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Texas CCW strict ?

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Harvester of sorrow,
Laws by the nature of our political system are based on compromise.I would be happier if there were no restcictions on gun ownership but we live in a real word not fantasyland.
I think the Texas law is a good compomise and certaintly is less restrictive than many states.Gun ownership carries alot of responsibility so I don't have a problem with minimum levels of qualification.
If you can't invest the time and money then you don't get it. TOUGH TOODLES!!! Ther are alot of things I can't afford so I don't participate, thats life.
 
I'm due for renewal in a month and a half or so.
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If your license is expiring in ~45 days, you need to get on this, because Austin is pretty backed up right now.
 
Double Naught, you need to be more clear in your rebuttle then and not hide your correction "in the paragraph below" as originally. It looked like you were arrogantly spouting off about my getting the number wrong when you were really only arrogantly correcting my use of the word "reciprocal". :)
Your correction is valid. I use the word reciprocity simply because that is what that stuff is commonly called.


On the permitting, I would like to go to a non-permitted concealed carry. Especially since I was late getting my renewal paperwork sent in and I am sitting without a valid CHL right now. As permits go, I don't have a problem with ours though. The only issue I can think of where a permit helps is in keeping LEO's from assuming you are a criminal with a gun. That is really a different problem though.

On the revolver issue, I just don't like it. I have a number of choices in handguns to carry, but not everyone does or can afford to. You should be proficient with the gun you will use, regardless of what it is. In two CHL classes, I have seen other people who test for a permit who aren't very proficient with any gun. What real difference does it make to single out revolvers? Maybe some instructors could comment on this. I am curious if they think that restriction really makes much difference in the real world.
 
I'll back up wdlsguy. I think you need to get your renewal in 2 months ahead of time. I think they will tell you to allow 45 days. I think they mean business days.
 
is Texas CCW strict ?

Not even slightly...

I like knowing everyone who is packing has passed a background check, and knows BASIC firearms skills...

I also like - personally - the Revolver/SA limitations... My experience has shown me that just like getting licensed to drive a car does not license you to ride a motorcycle or drive a BigRig... poor analogy, perhaps, but some folks will NEVER understand a SA and need to be revo-only people...

NOW - you could make it CHEAPER... :eek: :eek:

Enjoy!
 
Utah

Yes, they do.
On packing.org, they have a state-by-state breakdown of the requirements. Fortunately, there are Utah expatriates living in TX that are qualified to give the test (also listed on the packing.org site, pm me if you can't find it and I''ll do some digging).

I was going to get the Utah non-res to complement my TX, as that would covrer me through LA, MS, AL, FL, GA. I actually contacted a Texas-based Utah instructor. His advice? Get a New Hampshire permit. One page form (also available on packing.org, gee, do I sound like a commercial or what?), no test, $20, less than thirty days later... Voila, I now have a NH non-resident permit.
 
Texas reciprocity has improved to the extent that the only state NH buys you (other than NH) is AL. It's still worth it for that reason alone, in my opinion.
 
Some states are better, some are worse.

I've spent the last month in California and I find my complaining about the "restrictive" nature of the Texas CHL fades into obscurity when I think about the poor residents of California that can't get one at all (in nearly all cases) and myself included since CA offeres no reciprocity or recognition of any other states permits.

I've been in San Diego and Los Angeles for several weeks now working and it sickens me to think it's impossible at all here.

I find that I have to be thankful for what I can get in Texas, even if it sometimes seems "strict".
 
Harvester of Sorrow,
Ok we get it!! Criminals will not comply with the laws! DUH!!The question was about whether the law is restrictive for law abiding people wanting to legally carry.I don't think so!!The Bill Of Rights is not exclusive, its inclusive as it was designed ,but your taking it to the extreme!! Shades of socialism??
 
Shades of socialism??
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No, you are confused. A socialist would favor less freedom for the citizenry, not more. I simply want to establish the point that "common-sense restrictions" on who can get a permit, or "reasonable rules" about where they can carry, doesn't do anyone a service other than criminals and psychopaths. If fewer people have permits, that's good for criminals. If deranged people know that no law-abiding citizen will be carrying a firearm in this bar or restaurant, or that school, they can be certain of a free-fire zone.

Criminals will not comply with the laws!
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Here, you're exactly right. They won't. Laws only affect those who abide by them. Making people who are obviously law-abiding jump through hoops to get a permit seems highly unnecessary, or worse, counterproductive.
 
Yes, the Criminals...

Yes, everyone except for the criminals.
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I agree it is unfortunate that we can not enforce compliance upon criminals - unless we incarcerate them. That is one of the things that MAKES them criminals... Compliance with what is right and good is One of the things that separates US from THEM.

