The Bachelor of Tactical Science Degree

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In the thread on supplementing training with competition I touched on how one should really have an individual training program. Amazingly enough, this arrived in my inbox tonight:

https://sofrep.com/news/would-you-g...ubmV0IiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSFZTM0NhIn0=


Core Curriculum: 40-ish Credits
This is where things really get interesting. Don’t hold me to the exact number of hours — I’m just spitballing here, but how about some classes like:

  • Physical Fitness: five days a week for the entire four years. Broken out in something like: Three days of Crossfit-style strength training, one day of aquatic training, and one day of classroom covering exercise physiology, diet, and nutrition, sleep hygiene, etc. (Here’s where my instructor nerd comes out: to account for injuries and excused absences you can miss up to 18 percent of physical fitness sessions per school year. However, you can miss no more than 10 percent of any given module, so you can’t decide you don’t like swimming and take all the swim days off.)
  • Unarmed Combatives: This would be cool. Five-day-a-week BJJ training (with attendance policy similar to physical fitness). Most students would probably leave with a very high blue belt, and more than a few motivated students could probably leave with a purple belt. Another option would be a year each of four different disciplines.
  • Emergency Medical Technician-Basic w/ TR-C: Taken during freshman year. Continuing education provided every year throughout. In a perfect world the campus could partner with the local EMS system to establish a clinical program similar to my current EMT program (I have to spend 36 hours in an ambulance and treat at least 10 patients to graduate).
  • Human Contact: I don’t know how else to describe this other than maybe a “situation awareness, avoidance, and how not to be an *******. . . unless you need to be” class. Textbooks: Left of Bang by Patrick van Horne, The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker, and It’s Not All About Me by Robin Dreeke.
  • Digital Security: I’m at the age where most of my imagination centers around teaching rather than attending (thought attending would be cool) and I definitely want to teach this one. Textbook: Digital Self Defense by me, coming very soon.
  • High-Performance Driving: Driving on a track, skidpad, and some basic off-road driving. This portion would also cover some basics of vehicle maintenance like preventative maintenance and changing a tire. Driving is something you engage in daily, and something far more people should seek training in. Though I’ve attended several high-performance driving courses since, this is something I wish I had attended in my very early 20s. This skill is extremely likely to save a life. At my imaginary college, sustainment training would also be a requirement on a quarterly basis. If anyone has a great idea for a textbook for this one, please let me know.
  • Firearms 1: Basic Riflery. Students would get some experience operating lever-action, bolt-action, and semi-automatic rifles, and shooting at 100 to 500 yards. The practical test would be an iron-sight, range qualification similar to the Marine Corps’ old rifle qual. Shoot me ideas for textbooks.
  • Firearms 2: Basic Handguns. This would cover the modern technique of handgun manipulation, including presentation, basic marksmanship, emergency, speed, tactical reloads, malfunction clearance, and SHO/WHO shooting. This class would also cover carry methodology and the operation of striker-fired, single-action, and double-action pistols and double-action revolvers. Textbooks: Stay in the Fight by Kyle Lamb, Concealed Carry Class by Tom Givens.
  • Firearms 3: Integrating rifle and pistol skills into close-range, urban style carbine work from 0-100 yards. Pistols would be utilized and pistol skills refreshed frequently. Classroom work would cover terminal ballistics for both rifle and carbine. This class would also include low/no-light fire and range time with the shotgun. TEXTBOOK: Green Eyes, Black Rifles by Kyle Lamb.
  • Capstone: Force-on-force scenarios with integrated combatives, IDPA-style scenarios, etc. Would also incorporate driving skills, medical scenarios, human-contact skills into full-spectrum defensive scenarios.
Electives: 20 credits
Obviously there is the opportunity for some very cool electives. Here are a few of my ideas. If you want, you could probably put together some pretty cool focuses/minors.

  • Long Range Shooting (Textbook: Long Range Shooting by Ryan Cleckner)
  • Basic Patrolling (Textbook: Tactical Manual: Small Unit Tactics by Max Alexander — I haven’t read this one but it comes well recommended to me.)
  • Firearms: Foreign Weapons
  • Firearms: Double-Action Revolvers
  • Surveillance (Textbooks: Secrets of Surveillance, Surveillance Countermeasures, and Countering Hostile Surveillance by ACM IV Security Services)
  • Lock & restraint defeat (Textbooks: Practical Lock Picking and Keys to the Kingdom by Devian Ollam)
  • Tactical Questioning, Interviewing, & Interrogation
  • Advanced EMT
  • Wilderness EMT
  • Wilderness Survival
  • Preparedness
  • Instructor Development
  • Skydiving: Admittedly this isn’t a “tactical” skill unless you become proficient enough to challenge freefall school. Not everything has to be uber-serious, however. This is an adventurous pursuit, and would probably appeal to a lot of students.
  • SCUBA Diving: again, little tactical applicability, but definitely a fun skill to have.
This list is obviously geared towards the military. I think it would be a worthwhile exercise to pare it down and make the relevant additions needed for a private citizen to be prepared.
 
