The 6.5-284, 143Eld-X, and a Bull.....other stuff as well

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So, today was cow hunt day.
My .375 isnt ready yet, a buddy borrowed my 30-06, and another my .243, didnt want to carry the 7 (I nearly always take the 7), so my 6.5-284 pulled cow duty today.

Not much action for me early, tho a couple other guys picked up 3, two bulls and a cow.

After packing those out to the ATVs, a couple of us went back to the truck to drop the meat, and the rest walked down the fence line a way.
I ended up splitting off at one of the gates and diving back into the trees about 100yds. It was pretty thick where i was walking, so i just followed along in the cow trails. I made it about another 75yds farther down hill, and spotted a bull staring at me.
He had two buddies with him, so i sat down and started trying to radio the other guys who were a ways down the road, and have them come down on top of the small group of animals.
After a few mins of no reply, i shot bull who had been staring at me for pretty much the whole time, as he started to walk off.

I intentionally avoided hitting his front leg, putting the round in behind the elbow joint. It either deflected off a rib on the way in (didnt check that hard), or he was angled more severally than I thought he was. The bullet tracked thru one lung missed the heart, and came apart somewhere between there and the front of his stomach. We found small bits and pieces, but not even the butt end of the jacket, so either it went somewhere completely different, or the whole thing came apart which would surprise me....but i guess it IS possible.
While penetration and wounding on the off side was unspectacular, the animal did only go about 40yds and piled up to die. Ive hit them with much larger rounds and had to chase them a lot farther.
To do it over, i would not use this bullet on game this large tho, not just because of the penetration issue, but because it seems to come apart too early. A berger that had made the same path, would likely have come apart somwhere in the middle of the first lung, and would likely have blow out the other one, and or nicked the heart at least. It appears the Eld-X only penetrated a few inches then came apart only damaging the one lung visibly, tho the other may have had nicks in it, and leaving the heart completely intact.

On the way out two of our guys ended up getting on some more cows, but they boogied before they could get shots. They did end up getting shots on a pair of Mouflon, tho they only got one.
These arnt forest sheep, his horns and hoves showed pretty serious signs of water rot, but he was otherwise quite healthy, and pretty old.

Ive got a few pictures, tho I wasnt as diligent this time as i was last at getting them. Ill try get my buddies to send me theirs as well and post them up.
 
Two words, "Nosler Partition."

The fad now seems to be 'new is better.' However, the new things don't seem to be much better than the old ones. That goes for cartridges, bullets, and most everything else when it comes to hunting.

I can't wait to see your pictures.
 
Some pictures from my phone...still waiting on the pictures from the other guys.

Driving in
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In the hunting area

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Muh cow (bull) IMG_20180602_121415559_BURST001-2672x2004.jpg

Cow bags and a sheep
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Tourist......
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Smoke/vog from the volcano....it's only like 40miles away......
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How's that wild bull for table fare? I know there is a huge difference between eating farm raised pork and eating wild pork. Just wondering if the gap between domesticated and wild beef is the same.
 
When you said cow hunt, you meant cow hunt. I've killed many cows, but only hunted one crazy longhorn that escaped a butcher shop holding pen. That looks fun.
 
How's that wild bull for table fare? I know there is a huge difference between eating farm raised pork and eating wild pork. Just wondering if the gap between domesticated and wild beef is the same.

Really depends on the particular animals food sources, behavior, and on processing. Cows arnt omnivores, so thier flavor dosent change as much as pigs.
I actually really like the wild beef we get from these hunts. Where we hunt tho is right on the edge of pasture land and untill a few months ago the cows could go back and forth. Now they are restricted to the forest reserve, but foraging is still pretty good, and all the animals looked and smelled good.
They also sell meat from the cows that are still in the pastures locally, according to rumour it's grain finished, and that's possible. I really don't care for that beef, the processing (and possibly added fat from the grain) makes the "BEEF" flavor overpowering.

When you said cow hunt, you meant cow hunt. I've killed many cows, but only hunted one crazy longhorn that escaped a butcher shop holding pen. That looks fun.
Yep it's a real hunt. Usually they will boogie as soon as they spot you. The ones I got on saw me, but I'm not sure they smelled me. Either way it was a surprise they didn't run off. I've shot a couple running thru the trees, and it's no easy task.
 
A hereford is a long way from a longhorn as far as eating goes.

LoonWulf, are those cattle stunted? The bull looks rather short compared to the domestic (non-feral) cattle here.

