aguyindallas
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Thats an interesting looking 642 you have there...no lock....smooooooooooth
The 642 club
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Took the 642 with new Hogue Monogrips to the range yesterday. I definately like the feel of these grips better. Nice to get all my fingers on it.
I'm still pretty new to the 642 but my groups were definately tighter. No shooting from a rest, all two handed. One group of 5 shots had 4 touching at 7 yards, which is a big improvement for me.
I generally carry my 642 in the lower pocket of my cargo pants. Since the grip is a little longer it actually fits a little better and doesn't fall over in my pocket. I haven't tried any other pants or jacket pockets yet.
My wife also likes the new grips better. She may be getting this gun when she gets her permit.
Overall I'm pleased with them. No downsides other than they are larger and may cause concealment issues for some people depending on how it's carried.
I'm still pretty new to the 642 but my groups were definately tighter. No shooting from a rest, all two handed. One group of 5 shots had 4 touching at 7 yards, which is a big improvement for me.
I generally carry my 642 in the lower pocket of my cargo pants. Since the grip is a little longer it actually fits a little better and doesn't fall over in my pocket. I haven't tried any other pants or jacket pockets yet.
My wife also likes the new grips better. She may be getting this gun when she gets her permit.
Overall I'm pleased with them. No downsides other than they are larger and may cause concealment issues for some people depending on how it's carried.
Serpico
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Actually, mine is a hard chromed 442.....I snuck into the 642 club with it.
fiVe
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ZXD9: Can you post a pic showing the new grips?
Wesson Smith
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I can't seem to find Hogue Monos that are specifically designed for the 642. My search has included Hogue's on-line store. Any suggestions?
Try http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=277600
Sportsmans Guide is where I got mine. I figured that if it fit the 442 it should fit the 642 and it does.
Sportsmans Guide is where I got mine. I figured that if it fit the 442 it should fit the 642 and it does.
Wesson Smith
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Thanks for the link, ZXD9. Any tricks to removing the old and fitting the new Monos?
Count me in as a new club member. Picked up my 642 last weekend, traded my old 659 for it so was only out of pocket a few bucks. Shoots great, nice tight groups. I'm currently carrying it in addition to my Sig229, and will be a great asset for the times when I can't carry the larger sidearm.
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Ok, i gotta ask. S&W revolvers always have relatively high MSRP's. New ones are listed up in the $600 range. So why is it that the 642 is so inexpensive? Nothing by Taurus can compete with it in price. what gives? are there any cost saving measures that they have taken?
AStone
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Inexpensive 642's?
Simple. Less metal. {Added by edit: assumption on my part: that it's the larger revolvers that cost more. If other similar-sized snubbies are higher priced, then ignore this argument.}
For those that haven't been paying attention, metal prices have skyrocketed in recent years.
(Why is worthy of a thread all its own in L&P. I won't be there.
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That little ol' 642 don't have much metal in it. Ergo, less expensive.
Plus, S&W sells trillions of them in this part of the galaxy, so prices can be lower.
In other parts of the milky way, you'll find the 642 to be way more expensive.
(But in those galactic regions, light sabers are dirt cheap.
Me? I'll take a 642 over a light saber any day. Word up, Jedi.)
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JXD9, what's that twisty little knob sticking up out of the top of your revolver?
Simple. Less metal. {Added by edit: assumption on my part: that it's the larger revolvers that cost more. If other similar-sized snubbies are higher priced, then ignore this argument.}
For those that haven't been paying attention, metal prices have skyrocketed in recent years.
(Why is worthy of a thread all its own in L&P. I won't be there.
) That little ol' 642 don't have much metal in it. Ergo, less expensive.
Plus, S&W sells trillions of them in this part of the galaxy, so prices can be lower.
In other parts of the milky way, you'll find the 642 to be way more expensive.
(But in those galactic regions, light sabers are dirt cheap.
Me? I'll take a 642 over a light saber any day. Word up, Jedi.)
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JXD9, what's that twisty little knob sticking up out of the top of your revolver?
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<<Thanks for the link, ZXD9. Any tricks to removing the old and fitting the new Monos?>>
Real easy. Take the screw out of the original grips and pull them off. The new grips come with a little bracket that fits on the bottom of the metal grip. Slip it on, slip the new grips on and attach the screw. Done. 5 minutes tops. The directions that come with it are good.
<<Thanks for the link, ZXD9. Any tricks to removing the old and fitting the new Monos?>>
Real easy. Take the screw out of the original grips and pull them off. The new grips come with a little bracket that fits on the bottom of the metal grip. Slip it on, slip the new grips on and attach the screw. Done. 5 minutes tops. The directions that come with it are good.
Hello all,
This is my first post. My 642 is on it's way. Hope to have it Saturday. I'm an LEO and a firearms instructor and wanted to make 2 points.
First, I am truly amazed at how little new officers know or care about revolvers. They treat them like polyester suits or manual transmissions. It's really a shame at the lack of knowledge they have.
