The anti-2A media is at it again

[happygeek]

seriously, why didn't this whackjob just get some hookers if he was so lonely?

 

[TexasBill]

Has anyone else Thought --WHY cant we start a news paper - A tv news- if we opened a newspaper right in the same town as a liberal paper-Washtimes Ny times We could cut into there business so much the union thuggs whould have to take massive cuts in order to survive- A tv news to compete with CNN and PBS. we could do it so much cheeper and cost the libs so much they would have to change -Or die!!

You can start a newspaper. You can also buy a radio or TV station. But that means you would have to be pro-active, something the RKBA movement isn't very good at. And, for a welcome change, it would be nice if someone reported the news instead of slanting the news (and Fox is just as guilty as anyone else) because it's counter-productive in the long run to do otherwise.

The problem is that we do too much preaching to the choir. We're already converted, we believe in the Second Amendment and we own guns. The message we need to deliver is that it's just as okay to own guns as it is to exercise the right to speech, freedom of the press, freedom to worship (or not worship) as we please, or any of the other rights guaranteed by the Constitution. And we would have to put aside the paranoia about liberals, Democrats, etc., because the idea is to bring people over to your side, not chase them away. There are liberals and Democrats who own guns and enjoy the shooting sports, just as there are conservatives who are against private gun ownership.

What it comes down to is the fact that if you want unbiased news, you're probably going to have to provide it. And it seems right now would be a good time to do it. As the NRA points out, an all-time high number of states now offer permits for concealed carry; the tragedies in Pennsylvania and Virginia have spawned as much pro-carry sentiment as they have anti-gun sentiment. The new Democrats in the House are largely pro-gun which is why the Assault Weapons Ban is, instead of a the slam-dunk that was anticipated, dead in the water for this Congress as is HR45 (the Bobby Holt bill).

If all you can envision is a broadside with your opinions and your view of reality, all you're likely to attract is people who already share them and are looking for reinforcement of their views. You've got to do better than that and so do we.

BTW: I am a happy TGSCOM customer, too.

 

[Erik M]

The new Democrats in the House are largely pro-gun which is why the Assault Weapons Ban is, instead of a the slam-dunk that was anticipated, dead in the water for this Congress as is HR45 (the Bobby Holt bill).

IMO pro-gun sentiment among moderate Democrats is a positive thing. Personally I think the ammount of flak that the current administration is up against in the way of healthcare will keep RKBA off the table for the moment.

 

[harrygunner]

I haven't watched an ABC channel since their hatchet job on using handguns for self defense.

After that show, I was curious if ABC news is popular. So, I started checking a DirecTV feature that shows the top shows currently being viewed nationwide.

By that feature, unfailingly, for the months I've checked, Fox News beats all the other news channels.

Maybe a lot of people are tired of liberal bias.

 

[Erik M]

I am glad that there is still an opposing voice that allows a media platform for RKBA.

From the Nielsen website. These are ratings for 24 news channels from earlier in the year, a weekday in january I believe.

Total Day
FNC – 1,217,000 viewers
CNN – 633,000 viewers
MSNBC –482,000 viewers
CNBC – 265,000 viewers

I think most Americans know can discern for themselves where the objective reporting with the least bias is.

 

[Novus Collectus]

I was watching CNN yesterday when this "broke". They never said accessories, but instead they reported the guns were bought at the same online place.

There was a real breaking news event right after that so that was all I saw at the time becuase they were covering something else now so I have no idea if they bothered to correct the information.

 

[TexasBill]

harry gunner wrote: Maybe a lot of people are tired of liberal bias.

Sorry, Fox does have higher viewer loyalty than the three other big networks but, according to Nielsen, NBC "Nightly News," ABC "World News," and the "CBS Nightly News" all pull more viewers (NBC has three times as many as Fox). Fox is the largest of the cable news networks, beating CNN and CNBC on a regular basis.

Rightly or wrongly, Fox News is perceived as being just as biased, and more outspoken about it, than broadcast network news. Part of the problem is undoubtedly that many people associate Fox News with Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck even though their shows are not news reports.

BTW: I have no axe to grind in any of this: I seldom watch TV news at all; I read the papers. I would rather decide what news I want to know about and get more depth than the talking heads of any variety can give me.

