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Maybe I oughta stop busting my head beating it against the wall....

Did a couple back to back doubles this week, and needed to go burn some ammo up slaying evil clay frisbees. So off to PGC went I.

There was a trapshoot in progresss,so us non registered shotgunners were exiled to ranges 10 and 11,probably so we wouldn't pollute the rarified air near the regulated ranges.

There was a small crowd at 11. A mix of regulars and non regulars, there was folk using pumps, autos and doubles of both orientations. The trap wasn't set to regulation speed and height, it threw the birds higher and faster than usual.

Did I mention the nice breeze? Call it gusts to 20 MPH, and switching from quartering in to straight from behind. I checked the wind, grinned and got my ammo out. Fun time.....

As we waited, I talked to a shooter who I had seen once or twice. He had two sons with him, the oldest about 14 and the youngest 6. The elder was lined up to shoot for the first time with his new Browning Gold 20 gauge.

Right nice starter shotgun. Wish I had started with one.

I set up on Post 1 and the young man on 2. His dad was walking him through, and there was an immediate problem. Dad lined him up in that 90 degrees off the line often seen in offhand riflery that's as useless as a parachute on a submarine for shotgunning. There were other issues, and the young'un hit 2 his first round.

The little voice in my head was nudging me and saying something like" You have the time,experience and opportunity to get this kid started right. Why haven't you offered your services?"....

So, I offered my services. One minute later we figured out the young man is right handed, left eye dominant, and he know what his options were. I suggested since he was brand spanking new, we shift him over to the sinistral side. I had him square up so his lead foot was pointing at the break zone. I did the Shotgun 101 thing and walked him through his next round. He hit about half of them, and the grin when he got powder was worth it.

Naturally, he got directions here, so he may be into the 101 threads now. Hopefully he is.

I shot another round, and the kid did OK again. After, we talked about the angles needing a little more lead than the straightaways, and keeping the firing elbow up until form gells for consistency. I mentioned practicing mounts at home and why.

Next round was his Dad's turn. He shot 90 degrees also,took enough time to give me the idea he was aiming and missed maybe 18 out of 25. He seemed OK with that. As I headed the Jeep back, I wondered about some things....

Why did he not pay attention? He was there breathing in every word as I instructed his son.

Why did he not realize that his son now shot better than he did after one short lesson?

This man was NOT an idiot nor jerk. He cared about his kids getting started right, which is why he plunked down mucho dinero on his son's first shotgun.

But, he seems unable to realize that what works for his son will work for him.

Any ideas?....
 
Habit, perhaps? She's a harsh mistress sometimes, for sure.

Good of you to help the kid get started right, diagnosing cross dominance should be the absolute first thing done with a new shooter, before they pull the first trigger. The point-finger-close-one-eye test isn't rocket science, you can try that at home.

lpl/nc
 
First off, good job with the kid! If we all do that every once in a while, our sport will thrive forever.

As to the dad...

I've got a good friend with whom I shoot regularly. I convinced him to go duck hunting and clay shooting with me this past fall, and he's been hooked ever since. I've coached him as best I can, and for the most part, he listens. His biggest weakness is not believing what I've told him and what he's experienced. He'll be shooting a tough crosser, and I'll tell him "You need at least 3 to 4 feet of lead." He'll break the first one, but his head tells him "You're just shooting at nothing." By the next bird, he's not giving it as much lead. By the third or fourth, he's shooting when he's directly on the target and missing behind.

Now, I've suggested over and over that he spend $20 and get an hour-long lesson with one of the instructors at the clubhouse. The instructor is very good (and affordable), and I feel confident my friend would see his scores pick up quite a bit.

He won't do it. He freely admits he won't do it. :banghead:

It's not the money. He just thinks that it's something he should be able to figure out on his own. And frankly, he probably will... but it will take far longer and cost more in the long run.

I think it's another example of why guys often don't ask for directions or RTFM. Reliance on others is viewed as a failure. Myself, I know my limitations and prefer teamwork.

... although I still won't ask for directions. :) :D
 
Thanks,folks.

Gunz, nope, #2 was behind the line, wearing muffs and collecting empty hulls.

Lee, too true about habit. And checking dominance is not difficult.

Dad did ask if I gave private lessons, but only for the kid., Sheeesh!!

I hate to ask directions, but I do ask. Maybe that's progress.
 
On that same note, I've found an abundance of useless or bad advice on the trap field. I just about cringe everytime on the local tuesday league shoots when our #2 man starts throwing out advice to the new shooter. His advice in general isn't bad, but I wonder if he heeds his own advice sometimes. I've got to check out and see if my local club gives lessons, I have a hell of a time hitting the bird on hi-house 8 in skeet.
 
Hey CZ, for station 8 back up 10 or 15 feet and shoot the birds. As you break them move forward untill your on station 8. ;)

Had to give the advice, that's one of the easiest stations on skeet once you get the hang of it. :D
 
CZ, advice at the range is worth what you pay for it. Sometimes more, I had a former state champ pass a few things along that greatly helped.
 
Dave,

This sponge will take all the trap shooting advice you care to share. Half the battle is knowing you don't know what you don't don't know. The other half is being willing to learn what you don't know. Now, as for the other remaining halves, I dunno! :banghead:

Work has been a bit more busy of late and has gotten in the way of keeping touch via THR. Hope you've been well. The Winter exercise of using solely the 20ga. seems to have helped get my sight picture more consistent. Scores have improved.

Your post mentioned WIND. You would have either loved or hated it at the beach this past weekend. It was such a gale I wouldn't even put up a kite. In fact, my skinny b*tt almost got blown over once. It would have been verrrrry interesting to have seen a clay on the winds Saturday.

Hope you've been well.


BR...Ted
 
Well enough, Ted. Windy is fun unless one is trying to protect a registered average.

I am willing to pass on what I know, but I know that I don't know it all, and knowing that I don't know it all means I know...............
 
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So, if I know I am left-eye dominant and am now in a position to start shooting a shotgun rather often thanks to a range membership close to home, I would be an idiot if I didn't just shoot left-handed, right?
 
Maybe not an idiot,Goalie, perhaps misguided. There's more to things than whether one is mixed dominance.

One has to do with co-ordination and flexibility. One buddy has hand issues, one index finger got smashed badly and has a loss of sensitivity. He shoots off eyed and does fairtomiddlin'.

T'were I a left handed,left eyed newbie, I'd shoot LH. I'm right handed, mixed eye(meaning my dominance switches to and fro) and shoot better from starboard. I can shoot OK LH, but I refuse to settle for OK.
 
I just found out last year that I was right eye dominant. This is fine except that I am left handed and have been shooting left handed for years now. I keep saying that I'll switch to righty, but it will have to be in the off season from USPSA and trap and skeet.
 
Hmmm. I shoot a handgun right-handed and just have my head such that I am using my left eye with both open. I shoot a rifle as well lefty as righty from a bench, and darn close in the field deer hunting with my muzzle loader. I shoot the puck left-handed when I skate out, and right handed as a goalie (mainly because finding right catch goalie gear was too hard as a kid) and I manage to play goal for the NHL alumni team in Minnesota.

I'm thinking I will give lefty a shot.
 
A couple small things...

Everyone should shoot from the off side enough that it's not an insurmountable problem in an emergency. A few years ago I took a doe shooting my ML sinistrally, and there's been others in the past.

Switching sides is a good idea if one can. However, it's not a panacea, there's folks who for varied reasons do not do well switching. It also requires TOTAL committment for at least 1000 shots and more mounts.
 
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