On a more serious note, I noticed a post about a BG with a knife scenerio. I know all the LEO's here know about the "21 foot rule" but I thought it would be worth bringing up for the civilians here.
"The 21 foot rule" basically means that if you encounter a BG with a knife, he can cover the 21 feet in 1.5 seconds and stab you before you can get your weapon out and fire. This is just a condensed version of the rule. There is a very good article at:
http://www.trailerparkshow.com/selfdefense3.html
I hope some of you find this useful and I am proud to become a member of this group.
This is my first post. My 642 is on it's way. Hope to have it Saturday. I'm an LEO and a firearms instructor and wanted to make 2 points.
First, I am truly amazed at how little new officers know or care about revolvers. They treat them like polyester suits or manual transmissions. It's really a shame at the lack of knowledge they have.
On a more serious note, I noticed a post about a BG with a knife scenerio. I know all the LEO's here know about the "21 foot rule" but I thought it would be worth bringing up for the civilians here.
"The 21 foot rule" basically means that if you encounter a BG with a knife, he can cover the 21 feet in 1.5 seconds and stab you before you can get your weapon out and fire. This is just a condensed version of the rule. There is a very good article at:
http://www.trailerparkshow.com/selfdefense3.html
I hope some of you find this useful and I am proud to become a member of this group.
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fiVe
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ZXD9: Thanks for posting your pic. Those Monogrips look good.
Serpico: Thanks for posting your pic, too. I like that unique look.
sdl: It's always an honor to welcome an LEO to the club.
Serpico: Thanks for posting your pic, too. I like that unique look.
sdl: It's always an honor to welcome an LEO to the club.
fiVe
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Feliz Navidad y un Año Nuevo próspero
Christmas is my favorite time of year. 26 years ago tonight (just before midnight), I proposed to Mrs. Five. It is 1 of only 2 times I've actually surprised her. (Yes, I'm married to an angel, and it's great!!)
Just wanted to extend a special Christmas greeting to all on the 642 Club. We are still growing--new posts and new members--and I continue to be thankful.
To all here: I wish you a very Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year.
Peace,
fiVe
Christmas is my favorite time of year. 26 years ago tonight (just before midnight), I proposed to Mrs. Five. It is 1 of only 2 times I've actually surprised her. (Yes, I'm married to an angel, and it's great!!)
Just wanted to extend a special Christmas greeting to all on the 642 Club. We are still growing--new posts and new members--and I continue to be thankful.
To all here: I wish you a very Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year.
Peace,
fiVe
jad0110
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sdl,
Welcome to THR and The 642 Club!
Thought you'd like to know, the last time I went to the range in Jacksonville, NC I asked the owner why he never had any +P Speer Gold Dots in stock. He said its hard to keep them in stock, as the Jacksonville PD issues the 642 as a BUG to most (if not all) of their uniformed officers. They come in and burn up the Speers whenever he gets a shipment in :banghead: .
fiVe,
Dang, look at the # of posts! You did you 1001st on 10/28, we are already 1/4th of the way to 2000 in less than two months!!!
LONG LIVE THE SNUB!
norfdet893
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Interesting place here. I have been a member for awhile but probably have not posted in some time. While I want a 442 or 642, I daily carry a 638 (pre-lock) and don't see the need to go to essentially the same gun but without the advantage or being able to cock the hammer. With that said, what is the cult following of the 642 vs. other Smith 5 shot revolvers?
While the 638 rides in an ankle holster when I am working, here is my off duty carry;
While the 638 rides in an ankle holster when I am working, here is my off duty carry;
308win
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21 Foot Rule
When I was taking my CCW course the instructor asked for two volunteers - one to draw (from a belt holster) and fire two shots on the go command into a target while the second was to begin running on the go command. The runner covered about 50 feet before the second shot. The shooter wasn't a newbie, in fact, she was one of the more proficient students in the class. My point is that 21 feet may give a lot of us a sense of false security considering we may be drawing our snubbies from pocket or other concealment where access isn't the quickest. Just something to keep in mind while we are training this winter.
When I was taking my CCW course the instructor asked for two volunteers - one to draw (from a belt holster) and fire two shots on the go command into a target while the second was to begin running on the go command. The runner covered about 50 feet before the second shot. The shooter wasn't a newbie, in fact, she was one of the more proficient students in the class. My point is that 21 feet may give a lot of us a sense of false security considering we may be drawing our snubbies from pocket or other concealment where access isn't the quickest. Just something to keep in mind while we are training this winter.
308win,
"The 21 foot rule" has its' proponents and opponents. I guess I should have qualified it as being a police training technique and that it may not necessarily translate to the CCW civilian world. The link I provided covers other aspects of a BG with a knife that I felt would be a worthwhile read to all. Lateral movement is a must in this kind of situation and is taught regularly.
My main point was to emphasize how dangerous a knife encounter can be.