 

[harrygunner]

TexasBill -

I understand what you wrote. The thing is, DirecTV's list is not categorized by type. The list of five shows is titled: "The most popular shows on DirecTV" at that instant.

So, in competition with local and cable shows of any kind, Fox News is regularly in the top five. That surprised me.

I have no ax on my grinder either. That channel's high ratings could be an indicator given Fox News' reputation as a conservative organization.

 

[sohcgt2]

How is this anti anything? They are reporting facts, right? How many other single incidents in this country have resulted in more human life lost over the past 2 weeks? I think you'll hear, if you choose to listen, many inconsequential facts and tidbits over the next 2 weeks about the plane and helocopter crash in N.Y. That is the media maximizing sales based on a tragic event. As long as it is factual it doesn't count as bias.

 

[SCKimberFan]

BTW: I am a happy TGSCOM customer, too.

Oh No! You must be stopped! You must be a serial killer!

As long as it is factual it doesn't count as bias.

So when CNN reported guns, instead of a magazine and speedloader, they weren't biased? The idea of making that report was to enflame the public against that store. By connecting it to VA Tech and No IL, they are doing just that (enflaming the public). So what if they both bought items from the same online store?

Do you ever hear reports that 2 drunk drivers who killed someone bought their cars from the same dealer? Of course not, because it has no relevance whatsoever. Same thing with this case. That is where the bias is.

 

[jfh]

I will second SCKimber's basic analysis of the bias in news reporting.

If one looks ONLY for "the facts", then one ignores the rhetorical structure of the article. That is, any report / essay / news item has a "message" as well. The technique used by the MSM is to associate generally-perceived negative consequences with firearms. For the naive reader, they don't even notice the bias--they simply have perceived that firearms / firearms accessories are "bad."

Jim H.

 

[rainbowbob]

OMG, 2nd drunk driver bought gas at the same Shell station!!! OMG, OMG!!!

Or...

Second drunk driver bought alcohol from the same state-run liquor store!!!

 

[TexasBill]

Oh No! You must be stopped! You must be a serial killer!



So when CNN reported guns, instead of a magazine and speedloader, they weren't biased? The idea of making that report was to enflame the public against that store. By connecting it to VA Tech and No IL, they are doing just that (enflaming the public). So what if they both bought items from the same online store?

Do you ever hear reports that 2 drunk drivers who killed someone bought their cars from the same dealer? Of course not, because it has no relevance whatsoever. Same thing with this case. That is where the bias is.

I agree CNN was being biased. Simply by saying "guns" instead of reporting the truth shows there's bias somewhere, whether it's on the part of the editorial staff, writers or (unlikely) the talking heads themselves. In addition, while the error could have been based on bad information, i.e., somebody told CNN the guy had bought guns from TGSCOM, it should have been checked (one of the first rules of competent journalism is to check your facts). I assume, as do most of us here, that "guns" was used because it would be more inflammatory.

Harrygunner: As you noted, the rankings comme from "The most popular shows on DirecTV." But `DirecTV covers only DirecTV customers, currently about 18 million households. There are an estimated 114.5 million American households with a television, so obviously DirecTV is counting only a subset of the total population. Neilsen is counting broadcast, cable and satellite. Fox is the most-watched cable news network, I would certainly agree with that. But in terms of pure news programming covering all TV households in America, it lags the three major networks.

 

[sohcgt2]

So when CNN reported guns, instead of a magazine and speedloader, they weren't biased? The idea of making that report was to enflame the public against that store. By connecting it to VA Tech and No IL, they are doing just that (enflaming the public). So what if they both bought items from the same online store?

I went ahead and included what CNN reported. not guns but gun accessories. they even itemized what accessories.

(CNN) -- A company that sold firearms merchandise to the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University shooters also sold firearm accessories to a man who fatally shot three women in a Pennsylvania gym earlier this week.


George Sodini purchased gun accessories from Web sites that sold to shooters in other high profile incidents.

TGSCOM Inc. sold George Sodini a Glock magazine and a Glock magazine loader, company president Eric Thompson told CNN.

The company is based in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and sells firearms on dozens of Web sites it operates, including shotgunworks.com, which Sodini used to purchase the gun accessories on April 26, 2008, Thompson said.

Thompson said the company had no contact with Sodini and had no other receipts indicating he had ever purchased anything else from the company.