In my opinion, I think you have to ASSUME the following:

  1. that criminals are Criminals - NO BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED...
  2. Criminals are packing ALL of the time...
  3. they Probably know how to use their device of choice...
  4. They are not highly intelligent...
  5. They are NOT good at masking nor controlling their emotions...
  6. They ARE prepared to use their device of choice against you...
Likewise, I just like knowing that if you are NOT a Criminal and you are CCWing, then you have met or exceeded a minimum requirement for knowledge and demonstrable ability.

I rather like that...

Don't you?
 
If deranged people know that no law-abiding citizen will be carrying a firearm in this bar or restaurant, or that school, they can be certain of a free-fire zone.
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You are correct Harvester - this - to me is one of the biggest IRKS about Legal CCW and the Law...

We need to work to get it changed...

We need to work to educate business owners and others that their enforced prohibition puts them at Greater Risk...

We need to work on getting the restrictions lifted... We have done so for churches and hospitals and the like... we do have a ways to go.

One step at a time my Friend... we are getting there... :)
 
Can a TX resident legally use a Utah CCW in Texas?

I searched and couldn't find an answer to this.

I am a California resident and am going to be moving to Texas shortly.

I currently have a Utah CCW and would like to know if I am required by Texas state law to apply for a Texas CCW in order to carry in TX or if I can just use my Utah CCW?

I believe in some states if you are a resident of that state you can't use an out of state CCW.

Cheers!
 
I think Texas should change their rules so that they recognize California ccw, with the exception of members of CA government, until CA recognizes them.
 
It was mentioned in the above posts about a revolver/SA restriction. Is it possible to be qualified in both actions, and if so, can a person complete both qualifications at the same time?

Also, are these qualifications good for any revolver/SA once signed off on, or does the permit list "make/model/caliber" or "make/model/serial" etc.... Is there a limit to how many firearms can be qualified upon or so listed if need be?

Enough questions for now, I'm just starting to think ahead. Hopefully in about 6 months I'll be making my move to TX and I already know for a fact I'll be filling out paperwork ASAP after my relocation.
 
Is it possible to be qualified in both actions, and if so, can a person complete both qualifications at the same time?
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If you qualify with an auto you automatically qualify for a revolver as well so no need to do anything twice.

That would only apply if you started with a revolver then wanted to change to auto later.

if ONE person statewide is dissuaded from getting a concealed carry permit because of the investment necessary, it's too restrictive.
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Well the legislature did include a way to get the fee lowered for low income citizens though I am not sure what the requirements are.
It is too expensive but it appears they did consider low income folks. When it came down to it, the only real argument against CHLs here in Texas was cost of running the program. The few opponents knew they were going to lose so they fought with money. So the cost had to be high enough to cover what DPS at the time estimated it would cost.

As for out of staters, get Florida. EVERYONE should have a Florida permit. Their system is by far the best around, if you have to have a system that is.
 
I am a California resident and am going to be moving to Texas shortly.

I currently have a Utah CCW and would like to know if I am required by Texas state law to apply for a Texas CCW in order to carry in TX or if I can just use my Utah CCW?
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A Texas resident can carry on a Utah CCW.

Please get a Texas CHL when you get settled though. This will allow you to carry in Michigan, South Carolina, Florida and Kansas. It also increases our clout in Austin.
 
armed, in relation to many other states, Texas is very strict. Many prior restraints, many conditions of where one may carry (especially the obsession with alcohol down there), and the cultural resistance that gun carriers received.

It's all where you stand. Compared to California, Texas is a gun-totin' utopia. Compared to Indiana, Texas is a gun-hating hell.

However, Texas is on the right path. I carried in Texas from 1995 to present day. When the reform went into effect it was terrible, "no gun" signs everywhere and a general hysteria about gun carriers.

It is getting better and better down there. E.g., San Antonio, where once I saw rows of gun buster signs, now I see nothing. Where once everyone was hypersensitive about "printing", I was personally surrounded by cops in a gun store in Kerrville (Sheriff's convention) who ignored the fact that I was printing in a tight baja shirt and asked me about deer hunting in Indiana. Even in Austin where I was on walkabout and asked an APD officer where a coffee shoppe was, he looked at me (probably visibly printing from the sweat of the heat), yawned and gave me directions.

Texas serves as an example of how once a reform is passed, it can get better and better.:)
 
My only problem with obtaining a Texas CHL is the price. Comes to about $140. Not every law-abiding, well intentioned Texan can plunk that down without skipping the car because of gas prices and taking the bus, or living on beans for a while.

Seriously, when I got mine I was happy to give a guy a ride who faced just such a situation.

Let's face it folks, we are lucky to be here on our computers discussing the nuances of reciprocal agreements. Lots of good, honest people are so financially squeezed $140 is just too much.

BTW, qualify with a SA and you're good to go with a revolver. Some, if not most, classes provide SA's for the qualifying portion..so Mom could go that route, then just pack her .357.
 
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