That's not a bad mouflon. Y'all are a lucky bunch getting that much meat. :thumbup:
 
They seem to vary. The longer they stay feral tho the more compact they get. The ones that are more than a few generations out are short, big chested, big head and horns, and ugly as all get out. They are universally blondish? Colored.

Most of what we're are shooting are only a few generations old. Many of what weve gotten are herfords, there are some of the big, all brown ones with longer leaner faces, they look like black Angus, are there brown Angus? Took a black Angus a couple years ago that looked like all the ones that were around our place on Molokai.
I didn't see the ones the other guys got untill they were in pieces, so can't say for sure, but the one I'm with looks shorter than he actually was due to the angle.

These aren't the largest we've gotten, last year's hunt we pulled a few that dwarfed the largest we got this year.
 
Two words, "Nosler Partition."

The fad now seems to be 'new is better.' However, the new things don't seem to be much better than the old ones. That goes for cartridges, bullets, and most everything else when it comes to hunting.

I can't wait to see your pictures.
Yeah, should i take a 6.5 again, ill probably shoot a bonded or partition bullet.

As a note the guy shooting my .243 dropped the two that are together with a pair of head
shots 100gr corelokts, and the fourth cow fell to a 150 ABLR from a .270.

A hereford is a long way from a longhorn as far as eating goes.
Agreed, if long horns are anything like the actual "wild" cattle here im not sure id try eat one.....
 
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Congrats on the successful hunt! Looks like you have a beautiful place to do it.

I have seen two deer taken with a buddies 6.5 x284. I don' know what he uses for projectiles but he luquified the inside of a doe at around 75 yards. That n round packs a wallop that's for sure. I think partitions, as mentioned, or Interbonds are your best bet. I don' know what Federal uses for their Fusion bullets but they are tough as nails. I killed a 6 point at 5 yards with a 300 wsm 150. Complete pass through at the base of the neck with no fragmentation. Might be good 6.5x284 factry fodder.
 
Many of what weve gotten are herfords, there are some of the big, all brown ones with longer leaner faces, they look like black Angus, are there brown Angus?

There are red Angus that are reddish-brown but black seems to be the dominant type.

The longer they stay feral tho the more compact they get. The ones that are more than a few generations out are short, big chested, big head and horns, and ugly as all get out.

I had a neighbor who never changed his bull and he kept all his heifers. After 8-10 years all of his cattle were the size of one year-olds. They were stunted so bad that he had many cows that died while trying to calve.
 
That mouflon looks to be 5-6 y.o.(?) judging by the growth rings. I raised mouflons for several years. My oldest ram died of old age at 12 y.o. His horns were so impressive that I had him mounted but he was still a 3/4 curl.
 
Really depends on the particular animals food sources, behavior, and on processing. Cows arnt omnivores, so thier flavor dosent change as much as pigs.
I actually really like the wild beef we get from these hunts. Where we hunt tho is right on the edge of pasture land and untill a few months ago the cows could go back and forth. Now they are restricted to the forest reserve, but foraging is still pretty good, and all the animals looked and smelled good.
They also sell meat from the cows that are still in the pastures locally, according to rumour it's grain finished, and that's possible. I really don't care for that beef, the processing (and possibly added fat from the grain) makes the "BEEF" flavor overpowering.


Yep it's a real hunt. Usually they will boogie as soon as they spot you. The ones I got on saw me, but I'm not sure they smelled me. Either way it was a surprise they didn't run off. I've shot a couple running thru the trees, and it's no easy task.

Yeah. I didn't figure they would have the major difference in flavor that is found in pork because of their diet. Kinda figured it would be the same as the difference in grass fed beef vs grain fed beef. Thanks for the info.
 
Cool post, Loonwulf. Looks like lots of fun. How's the air quality with all the VOG? Is it causing you any problems other than blocking the sun?
 
That mouflon looks to be 5-6 y.o.(?) judging by the growth rings. I raised mouflons for several years. My oldest ram died of old age at 12 y.o. His horns were so impressive that I had him mounted but he was still a 3/4 curl.
Sorry meant to reply to this earlier, just forgot lol
I'm not horribly good at guessing age of stuff, I can tell you he was more than a couple years old but not much more than that.
I've always kinda wanted to have a herd of them, they smell better than sheepy, sheep, (probably cause they don't mold as badly) and do a fair job of lawn mowing. My wife's aunt has a dozen or so.
12 is impressively old, I didn't think they lived that long.

Congrats on the successful hunt! Looks like you have a beautiful place to do it.