Merry Christmas
"The 21 foot rule" has its' proponents and opponents. I guess I should have qualified it as being a police training technique and that it may not necessarily translate to the CCW civilian world. The link I provided covers other aspects of a BG with a knife that I felt would be a worthwhile read to all. Lateral movement is a must in this kind of situation and is taught regularly.
My main point was to emphasize how dangerous a knife encounter can be.
Merry Christmas
308win
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sdl
I agree with all your points and my comment was not a criticism at all. Each of us needs to train so that we are proficient and capable if and when the time ever comes that we need to act. An old axiom on the shottie forum is that if you aren't shooting or moving and shooting you had better be reloading and I think the same holds true here. Space is your friend and the ability to be competent with your 642 while moving is critical; if you can move and cover your target that may be all you have to do which is a good thing. Perfect practice makes perfect.
Merry Christmas and welcome.
I agree with all your points and my comment was not a criticism at all. Each of us needs to train so that we are proficient and capable if and when the time ever comes that we need to act. An old axiom on the shottie forum is that if you aren't shooting or moving and shooting you had better be reloading and I think the same holds true here. Space is your friend and the ability to be competent with your 642 while moving is critical; if you can move and cover your target that may be all you have to do which is a good thing. Perfect practice makes perfect.
Merry Christmas and welcome.
ChuckB
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I believe that 21 feet is commonly used for this reason: studies have shown that an officer with a holstered gun cannot draw and fire on an assailant who charges at him/her from 21 feet or less. Now, that's an open-carried handgun, not concealed. There's a South African video series on the 'net somewhere that shows several scenarios involving an officer, and an assailant with a knife. Don't feel so smug about 21 feet after you've seen them!
Chuck
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Chuck,
I'm sorry you feel that I was being "smug". I have seen those videos and many others. I have also participated in such scenarios. My only reason for bringing it up was that I saw somewhere, earlier in this thread, someone mentioned a BG with a knife.
I just wanted to bring it up in case someone here had never considered it. "The 21 foot rule" can be argued to death and that is not my intention. Here is the page I posted earlier in case you didn't see it.
http://www.trailerparkshow.com/selfdefense3.html
And for those interested in the video I believe you are thinking about look here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1459052511793821456&q=knife+vs+gun+video
I'm sorry you feel that I was being "smug". I have seen those videos and many others. I have also participated in such scenarios. My only reason for bringing it up was that I saw somewhere, earlier in this thread, someone mentioned a BG with a knife.
I just wanted to bring it up in case someone here had never considered it. "The 21 foot rule" can be argued to death and that is not my intention. Here is the page I posted earlier in case you didn't see it.
http://www.trailerparkshow.com/selfdefense3.html
And for those interested in the video I believe you are thinking about look here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1459052511793821456&q=knife+vs+gun+video
AStone
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sdl,
Welcome to The 642 Club and THR. Great bunch of folks here.
I didn't take your post as smug either, but a heads up about an important issue. I enjoyed reading the essay. Good food for thought.
It's particularly relevant for me since I don't pocket carry my 642, but carry it in an OWB that usually gets tucked under my sweater this time of year. That means it takes me more than 1.5 sec to draw. I guess I need a 41' rule.
Of course, I only carry mine in my studio (since I'm not yet CCW permitted, it doesn't go out with me ... yet. This year I'll get that CCW.)
But then my lack of desire to pocket carry becomes more of an issue. (As one could find by searching back through this gargantuan thread, it just doesn't work for me for various reasons that I'll not rehash here.)
I still love my little 642 mule, and will keep it. It's significantly lighter and more comfortable for holster carry than my K9.
But <blasphemy ahead!> I'm considering investing in a mouse gun like the KelTec P32 for pocket carry once I get CCW'd. (Here's an excellent review of the P32 by THR's Oleg Volk.)
Interesting discussion. Seems relevant for this thread (IMO) even if one could argue it might be better in S&T.
Nem
Welcome to The 642 Club and THR. Great bunch of folks here.
I didn't take your post as smug either, but a heads up about an important issue. I enjoyed reading the essay. Good food for thought.
It's particularly relevant for me since I don't pocket carry my 642, but carry it in an OWB that usually gets tucked under my sweater this time of year. That means it takes me more than 1.5 sec to draw. I guess I need a 41' rule.
Of course, I only carry mine in my studio (since I'm not yet CCW permitted, it doesn't go out with me ... yet. This year I'll get that CCW.)
But then my lack of desire to pocket carry becomes more of an issue. (As one could find by searching back through this gargantuan thread, it just doesn't work for me for various reasons that I'll not rehash here.)
I still love my little 642 mule, and will keep it. It's significantly lighter and more comfortable for holster carry than my K9.
But <blasphemy ahead!> I'm considering investing in a mouse gun like the KelTec P32 for pocket carry once I get CCW'd. (Here's an excellent review of the P32 by THR's Oleg Volk.)
Interesting discussion. Seems relevant for this thread (IMO) even if one could argue it might be better in S&T.
Nem
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