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I am considering moving to Minneapolis after I graduate. There are plenty of jobs up there for me, and the pay is decent. I know it gets cold. My wife (originally from Maine) and I would much rather live somewhere cold, than somewhere where it never snows.

I am interested in learning about:
1. General livability
2. Gun friendliness
3. Housing prices
4. Commutes/traffic
5. Outdoor activities
6. Anything else you think is relevant.

Thanks,

Bryce
 
brufener said:
I am considering moving to Minneapolis after I graduate. There are plenty of jobs up there for me, and the pay is decent. I know it gets cold. My wife (originally from Maine) and I would much rather live somewhere cold, than somewhere where it never snows.

I am interested in learning about:
1. General livability
2. Gun friendliness
3. Housing prices
4. Commutes/traffic
5. Outdoor activities
6. Anything else you think is relevant.

Thanks,

Bryce
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1. Those that like the change-of-seasons lifestyle find MN to be very nice. The Minneapolis area can get as cold as -30 or more, and over 100 in the Summers. That is rare, but can happen. We don't have hurricanes, we have tornadoes and mosquitos...and lots and lots of lakes.

2. the Brady folks give Minnesota an average rating...meaning that there are some good things about gun laws...and some crappy ones. MN is a "shall issue" State; without that, people in the Hennepin/Ramsey County metro area would have no permits for the most part. Minnesota Permit process is a bit costly...you need a class (about $100) and an application fee to the local Sheriff ($100 in most cases). The metro area has a few nice indoor ranges that are well stocked and staffed; a few nice gun stores also in the area, along with a plethora of Gander Mtn and Sportsmans Warehouse stores. One very nice retailer is the Frontiersman in Hopkins (?) ..ask for Marv.

To purchase in MN (without a waiting period) you need either a Permit to Purchase (free...good for one year..unlimited purchases) or the carry permit. No assault weapons legislation, no mag restsrictions; fulll auto OK, but supressors are illegal.

Very good actually on where you can carry with the Permit...even into bars...and you could drink also if you choose and be carrying (.04 limit). No limit on number of guns to buy a month.

3. new housing in the popular suburbs is in the $200K-up to the skys the limit; I think rents are high, but that is just me. It is not the cheap housing market as some other areas of the country; also, heating prices are skyrocketing due to fuel oil, natural gas and propane costs. That will reflect in rent also.

4. the interstate system is always in a state of repair; although I live outside the metro area now, I think that the roads are vastly over crowded and often filled with idiot drivers; some light rail, decent buses; no subway or El type public transport for the most part;

5. lots of activities...major sports...culture etc; downtown Mpls has a lot of the hip-hop stuff...but also getting more violent; not a lot of gang activity, but there is some and getting worse I suspect; Mpls and St. Paul schools (pubclic schools) have a very poor reputation

6. I am in the Detroit Lakes area (NW MN) and am ready to move to warmer places after nearly 60 years here...getting too old for the cold.
 
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I like Minnesota because the summers are great and when it snows here the snow stays on the ground. I've lived in places further south and I really dislike cold, wet, muddy winters. I just don't see the point. You can do a lot more outside during the winter with snow on the ground. Just get a good parka and a good pair of winter boots, hat and gloves and you're good to go.

Suggested places to live (bear in mind I'm a Minneapolis guy - maybe some St. Paul folks can chime in).

-SW Minneapolis between Lyndale Ave and France Avenue (streets are alphabetical west of Lyndale - going through the alphabet once and then A-F at France). South of Lake Street (which is 30th) and North of 56th. Minneapolis has a chain of lakes and creeks that are surrounded by a large parkway system of hiking trails and biking/rollerblading trails. You will pay more to live in the city near these parks and lakes, but it's well worth it. You can get more for your $$ in the suburbs, but you will pay $300K+ for a ~1200 sf 3br expansion bungalow in SW Mpls. near the lakes. Now is a great time to buy.
-St. Louis Park - the closest western suburb. Especially where it's close to Minneapolis.
-Northeast Minneapolis near the Mississippi river and very close to Downtown.
-South Minneapolis within a few blocks of Minnehaha Creek.

-Edina, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, Plymouth, Maple Grove and West Bloomington are nice suburbs, but suburbs are not my speed.

-If you want to live out a ways, you can get some land and still be somewhat close to the city in Farmington, Lakeville, Rogers and other places. Afton and Stillwater are very nice - along the beautiful St. Croix river.