A gun purchased online must be shipped to a local federally licensed gun dealer for delivery to the purchaser.

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There, the purchaser must undergo whatever background checks, waiting periods or other limits are required by federal, state and local laws before taking possession of the weapon.

Pennsylvania law has no requirement for a permit or license to purchase a handgun.

However, it does require a license to carry a concealed weapon or carry one in a vehicle. In addition, the state does not require that guns be registered or that a waiting period be observed. State law does require a criminal background check to purchase handguns. The state prohibits cities and counties from enacting gun laws more stringent than state law.

Authorities say Sodini walked into a gym aerobics class outside Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and began shooting around 8 p.m. Tuesday, killing three women and wounding nine others before turning the gun on himself.

It was not immediately clear if Sodini used the accessories he bought from TGSCOM Inc. in the attack.

Two other shooters had used Web sites operated by TGSCOM Inc. to buy gun merchandise: Steven Kazmierczak, the NIU gunman who killed five students before turning the gun on himself on February 14, 2008, and Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho.


Kazmierczak had purchased two Glock 9 mm magazines and a Glock holster from www.topglock.com, and Cho bought a Walther P22 pistol from www.thegunsource.com.

Thompson said in a statement referring to Sodini that he was "deeply saddened by the tragic loss of life at the hands of a disturbed and socially stunted man."

I read this as just a few coincedental facts. Is there some way to spin this so the psycho looks good? I didn't see mention of anyone trying to take my guns because of what Sodini did or because he purchased accessories online from Kazmierczak. Its reporting of the news. I suppose this story is also biased against the second ammendment. I choose to think since it is a report of facts and is not an editorial or based on conjecture it is not unjustly biased.

CASSELBERRY, Fla. -- A patron of Shoot Straight, a gun range in Casselberry, shot himself in the hand Friday, according to the Seminole County Fire Department.

The Casselberry Police Department said an employee was accidentally shot through the hand when he was trying to clear a jammed firearm. The 28-year-old man is in stable condition.

In recent weeks, there have been four fatal shootings at gun ranges and shops in Central Florida. Valentin Pepelea, 43, of Canada, shot himself in the head at Rieg's Gun Range on South Orange Blossom Trail. Before that, Marie Moore killed her 20-year-old son before shooting herself at the Shoot Straight Gun Range in Casselberry. Three weeks later, Jason McCarthy, 26, rented a 9 mm gun from the same Shoot Straight and killed himself. A woman also shot herself in a suicide attempt at an east Orange County gun range in June.

 

[stillaftermath]

I was listening to some lady on CNN who I thought was Nancy Grace due to the dripping sarcasm, over the top acting, and willfully biased ignorance, but turned out to be some other girl competing for the top idiot journalist award, when I first heard about this.

About 30 seconds into the story, while talking to some on-scene reporter, she says "And apparently he used THIRTY ROUND CLIPS that make it REALLY EASY, MERE CHILD'S PLAY, to murder HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE in MERE SECONDS and were ILLEGAL under the Assault Weapons Ban that expired JUST YEARS AGO, and our President has FAILED THESE PEOPLE by not renewing the ban on these HORRIBLE, MURDERING DEVICES."

Seriously. I'm quoting verbatim. I'm surprised we haven't all been shot dead by our own weapons firing 30 round mags by now, given that they are apparently bestowed with some kind of mythical ability to kill several people with each pull of the trigger.

This was followed a couple minutes later by a guy who was introduced as the local police weapons instructor & firearms expert, who proceeded to say exactly the same thing. So the police weapons instructor for this area doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine. That's comforting.

I'm afraid this might be just the thing that's going to tip the scales back in favor of renewing the AWB, instead of looking at the situation logically, and noticing the pattern that all these shooting sprees occur in places that are "Gun Free Zones(tm)"

 

[chuckusaret]

The Palm Beach Post here in Palm Beach County Florida has been a left wing newspaper for years and survived because it was the only local newspaper. This has all changed. Because of their very biased coverages of the Obama campaign and steady bashing of Bush their readership and subscriptions dropped drasticly to a point where they were forced to reorganize and downsize. Their product now is not much better than the free weekly shoppers news found in the boxes on the street corners in most cities. I don't take or read the Palm Beach.