I have seen two deer taken with a buddies 6.5 x284. I don' know what he uses for projectiles but he luquified the inside of a doe at around 75 yards. That n round packs a wallop that's for sure. I think partitions, as mentioned, or Interbonds are your best bet. I don' know what Federal uses for their Fusion bullets but they are tough as nails. I killed a 6 point at 5 yards with a 300 wsm 150. Complete pass through at the base of the neck with no fragmentation. Might be good 6.5x284 factry fodder.
Thanks!
Yeah those fusions are nice bullets also. I have some to load for my wife's .243
I wasn't aware they made them for the 6.5s

Im generally going to relegate this rifle, along with my .250AI for shooting smaller stuff. It was mostly due to my desire to use something besides a 7mm, and a question brought up in another thread that tried it with the Eld-Xs.

I have no doubt the cartridge is capable enough with the right bullets, and no doubt the eld-x is a good lighter game bullet, but I wouldn't use this combo on stuff this size again.
I'm bummed my buddy with the 06 didn't hit anything, I'd have liked to have another caliber of eld-x to compare.
 
Cool post, Loonwulf. Looks like lots of fun. How's the air quality with all the VOG? Is it causing you any problems other than blocking the sun?
It's pretty rough if you have any breathing issues....not the time to be vacationing on this island that's for sure.
I actually expected to have more issues durring the hunt. I react poorly to heavy vog, but it seems like most of that was actually wood smoke from the burning trees. I didn't really have any issues.
 
I've not shot any game with any ELD-X yet. But I'm hearing almost identical stories from everyone. They all say the damage doesn't look inspiring, but the animals seem to just die.

Here is a video I found on You Tube. I found it informative because I shoot both 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor, and both with these exact bullets. I've read multiple reports of bang flop kills using both of these bullets on elk at 400-500 yards.

Your 6.5-284 may well have gotten better performance at longer ranges after the bullet had slowed.

 
I've not shot any game with any ELD-X yet. But I'm hearing almost identical stories from everyone. They all say the damage doesn't look inspiring, but the animals seem to just die.

Here is a video I found on You Tube. I found it informative because I shoot both 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor, and both with these exact bullets. I've read multiple reports of bang flop kills using both of these bullets on elk at 400-500 yards.

Your 6.5-284 may well have gotten better performance at longer ranges after the bullet had slowed.


Thats an interesting video, and your probably right, at a lower velocity performance may have been significantly different.
I knew going into this that the ranges/impact velocity we were operating at wouldnt be ideal for the bullets, but based on my experience with the Amax I assumed they would work pretty well, and wanted to see what they would do in THIS situation...and again it only took one round to drop the bull i shot, which isnt insignificant.
These were for my 6.5CM, that I sold a while back. Ive got some 147eldms im messing with next, but Ive still got a box and a half of loaded 143 ammo, so ill try them on some other stuff and see how it works out.

Congrats loonwulf! That's a lot of high quality grass fed beef.
Thanks!
While i dont depend on these hunts for my beef, they are always a nice way to replenish dwindling supplies, and im always thankful when we get to go.
I actually talked to my neighbor across the road the other day, hes been on the list for a while and still hasnt gotten to go, had i known that id have offered him a spot on our hunt.
 
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I continue to be underwhelmed with Hornandy hunting bullets.

Ive got a buddy that hates them, hes shot a lot of larger game, and ive heard the same thing from a couple knowledgeable hand gunners about the XTPs.

Personally, they are almost all I shoot. Ive had excellent luck with heavy Amax on game upto around 200lbs. Ive even shot a few of these bulls with them, and only one notable example took more than one hit. I generally find the "standard" interlocks, which come in the cheap American Whitetail (or something like that, ill go look at a box later) that a few of my rifles really like, to be a little tougher than the similar Speer bullets, but not as consistent or tough as the Sierra Game Kings.
I havent tried the GMX, or Interbonds yet.
 
I’ve had good luck from a terminal performance stand point with Interbonds, but have had inconsistent accuracy with them. I’ve never tried the GMX on game. The Hornandy DGS and DGX have garnered a very poor reputation on dangerous game in Africa, with extremly inconsistent results and some near fatal failures. I’ve had some complete splatters with interlocks. I won’t use them on anything larger or tougher than deer anymore.

As much as I try to like Hornandy bullets they just don’t perform to my standards. I’ve never tried the A-Max as I am perfectly happy the accuracy, BC, and terminal performance on the Accubond bullet. The performance you’ve described with the ELD-X is disappointing.
 
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