St. Paul is a different world for me - that's where we keep the law schools/lawyers and politicians :)

Other Minnesota upsides:
-Northwest Airlines is based here with a hub, so you have direct flights all over the world. Also -- the airport is close to the city. I consider this a plus, although there is airplane noise.
-Lots of public hunting land throughout the state.
-Great fishing.
-Skiing, snowmobiling, sledding.
-Boating in the summer.
-Duluth, MN and the North Shore of Lake Superior are stunningly beautiful - but cold and getting more commercialized.
-Great bars and restaurants.
-Great music scene.
-Lots of young people that get out and do things.
-Pro and NCAA football, baseball, basketball and hockey.
-Northern League Baseball - outdoors.
-There are some good pistol ranges somewhat close to the city.
-We now have concealed carry.

Downsides:
-Lots of blissninnies and liberals - especially near the cities.
-Theses folks tend to find ways to continually improve the nanny state.
-Due to restrictive laws...There is only ONE gun dealer in Minneapolis - although there are many good ones in near suburbs.
-High taxes.
-It is cold here - fall does not last ling and Spring is muddy.
-Lots of mosquitoes in the summer.
-The Vikings WILL break your heart.
-People in MN stay here, so people tend to be somewhat "clique-ee" (sp?), or so I've been told. This probably also has something to do with the cold weather and the Scandinavian heritage.
-Not a whole lot of rifle shooting competitions or ranges. You can find them, but they are well outside the city.
-Al Franken is moving back here to run for the U.S. Senate.:barf:

Best of luck -- pm me if you have any specific questions.
 
Sure. Im from Minneapolis. Here are some facts Ive acquired after 10+ years living here.

-If you want a good neighborhood try southside or eastside or the suburbs of the Twin Cities. I've lived in Northside Minneapolis where houses are feet apart only, gangstas running the streets, drugs being sold on every corner, but most of these activities are on Dowling ,Lowry, Broadway, Oliver, 26th, and of that area. A few weeks ago my Acura Legend got g-rode and a few weeks after a priest found it in a church lot. The interior was all banged up and the car was no good. Im surprised these low life bastards didn't take my boxing gloves. Some Loation mother ****er came to my house a few days before this occurance and asked if my Legend was for sale. I said no. A few days later it's gone. What's worse is I have to pay for the towing bill. :fire: :fire: :fire:

-I've had a pistol pointed ten feet from my face in Northside Minneapolis by a black man. I've been carjacked. I've been in multiple fights non-gang related FYI. I've seen many things within these ten years. Some occuring to me in my younger years and some I've witnessed while staying legit and repenting for my sins.

-As for your kids. If you want them to grow up in a good environment, neighborhood, and school especially try the southside or eastside of minneapolis. What's better is to spend a few more grands on a house outside of minneapolis where everyone smiles back when you smile at them and not closed eyebrows with squirming eyes that lock on you until you are out of view. Believe me. I know these damn streets because I once roamed it.

-Cost of living isn't that expensive except for the southside and eastside, of course, by not a huge margin, but one enough to have you working a few more years to pay off that house. Im pretty sure you can figure out why it's more expensive than northside. Minnesota doesn't Tax clothes so thats +1 for the wife.

-Traffic is crazy between 1-5pm on 94, 252, 169, and especially 35. Expect this everyday and even more on fridays and saturdays. It's not as worse as Chicago or Milwaukee that's for sure!

-Don't expect to do any outdoors activity in the cities. They do have a few ranges outside of Minneapolis/St. Paul that I visit once in a while. Anything outdoors is usually done a few miles outside of the city.

-One more thing. If you live in northside and walk alone during night fall I suggest equipping a pistol around your waist because it is very common to get robbed around a corner. Once "they" eye you it's like a cheetah with a young antelope on its mind. Just stay in your house and mind your own business, but if all these doesn't meet your requirements I suggest a different city. Besides, why listen to a stranger online huh??

P.S. I hope you're talking about Minneapolis MINNESOTA??
 
I agree with what Paul stated. One clarification, though: the purchase (or a carry) permit is required for handguns and (allegedly) "semi-automatic, military-style weapons". I say allegedly, as I didn't present any paper when I picked up an AR-15 a few years ago. Purchase permits are free, good for a year, and take just a few days to acquire. They're a minor pain; get a carry permit and you won't need a purchase permit.

Carry of handguns is pretty decent here. No need to conceal, few off-limits places - schools, day care centers, courtrooms - no prohibition in publicly owned buildings (city, county and state, that is. The Feds still restrict/prohibit). Open carry doesn't generally panic the locals.