 

[Hk91-762mm]

While true some dems are pro gun-the vast majority of them are anti freedom and act on emotion. NOT willing to think for themselves they react to what they hear on the news. An example is a farm mechanic who comes to my workplace and told me those UZIs should be out lawed -Now he owns guns And I told him that an UZI was nothing more than a giant 9mm pistol no more dangerous than any other pistol -He still wanted them banned because they Must be bad.

I found this bit of outright propaganda this Am and thought of this thread==

By IOAN GRILLO / MEXICO CITY Ioan Grillo / Mexico City – Mon Aug 10, 3:05 am ET
The camcorder shakes as it films the thud of thick .50 caliber bullets ripping through a steel plate target in the heat of the Arizona desert. Panning across the jagged rocks and cacti, the camera then focuses on the shooter: a smiling Mexican sitting down on the dust as he uses both hands to fire the huge state-of-the-art weapon that can tear through tank armor. He was the happy customer, having bought the killing machine from an Arizona gun shop for about $21,000. The grainy video was seized by ATF agents in a raid on a weapon traffickers' safe house in Yuma. One man in the film was arrested and faces charges. But the man who showed off his shooting on the video is believed to be south of the border using the cannon-like gun to wage Mexico's relentless drug war.

There ya go

 

[LRaccuracy]

Jane Velez-Mitchell of HLN (another Communist Network News program) did the same thing on Friday 08/07/09 and then the re-run on Saturday 08/08/09.

She really tried to make it sound like people were buying their guns off the Internet illegally. OMG OMG... We have to stop this. Criminals are just buying guns on the Internet like their prescription drugs. Of course this is according to Jane Velez-Mitchell. And we all know that what is said on any CNN channel is "the truth."

 

[searcher451]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=467366

Lumping all media all the time into the same big vat is a dangerous practice, indeed. We've had many examples on this forum in recent months alone of the national and local media issuing positive reports on gun ownership, the RKBA, self-defense heroes, etc. Hyperbole doesn't help the situation, and it's also not High Road. Sure, some of them need a clout on the head. But this is definitely not a case of one size fits all.

 

[LRaccuracy]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck..... It must be a DUCK...

I'm only reporting exactly what I heard on HLN (CNN)

 

[sohcgt2]

This was from today on HLN (CNN)

Police in Fresno, CA doled out $35,000 in Target gift cards this weekend in exchange for guns. In less than three hours, they collected 447. The going rates? $50 for rifles & shotguns, $100 for handguns and $200 for assault weapons. I think it's great they got so many weapons off the street, but will their new "cash for guns" program really make a difference?

The conversation has already started... jump in!

Teresa on Facebook: "It is the illegal guns we worry about, not [people] who are legal & willing to bring the guns for trade. What is their point? Wasting more money?"

E-mail from Elaine in FL: "The people who turned in their guns… all looked like good citizens. They are not criminal types who are not going to turn theirs in for money... get real, folks!!!!"

Stacy on Facebook: "Wow, I think that’s a very good idea! The only people who should really be allowed with guns are the authorities…"

I still don't see the anti-slant everyone seems to talk about. The say police in Fresno Ca. got guns off the street and viewers say "so what, they aren't the guns we worry about."
They seem to show 2 sides of this coin.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

I still don't see the anti-slant everyone seems to talk about. The say police in Fresno Ca. got guns off the street and viewers say "so what, they aren't the guns we worry about."
They seem to show 2 sides of this coin.

Yeah, except for some of the anti-comments from ignorant people:

Stacy on Facebook: "Wow, I think that’s a very good idea! The only people who should really be allowed with guns are the authorities…

 

[cchris]

Now in the NEWEST news: President Obama purchased something in Wal-Mart once, the same store that Timothy McVeigh purchased something in!

This is really idiotic. Out of all fatal shootings, it's likely that someone is going to purchase some accessory from the same place as someone else.

 

[Mr. Bojangles]

I'll have to tell my wife to be careful where she buys gasoline so she doesn't end up driving drunk...

 

[chuckusaret]

As a past elected official I came under the daily scrutiny of my constituents. One news article that I cherish is one about an off duty police officer being arrested for DUI after leaving a bar that commissioner XXXMEXXX frequents. The problem with story is that I am not a drinker, but frequent the bar because of their hamburgers which they are well known for. I could never quite figure out what the writer was trying to get across by including my name in the article.