Testing reloads for M1 & M1A

DustyRusty

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Waiting for the good weather today paid off.
All the time needed and a nice sunny day in the 70’s.
I had the short range all to myself to test some loadings for the Garand and M1a.

My competition days have past and hopes are that the sons & grandsons will enjoy these reloads with me on range days at 200 yards or less.

I used 168 grain Hornady’s today for both rifles and they seem to be fine so far. But I am wondering. Will152 grain bullets would be just fine and maybe less recoil?
 
I started out with Varget years back. Camp Perry was where I always looked for powder deals & no hazmat fee. One year they didn't have any Varget to speak of but tons of RE-15.
Many people started with RE-15 that year. I have three big jugs of RE-15 left but no Varget. I think Alliant Powders Inc. missed the oppotunity to keep market share that year.
 
I started out with Varget years back. Camp Perry was where I always looked for powder deals & no hazmat fee. One year they didn't have any Varget to speak of but tons of RE-15.
Many people started with RE-15 that year. I have three big jugs of RE-15 left but no Varget. I think Alliant Powders Inc. missed the oppotunity to keep market share that year.
Did you mean Hodgdon missed the opportunity to keep market share that year? (or am I missing something)
 
No, your not missing a thing. My bad.
Hodgdon Varget lost market share that year and Alliant RE-15 gained it.
 
When the M1a ruled the firing line the bullet choice was uniformly the 168 grain match bullet. If someone wanted low recoil for standing and sitting, any 125 grain bullet would do the trick. The primary reason the 168 ruled was due to the gas system and the selection of match bullets available to the shooter. Few highpower shooters have access to a 300 and 600 yard range, so bullet choices were made by looking at claimed ballistic coefficients and load data. Shooters wanted to use the bullet with the highest ballistic coefficient. While a 190 SMK has a much higher ballistic coefficient than a 168, a 190 is hard on the rifle. (I never tried 190's). The military match bullet, the 174 gr FMJBT was the best ballistic coefficient in its weight class, but the bullet was a FMJ bullet, which are never as consistent as the hollow point bullets. For competition shooters, the 168 gr Sierra Match King bullets were accepted as the standard.

At 100 yards, 17 rounds on target, the old 174 FMJ will hold the ten ring in a 30-06.

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I don't remember when Sierra made the 175 Sierra Match King. The shape of this bullet copies the military bullet but the jacket and weight distribution were much better. As I recall, the introduction of the 175 SMK was after the Army won the 1995 National Matches with their M16's, and in just a few years, the M1a faded from the firing lines. I doubt the 175 SMK would have kept the M1a on the line longer, as the rifle simply kicked too much. And the ballistic coefficient of the 175 is not hugely better at 600 yards than the 168. As the Marines told me in 1997, the year the USMC Rifle team went 100% M16, their standing scores were about the same, scores and X counts were a little better in rapid fire, and the 5.56 was a little worse at long range. The improvement in groups at 200 sitting rapid fire and 300 prone rapid fire were the primary reason the 5.56 rifles displaced the M1a. I shot both and I had a lot more time to aim in the rapids with the 5.56 as the gun did not recoil as much and kick me out of position. You could have the shooting position of an invertebrate, and yet still shoot well with the AR15. You had to have a perfect, strong, position to shoot an M1a. It was position, position, position. And sight alignment and trigger pull.

Since a 125 would do all you wanted at 200 yards in the M1a, and the 168 had the better ballistics, 150 grain match bullets were more or less, a curiosity. Not that 150 grain don't shoot well. If you push them fast enough they will stay ballistic at 600 yards. If your barrel is a 1:10 or 1:12 twist, it will put 150 grain match bullets in a knot at whatever distances you can hold them.

Now if you are talking 152 grain pull down bullets, that is something else. Someone can look up the spec, but those are maybe 3 to 4 MOA bullets. There is absolutely no need to make match grade bullets that will shoot in machine guns, or, service rifles.

An excellent load, considering the gas system on a M1a, is a 150 SMK with 42.5 grains IMR 4895.

I want to give an honorable mention to the 150 grain Hornady FMJBT bullets. They are one of the better 308 FMJ's on the market, and held the ten ring, more or less, at 300 yards in my M70 PBR.

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Accurate Arms AA2520 had a following in the M1a. Accurate Arms blended this ball powder to the same pressure curve as IMR 4895. Since it threw better, that appealed to those who believe that throwing better means shooting better. It shot well enough, but left a lot of residue in my gas system. Since I purchased 8 pound kegs of AA2520 for $54.00 on Commercial Row, I ended up shooting a lot of AA2520. Wish I had purchased even more AA250.
 
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No, your not missing a thing. My bad.
Hodgdon Varget lost market share that year and Alliant RE-15 gained it.
That's what I thought you meant. I totally agree with you. Even if stocks are low they should have made an effort to have some at the match.

I meant to mention AA2520 like above. It has earned the nickname "The Camp Perry Powder." AA2520 is the ball powder equivalent of AA2495. AA2495 was developed to mimic IMR4895 which was the original powder used in the M1 Garand ammo. If you get a chance or if you find it hard to find RL15 in the future give it a try.

This is a good thread, thanks...
 
~150's will shoot well enough in both the M1a and Garand, it's largely all I use in both, but remember... 'quality in, quality out.' Don't expect equivalent accuracy from cheapo FMJ bullets when run up against a quality 168grn bullet.

My Garand load forever has been 47grn IMR4895 and any 145-150grn FMJ bullet. Nice, easy to shoot, reliable. You can do the same, in the same general charge weight, with IMR4064, Varget, and similar speed powders.
 
I started out with Varget years back. Camp Perry was where I always looked for powder deals & no hazmat fee. One year they didn't have any Varget to speak of but tons of RE-15.

I was there that year, and got a 5# jug of RE15 out of desperation. I've been using it up recently for my 75 and 80 gr. .223 loads. I think it meters better than Varget, but Varget is available again and my favorite, most versatile powder. I have switched back to IMR 4895 for my Garand ammo.

Based on your intended use I don't think that match bullets are necessary. M2 ball has always performed closely with 168 match ammo at 200 yds. and less for me.
 
Slamfire always has the best explanations, especially when it comes to M1s - so read his stuff closely. As for my personal experience - I have my best load tuned with Hornady 168s and bought a bunch of factory seconds, so I have no need to use any other bullet whether it is for casual shooting or military rifle competition. My experience in my rifle is the 168gr bullet is significantly superior to 150gr.
 
Thank you so much for your great responses.
I agree Cheif, I have been reading Slamfires advise for a long long time.
And the AA2520 info is Compelling. Might test some of that.
I have some of Jeff Bartlett's +/- 152 gn pull down "projectiles" that I'll have to compare.
 
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