If you're a hunter or fisherman there are plenty of opportunities for both. Tons of artsy-fartsy stuff in the twin cities. Skiing, snowmobiling, sledding, camping, hiking (mosquitos in summer, though) and other outdoor recreation activities abound.

Traffic is probably average for a 2.5-million population center. If you like city, as in urban, in-close living, commuting and housing should be better than suburban. A 40-50 mile commute is not uncommon here. Some travel 70-80 miles one way into the city.

Minnesota has a state income tax. I think the max rate is 8%. Sales tax (6.5%) on non-essential things; food (except restaurant), clothing, etc. are tax-exempt. Real estate taxes are about average, I suppose. There are no personal-property taxes at the state level. Auto license fees are based upon the value of the vehicle. If you come in from out of state, you may have to pay a "use" tax (in lieu of a sales tax) to register your vehicle(s). May; I've not brought one in from outside.

I'm a metro escapee, having left there in '96. After 13 years in the metro area, it was time to make a move. I grew up in farm country, and have returned to it. It's an OK place to visit but I can't live there any more.

JB
 
minnesota is very gun freindly in fact when my wife moved here from new hampshire she said she thought a war had broke out with all the guns being carried around,(it was hunting season) . It can get cold here but there's plenty to do here like snowmobiling,skiing,ice fishing,hunting :eek:r the other route you can catch a flick,go to a play or dinner theater,there are many very fine restraunts in the minneapolis area ,which where im from we call the cities,im about 90 miles northwest of minneapolis in a town called littlefalls.Be ready to travel alot in a car if you live very far from minneapolis.Its not out of the ordinary to travel 30 miles to go shopping and maybe out to eat,its not bad in the summer but in the winter it can be an adventure.We have many lakes here ,fishing is a big pastime as well as boating and water skiing.The summers: somedays can be hot and sticky but usually its absolutely fantastic.We have a very strong pollution control system here so the air is pretty clean and the water as well.The education system here is second to none,its a great place to raise a kid or two.Like anywhere most people are freindly but you can still run into a butthead or two.There is alot less traffic here compared say massachutesettes.We have the largest mall in america here justly named the megamall which is located in the minneapolis area and there are two very nice zoos near minneapolis named como park and the minnesota zoo,the minnesota zoo is nicer of the two.I have tried to live in newhampshire in fact i lived there for 2 years but just had to move back to minnesota.You will have to gear down here,minnesota has a easy going state of being.If you want to move somewhere where you can find work but want to live closer to the country you may want to look at St.cloud Minnesota,which has many attractions including a university and a very good hospital,with many stores and restarunts and growing industrial areas.Well i could go on but time tells me to move on hope this helps you a little,to sum things up I love minnesota and i think you will as well good luck to you and yours..........GRIZZ
 
Unless you like "big city", I'd stay away from Minneapolis. Some other great places to live in Minnesota are Winona, Detroit Lakes, St. Cloud, and Rochester.

People are great in MN. They can be somewhat reserved, but are open-minded and down-to-earth once you break the ice.

There are bastions of liberals, but they are generally the "handguns are naughty, but I love to shoot ducks with my 870" type.
 
If it snows, rains, is too cloudy, too sunny or any little thing happens to cause traffic to slow down, it will mess up the entire system.

Bring lots of money to buy a house.
 
What are going to be doing? That might help clarify where the posters can help point you out to think about looking for housing?

Clarification - The Full Auto are C&R guns only!

Gun shopping is pretty good. We have one of the best gunshops in the state in the west Metro, in the Gunstop in Minnetonka - the reloading supply and equipment inventory is second to none! If they do not have it, you do not need it! Cabelas just opened a store in Rogers, and there is one down the interstate in Owatonna. Gander Mtn. has more then a few stores in the metro area, and just about every corner of the state. Sportsmans Warehouse (Coon Rapids/St. Cloud) has two locations in the state, and one more coming in the east metro. Scheels has stores in the outstate area Moorhead, Mankato, and St. Cloud.

Shooting sports: SASS, IPSC, USPSA, IDPA, BR, High Power - XC, F Class, and Palma.

DPMS is based in St. Cloud and they own a range Del Tone that hosts their factory. They host a 3 gun shoot each year. They have a very good record of really dealing at the bigger gun shows in the metro, the MN Weapons Collectors shows usually in St. Paul or Mpls.

You have world class health care with the U of MN and Mayo Clinic.

