JRH6856 said:
Now there's a sig line for you!
I'm so far from Tea Party politics and I did more writing and donating to defeat this stuff than I've ever done before.
Maybe they deserve some credit, as do those who are just on the right side of the aisle, but there have been a lot of voices in the pro-gun side of this fight.
Maybe they deserve some credit, as do those who are just on the right side of the aisle, but there have been a lot of voices in the pro-gun side of this fight.
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