that gun just don't like that ammo

[steepcliff]

When we spend alot of money for a gun, should we be satisfied with this statement from the seller. When you go by the owners manual and it stats, to use cip or saami standard ammo.
If they would have stated that a certain ammo is used by them and that they don't have a problem with it.......would we have bought the gun. I say no because most of the time its high dollar ammo and if you shoot alot of rounds a month, we could not afford it.
What do think? Please, lets stop giving these mass producers away out of good old fashion quality.

 

[buck460XVR]

Because manufacturers of quality firearms do not want owners to blame malfunctions from cheap ammo or poor handloads on their firearm. They also may believe that anyone that can afford a quality firearm can afford to put quality ammo thru it. Besides, most all commercially available ammo is manufactured within SAAMI specs.

 

[Sam1911]

It is a pretty well-known fact that each gun has some ammo that it "likes" and some it doesn't. All may be within SAAMI spec but slight differences in bullet weight, COAL, powder charge and burn rate, and other factors will make the difference between a pairing of gun and ammo that shoot accurately together and one that does not. (Or even a pairing that FUNCTIONS and one that does not!)

That's much of the value of handloading: selecting the EXACT combination of components that works best in your gun.

Same holds true for factory ammo. Some, your gun will love. Some, it may just be "ok" with. Some it will shoot poorly.

Not sure how you could expect anything different. But maybe I've misunderstood your sentences.

 

[Eb1]

It should almost be like the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. If you want me to use a specific ammo in a gun then you should buy it for me, but if I use a SAAMI spec ammo, even SAAMI spec hand loads, you should still have to warranty the firearm.
Isn't that why we have SAAMI?

 

[Ramone]

There are a lot of variables to a cartridge, and I suspect that no firearm will function ideally across the range.

I have one 1911 that doesn't like Ranger SXT 230gr- but runs flawlessly with any thing else I stuff in it, but fails to feed it maybe one round out of 20. None of my other 1911s have an issue with the SXT, so I just use Golden Sabers for my EDC load.

In AR rifles, I often see someone complaining that their brandy new rifle chokes on steel case cheapity-cheapo rounds from cheapistan. Every time I have encountered it, the rifle runs XM855 just fine, and often, with a few hundred rounds of the M855 (or any good quality ammo), it will function with the steel case just fine*

My point being, I don't have an issue with a firearm that 'just don't like that ammo'- though I would have an issue with 'that gun only likes *this* ammo (and no other)'. It wouldn't surprise me that the ammo the gun 'doesn't like' was the cheaper stuff- I expect it to skirt the lower end of the Standard.


*I attribute this to a brandy-new rifle being a little tight, the springs being a little strong (fresh), the gas block being a little leaky till it carbon seals, the steel case not sealing the chamber well, allowing some gas to escape the breech, and the ammo being a little lightly loaded, or using a powder with a burn rate that is not optimum.

 

[JustinJ]

It should almost be like the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. If you want me to use a specific ammo in a gun then you should buy it for me, but if I use a SAAMI spec ammo, even SAAMI spec hand loads, you should still have to warranty the firearm.
Isn't that why we have SAAMI?

How can the manufacturer know your hand loads were SAAMI? They obviously don't want to have to repair guns damaged at the owner's fault.

Personally i think a modern centerfire gun should be able to reliably shoot any SAAMI ammo put in it. The only gun i've ever had that would only shoot certain rounds of the appropriate caliber was a keltek PF9 and i sold it after disclosing its aversion.

 

[steepcliff]

ammo

Well, I polished,and polished and now it will accept anything. Great gun at my exspense.
(feeding problem)40 cal subcompact beretta.
I own nothing but beretta's pistols, and never yet had a feeding problem from any of them.
Px4 45 cal storm, 3032 tomcat, and 9mm FS beretta.
This is new to me, but thanks for the reply, I am learning!

 

[Texan Scott]

I used to own a 15-yr old diesel mercedes... put more than a quarter million miles on that car (Lots of American-made trucks do this, but sadly, we don't make cars like that much anymore). The manufacturer prescribed a certain weight of oil. I found that as it got older, it ran better on a different weight, in synthetic. That worked well for me... but I was also well aware that if it ruined the car, I'd have no cause for complaint.

Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances.

 

[Tim the student]

It is a pretty well-known fact that each gun has some ammo that it "likes" and some it doesn't.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Well, I polished,and polished and now it will accept anything. Great gun at my exspense.

What do you mean? Will you tell us what exactly was happening, what you did, and what the rifle is doing now?

 

[hermannr]

I have a wonderful High Standard Trophy, that absolutely will not feed any cartridge that is not copper plated, or at least copper washed...that grease/wax they put on the lead headed cartridges just gums it up, almost instantly...however...

It will cycle properly for many many rounds if you use any manufacturer's copper plated bullets.

I chalk that up to owning a precision firearm.

 

[WardenWolf]

Some guns just don't like certain ammo. Simple as that. There's so many different ammo variations out there that manufacturers can't account for them all.

 

[larryh1108]

I just don't get it and you read about it all the time. A guy buys Gun X. He runs it and tries different ammo thru it and it runs flawless. He then picks up a box of his preferred SD Ammo XX and it chokes his new gun. He tries every brand on the market and everything runs fine except for SD Ammo XX. He then sells that POS because it isn't reliable. I don't get it. If it runs perfectly on 80% of the ammo on the market, why try to jam SD Ammo XX down it's throat just because you like it? If that was the only quality SD ammo on the market then it makes sense but there are so many quality SD ammo brands out there that you can easily make your new gun run 100% but it becomes a grudge match for the new owner. He then bad mouths the gun and the maker on the net for selling junk. It makes no sense. Each gun has it's own likes and dislikes for whatever reason. Quit trying to force a square peg into a round hole and you'll be happier.

 

[Eb1]

Just shoot a 1911 with 230 grain ball, and hey! Fuggitaboutit, your covered.

or

Just shoot a .357 or .44 SPC with any SD Ammo or LSWC you want.

 

[hardluk1]

delete.....

 

[Lex Luthier]

None of the rock stars in my arsenal like cheap Russian stuff or its country cousins. You get what you pay for.

 

[Ramone]

I just don't get it and you read about it all the time. A guy buys Gun X. He runs it and tries different ammo thru it and it runs flawless. He then picks up a box of his preferred SD Ammo XX and it chokes his new gun. He tries every brand on the market and everything runs fine except for SD Ammo XX. He then sells that POS because it isn't reliable. I don't get it.

Me either- when I was discovering the issue with the SXT in my full size 1911, I had more than one person advise me to 'get rid of it' based on seeing it choke twice in a box of 50- even though it ran fine with everything else.