Shooting Ranges in the metro:
All the outdoor ranges are club ranges, with some offering limited public hours part of the year, ie Oakdale, and others that are membership only.



We have some very good training opportunities here as Defensive Edge is headquarted in the cities.
 
Okay, sounds like you've got the work and climate thing sort of put together already. Here's my take on the state from a "foreigner's" point of view. (Moved here in '02 from PRK.)

1. Pretty decent place to live. I'm not in an urban area -- closest metro area is Fargo-Moorhead. ("What? Fargo is considered a METRO area?! :D ) I have found that small town friendliness is somewhat of an urban legend. People do pull together in crises, but other than that, many pretty much stay in their cliques.

2. I think the rural areas are a bit more gun-friendly. I think the "shall issue" status helps, but LEOs out here pretty much know the local good guys/bad guys. Pretty much EXPECTED to have shotgun/rifle for deer, waterfowl, etc.

3. Housing is way less expensive than either coast. Lakefront property is getting pricey fast, but much more reasonable. If my parents' tract home in the SF area was sold, it would buy at least two "quarters" out here (quarter of a square mile of land). Prices are rising though.

4. Hah! Commute traffic? They think there's traffic here? They moan and complain when the traffic slows down for a couple of miles. Nothing on LA, SF area, even Sacramento. The biggest nuisance to me is that it seems that the delays are not very consistent (perhaps I've just not commuted on those routes in the Twin Cities area enough to get used to the patterns). And you DO know that there are three seasons in MN, right? -- almost winter, winter, still winter, and road construction.

5. Seems most people don't feel there's much to do outside in the Cities area. In Greater Minnesota (everywhere else), lots of fishing, boating, hunting, some shooting. LOTS of mosquitoes in summer (well, from late spring to mid fall).

6. Again, a pretty decent place to live. Not very ethnically diverse once you leave the Cities. Many fairly remote places (nearest McDonald's is 35 miles :) ). A bazillion acres of corn, soybeans, etc. Not necessarily my dream location, but we'll be staying for the duration. My wife's from here, and I'm getting used to it.
 
The little I know about Minnesota comes from Prairie Home Companion.
 
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Ah, Minnesota! The land of 10,000 lakes and 10,000 taxes. Taxes are pretty high here; I think we're in the top 4 or 5 most heavily taxed states. Our property taxes have doubled in the last five years. Housing can very in price; I live in Minneapolis, near the U of MN. Housing has really jumped up here. Duplex that I own has went up in value from $79,000(1996) to more than 230,000 today. As you leave the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area, houses become more affordable. People make choices about cheap housing or long commutes. Take your pick. The job market is pretty good here; when things are good in the US, they're better here. When things are bad in the US, they're not quite as bad here. The traffic has become worse over the last 10 years. It will continue to get worse. Crime is like any other city; we have bad neighborhoods and not so bad neighborhoods. Avoid parts of north and south Minneapolis. Those neighborhoods are responsible for most of the crime here. Winter can be miserable here if you're not into it; make sure you have some skis/snowboard/snowmobile for some winter recreation, along with ice fishing. You have to find some sort of winter activity or you will go insane. Extreme cold weather keeps crime down though. Summers are warm and humid with our famous mosquitoes. Get used to your favorite girl smelling like bug spray. You'll get over it. Schools are pretty good, and generally it's not too bad of a place to live. However, when we retire, we are thinking about spending winters someplace warm, and taking up residency someplace more tax friendly like Texas. Oh, and we now have shall issue CCW laws here now. Lots of woods to go hunting/shooting as well. Do some research, ask some questions and see what you think. You could do much worse than the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area.
 
First I want to thank everyone for all the info so far. I have been to Minneapolis once for an interview, and liked it. I have done a good bit of research on the internet, but it is helpful to hear lots of opinions to really get a feel for a place.

Quick background - I am from Oregon, my wife is from Maine. I attended college in Utah, and am now in Virginia for law school. The wife and I just want a nice town where we can raise our kids in a normal (i.e. traditional conservative type) setting. We're not too excited about traffic and housing prices on the coasts. We're also considering the major cities in Ohio, Wilmington, DE, and Milwaukee, WI.

What are going to be doing? That might help clarify where the posters can help point you out to think about looking for housing?
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I am graduating law school, and will be working in patent law. I am blessed to be attending a reputable law school, so I can get a job anywhere in the US. The one drawback is that it has to be at least a medium sized city or larger. Small cities don't have enough patent work for me.

