Tell me about H&K Pistols

[45_auto]

I have no room in my safes for queens....

I found that problem to be easily solved by the addition of multiple large gun safes.

Many of the most enjoyable guns I own (heirlooms from family and friends, historic, etc) are only fired on special occasions.


As for H&K's, get one and try it. Consider it entertainment. Most you'll lose if you don't like it is less than the price of a decent dinner or movie.

I had a couple, found them to be bulky and clumsy. Gave them to my sons. One was almost immediately traded away for a 1911, the other one for a Glock.

 

[tarosean]

I found that problem to be easily solved by the addition of multiple large gun safes.

I have multiple safes.
However, no heirs that are interested.....So I came to the realization that I need to acquire what I really want. I've sold off around 40+ firearms over the last couple years and picked up a few high end 1911's... So, no, I don't really fit into the above "list"....

 

[MachIVshooter]

However, no heirs that are interested.....So I came to the realization that I need to acquire what I really want. I've sold off around 40+ firearms over the last couple years and picked up a few high end 1911's... So, no, I don't really fit into the above "list"....

To each his own, and that is why I did not say "absolutely" but "basically". There are always exceptions, and I don't like to paint myself into a corner by stating absolutes where they do not exist.

For me, personally, as a mostly recreational shooter, I find there is nothing a Les Baer, Ed Brown or other custom will do for me that my Kimber won't, besides drain my bank account. I don't shoot bullseye, and a 1911 that can produce 1-hole 50 yard groups will not perform better in practical shooting competitions (where the greatest accuracy requirement is about 4" at 25 yards) than any number of common service pistols.

Also, having said that, I do question what one is really buying much of the time besides exclusivity, because I do have a gun that will rival the accuracy of many of the best 1911s out there at a fraction of their cost:



Like I said, if there is something about those high end specimens that makes them worth the cost to you, it's your money, and far be it from me to tell you how it should or shouldn't be spent. For me, though, the performance has to justify the cost. I don't really care if it was carefullly hand-crafted or spit out by machines, and I certainly am not willing to pay extra for man hours that did not enhance performance, reliability or durability.

 

[tarosean]

For me, though, the performance has to justify the cost. I don't really care if it was carefullly hand-crafted or spit out by machines, and I certainly am not willing to pay extra for man hours that did not enhance perform

Yet, you didn't post a picture of a hi-point? Hmmmmmm

 

[45_auto]

I have no room in my safes for queens

I have multiple safes.

I've sold off around 40+ firearms over the last couple years and picked up a few high end 1911's

I'm trying to figure out where you're coming from.

You sold 40 guns and bought a couple, yet you have no room in your safes?

You have multiple safes, yet none of your guns are safe queens? I easily get 50-60 guns (combination of handguns and long guns) in each of my safes.

Either you have some very small safes, or you shoot a LOT of different guns every day to prevent them from becoming safe queens!

 

[DammitBoy]

I've never understood this sniping at each other and looking down your nose at what someone else chooses to do with their time and money.

Enjoy your firearms, your sport, and your hobby and let the other guy do the same.

 

[tarosean]

You have multiple safes, yet none of your guns are safe queens? I easily get 50-60 guns (combination of handguns and long guns) in each of my safes.

Either you have some very small safes, or you shoot a LOT of different guns every day to prevent them from becoming safe queens!

Perhaps my definition of a queen might differ than yours? I consider it something that will never be shot/NIB, etc.

 

[HexHead]

I've got a P30, and like it enough that I just ordered a HK45, both with LEM triggers. The ergonomics of the P30 grip easily outshines all it's competitors with it's fully interchangeable panels. When I brought it home, I showed it to my wife, who's first comment was how good it felt in her hand. We then got out her Gen4 G17, and did a side by side comparison. She evaluated trigger pull, feel, fit & finish, slide to frame fit and said, "No wonder it costs twice as much as my Glock, it's a much nicer gun". My P30 is the first pistol I've had with an easily and readily discernible trigger reset point. It's very easy to "ride the reset" and shoot it very accurately.

To the guy that said a Nighthawk doesn't do anything a Kimber won't do, well, he doesn't know what he doesn't know. I had a Nighthawk when I had two Kimbers. Shot side by side, the Nighthawk shot groups half the size.

For those of you that think lower priced guns will do everything a HK will do....a P30 went 95,000 rounds in a recent test without a stoppage. The HK45 did 50,000 rounds over an 8 month period with only two stoppages, one a bad primer and the other a broken trigger spring at about 38,000 rounds. The gun was cleaned 7 times during the test. According to Larry Vickers, the HK45 shocked him, shooting as accurately as custom 1911s. To me, they're worth the premium.

 

[Paul7]

I find HKs to be overpriced, and to have mediocre triggers. Recently shot a P30 and was unimpressed. Prefer my Beretta PX4 Storm at half the price.

 

[usp9]

I paid $500 for my Stainless Vertec 92fs and only $400 for my USP. What does that mean... anything?

They're both great guns FWIW.

 

[RX-79G]

HK is one of the only gun companies in existence that spends any money on fundamental Research and Development. The "couple of Mauser employees" comment ignores the fact that these guys have made so many amazing new firearms types that were widely adopted by militaries, despite their novel method of operation.

Comparing that to companies like Glock that can't make an out of battery safety or the many S&W and XD recalls you read about all the time, I think there is something to be said for a company that gets things right the first time, even when offering a market changing mechanism.


If price and value are the bottom line, don't buy an HK. But don't buy a Glock, Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Colt, FN or Beretta, either. They are all phenomenally overpriced when compared to something like a Canik (which is probably more reliable than some on that list).

 

[jjones45]

Almost all guns are overpriced, some more than others. Hk's are good, accurate, reliable, expensive, good looking guns. Nothing more, nothing less