There are two kinds of houses we are looking at, and we haven't decided what we want yet. 1. A house is a nice suburb, with good public schools. We don't expect a lot of land, and know property taxes will be high. 2. A house and a couple acres in a semi-rural area, where property taxes are (hopefully) lower. We'd probably send our kids to private school. I'd like to keep my commute (most likely be working in downtown area) to 30 or 45 minutes max each way.

Maybe I should just live in St. Paul; one poster suggested that there are lots of lawyers that live there.

Keep the information coming!

Thanks,

Bryce
 
Some links

After living here my whole life, and going to school where, rumor has it, I lived on Lake Wobegon ;) - I must say that anything I'd write has already been said.

That being the case, here's a few links - I'm sure you can use google, but since they're bookmarked for me I'll save you the effort.

Crime stats for the Twin Cities (literally, St Paul and Minneapolis):
http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/crime-statistics/
http://www.stpaul.gov/depts/police/ca_1.html

The two indoor ranges in the metro area (if you know of more, remind me):
http://www.billsgs.com/
http://www.bvpistol.com/ - Burnsville Pistol is my personal choice; Richard, who is always working, has been great for helping me with transfers, and in general knows a ton.

Where I buy my Speer Gold Dot's - it's a police supply store in Golden Valley, and has a pretty cool showroom with all the 'toys' out to play with. With limited exception, they don't care if you're civilian or leo when you're buying stuff.
http://www.streichers.com/

And, finally, if you want to chat with some other locals, stop in to a local shooting forum: http://www.twincitiescarry.com/forum - it's hosted by Joel Rosenberg, a local permit-to-carry instructor, activist, and otherwise good guy. He also wrote a book, "Everything You Need to Know about (Legally) Carrying a Handgun in Minnesota" - you can read an excerpt here.
 
I've lived in the Mpls.-St. Paul metro area my whole 49 years, but I've also spent some time in most of the rest of the country (the biggest exception being your neck of the woods, the Pacific northwest). So, my thoughts:

The metro area has a population of over 2.5 million, with the attendant amenities and disadvantages you'd expect. With very few exceptions, the amenities are better than comparable areas, and the disadvantages are less pronounced than comparable areas.

The winters are definitely cold, and there's usually a couple weeks a year when it's really cold. The summers can get hot and humid. If this will drive you nuts, you probably shouldn't move here. Most people just accept it, and it gives them something to talk about on the elevator with strangers. The local newscasts devote an extraordinary amount of time to the weather.

If you live in the city, the mosquitos really aren't bad at all. If you live in a northern bog, you will not believe how bad they are.

The fishing and hunting are very good. If you like to canoe, there's probably nowhere better than the Boundary Waters Canoe Area up north. The north shore of Lake Superior is also a pretty neat area (and may remind your wife of coastal Maine).

The local economy is pretty diverse and tends to be more consistent than much of the country. Good mix of tech, Fortune 500, agriculture, service, etc.

There is a fair number of decent clubs and restaurants, and we've come a long way from 25 years ago when chow mein was regarded as an exotic ethnic meal. (Part of the reason for this is that the city itself has become more ethnically diverse.) Still, you will not mistake downtown Minneapolis for NYC. Having said that, the local theater scene, if you're into that, is first-rate.

If you're a young (say, 25-ish) professional couple with no kids, you probably have 3 "best" housing choices, statistically speaking. First would be southwest Minneapolis, including the south part of the city from around Lake Nokomis west, and south of Minnehaha Creek. Nice housing stock, a lot of brick Tudors on small lots, pretty safe neighborhoods, close to the lakes. Second choice would be a condo or loft or townhome close to downtown. This market is really exploding. The third choice would be a suburb, and there the choices are all over the map. Most yuppies prefer the western and southern suburbs, in that order. Most of the suburban public schools tend to be pretty good, relatively speaking. I suppose St. Paul is also an option, but I don't know a lot about it. (Is it in Minnesota?) The better neighborhoods tend to be toward the southwest part of the city. You mentioned the possibility of getting a couple acres in a semi-rural area, with a 30- to 45-minute commute time. This is still possible, but it's quickly becoming almost impossible. Of course, if it rains or snows the commute time will double...

I know there are some good patent law firms in the city, but I don't know anything about them. Last I read, a year or two ago, they were paying new associates about $120K starting salary, but I think most of the new hires had an advanced degree beyond law. You probably have a better handle on this than I do.

The politics tend toward the liberal, but it's become a lot closer in recent years.

In a nutshell, I think it's a pretty good choice for a young couple that wants to have the advantages of a large metro area but also wants to raise a family in a pretty safe place with relatively good schools. If you're looking for glamour, excitement, mountains, oceans, you'll be disappointed.
 
A lot of it has been said already, and Minnesota is a place that seems to retain its population. We seem to be importing others at a relatively steady rate, which has its ups (talented people) and downs (getting packed, get off my land!).

Another thing goes unmentioned is that Minnesota is one of the intellectual centers of the U.S. and is definitely the intellectual nexus of the mid-west. This state is a massive talent factory. Minnesota has a hugely disproportionate number of Fortune 500 companies compared to its size, and is particularly important in the medical field (Mayo, UMN, Guidant, Medtronic, Boston Scientific, St. John's, others), and you may consider aiming your professional aspirations at medical device patent law.

Edit: Building off of what SteelyDan said, the politics are becoming more conservative as the population gets richer. You'll find Minnesota differing from Wisconsin and Illinois more and more regularly.
 
The farther north you go the colder it gets and the better it gets.

My family refers to MSP as "The snake pit".

The bonus about living far up north is that the cold keeps the hippy infestation in the cities in the winter.
 
Better yet, move to western WI!:) Taxes are lower, we will soon have CCW,the state is very gunfriendly otherwise (FA, SBR, SBS, and supressors are not restricted, except pistol caliber SMG's have to be registered with the state),and housing is still lower than in "the Cities" as we call St.Paul/ Mpls. (I grew up in St.Paul, BTW.) If you do move to MN, stay east and north of the Cities, or West of Mpls.,like Delano. Stillwater and Afton are indeed beautiful, but to paraphrase a popular crdit card commercial "Bring your American Express", 'cause homes ain't cheap there! St. Croix County, WI where I live is the fastest growing county in the state, and real estate prices reflect that, although decent prices can still be found. There are still too many of the blisninny hunter types here also.:cuss: But the schools expect most of the boys 6th grade and up, and about half the girls will be absent on Monday after the deer opener, which is nice.;)

BTW, one of the guys on the KQ Morning Show is named Bryce. (KQRS 92.5FM):p
 
brufener said:
There are two kinds of houses we are looking at, and we haven't decided what we want yet. 1. A house is a nice suburb, with good public schools. We don't expect a lot of land, and know property taxes will be high. 2. A house and a couple acres in a semi-rural area, where property taxes are (hopefully) lower. We'd probably send our kids to private school. I'd like to keep my commute (most likely be working in downtown area) to 30 or 45 minutes max each way.
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Bryce
#2 will pretty much be out, unless your and my definition of semi rural is different. If your lot is two+ wooded acres and so is everyone else around you, with a 45 minute commute, good luck. There are lots like that in Inver Grove, but you are talking huge money. Lakeville maybe, but again, lots of money and although people will say that's a 45 minute commute, door to door - its not.

Property taxes within 60 miles of the cities will not be lower. You have to get way outstate to get that - and then if you are remotely close to a decent sized city (12k+), they will be high.
 
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Or, out of state. Lots of Western WI is within 60 miles of the Cities.;)
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Yeah, but then you'd have to live in WISCONSIN! :)

Seriously though, property taxes in west WI are rising, although with the "retooling" of the MN state property tax system, we've been hit especially hard lately.

Like I stated in my last post, a 60 mile commute door to door is not 60 minutes. Probably why radio shows are so popular around here is because people spend a lot of time in their cars.
 
A lot of folks hit on the major things about MN. I'll try to speak to your field, patent law. MN has a very diverse economic base (lots of different industries) and a lot of companies have their research and development sites here. I've personally worked in two industries that have a huge need for patent law, medical device and semiconducter/computer components. Career wise, I think this would be a good place for you.

I'm also one of those folks who do a 45 mile commute into the Twin Cities daily. I live West of the metro and work in the NW suburbs. Housing seems to be cheaper West of the metro.

Ryan
 
If you are interested, there are machine gun shoots twice a year outside Princeton, MN., about an hour north of Minneapolis/St. Paul.

Minnesota is pretty, but has an awful lot of liberals for my taste.
It tickeled me to go there and shoot MGs, not far from Lake Wobegon, several years ago.

There's a good Minnesota military museum at Camp Ripley outside Little Falls. It's worth a trip, if you are at all interested in what units from Minnesota did in America's various wars.

When I was a kid I visited the headwaters of the Mississippi but was too young to remember it. It's on my list of things to do in Minnesota.
 
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