Between my attendance at a Law Enforcement academy that was also based on a four year Criminal Justice curriculum and my 4 years in the military and 6 years as a PI, I officially designate myself graduated. I took nearly all those classes including the electives and have read three of the mentioned texts.

All in all it was a fun ride I don't ever want to go on again.

Great curriculum though. Im sure the washout rate would be high as having to do all that in 4 years would be pretty intense. Especially with bookwork thrown in there. Its almost like SFAS and SFQC.
 
In the thread on supplementing training with competition I touched on how one should really have an individual training program. Amazingly enough, this arrived in my inbox tonight:

https://sofrep.com/news/would-you-go-to-school-for-a-bachelors-of-tactical-sciences-degree/?utm_campaign=Tactical Science Degree: Would you take it? (RjUa96)&utm_medium=email&utm_source=SOFREP SITREP Engaged 120 Days-NON GMAIL ONLY&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJqcndoaXRlQG1pZHdlc3QubmV0IiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSFZTM0NhIn0=


Core Curriculum: 40-ish Credits
This is where things really get interesting. Don’t hold me to the exact number of hours — I’m just spitballing here, but how about some classes like:


  • Physical Fitness: five days a week for the entire four years. Broken out in something like: Three days of Crossfit-style strength training, one day of aquatic training, and one day of classroom covering exercise physiology, diet, and nutrition, sleep hygiene, etc. (Here’s where my instructor nerd comes out: to account for injuries and excused absences you can miss up to 18 percent of physical fitness sessions per school year. However, you can miss no more than 10 percent of any given module, so you can’t decide you don’t like swimming and take all the swim days off.)
  • Unarmed Combatives: This would be cool. Five-day-a-week BJJ training (with attendance policy similar to physical fitness). Most students would probably leave with a very high blue belt, and more than a few motivated students could probably leave with a purple belt. Another option would be a year each of four different disciplines.
  • Emergency Medical Technician-Basic w/ TR-C: Taken during freshman year. Continuing education provided every year throughout. In a perfect world the campus could partner with the local EMS system to establish a clinical program similar to my current EMT program (I have to spend 36 hours in an ambulance and treat at least 10 patients to graduate).
  • Human Contact: I don’t know how else to describe this other than maybe a “situation awareness, avoidance, and how not to be an *******. . . unless you need to be” class. Textbooks: Left of Bang by Patrick van Horne, The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker, and It’s Not All About Me by Robin Dreeke.
  • Digital Security: I’m at the age where most of my imagination centers around teaching rather than attending (thought attending would be cool) and I definitely want to teach this one. Textbook: Digital Self Defense by me, coming very soon.
  • High-Performance Driving: Driving on a track, skidpad, and some basic off-road driving. This portion would also cover some basics of vehicle maintenance like preventative maintenance and changing a tire. Driving is something you engage in daily, and something far more people should seek training in. Though I’ve attended several high-performance driving courses since, this is something I wish I had attended in my very early 20s. This skill is extremely likely to save a life. At my imaginary college, sustainment training would also be a requirement on a quarterly basis. If anyone has a great idea for a textbook for this one, please let me know.
  • Firearms 1: Basic Riflery. Students would get some experience operating lever-action, bolt-action, and semi-automatic rifles, and shooting at 100 to 500 yards. The practical test would be an iron-sight, range qualification similar to the Marine Corps’ old rifle qual. Shoot me ideas for textbooks.
  • Firearms 2: Basic Handguns. This would cover the modern technique of handgun manipulation, including presentation, basic marksmanship, emergency, speed, tactical reloads, malfunction clearance, and SHO/WHO shooting. This class would also cover carry methodology and the operation of striker-fired, single-action, and double-action pistols and double-action revolvers. Textbooks: Stay in the Fight by Kyle Lamb, Concealed Carry Class by Tom Givens.
  • Firearms 3: Integrating rifle and pistol skills into close-range, urban style carbine work from 0-100 yards. Pistols would be utilized and pistol skills refreshed frequently. Classroom work would cover terminal ballistics for both rifle and carbine. This class would also include low/no-light fire and range time with the shotgun. TEXTBOOK: Green Eyes, Black Rifles by Kyle Lamb.
  • Capstone: Force-on-force scenarios with integrated combatives, IDPA-style scenarios, etc. Would also incorporate driving skills, medical scenarios, human-contact skills into full-spectrum defensive scenarios.
Electives: 20 credits
Obviously there is the opportunity for some very cool electives. Here are a few of my ideas. If you want, you could probably put together some pretty cool focuses/minors.


  • Long Range Shooting (Textbook: Long Range Shooting by Ryan Cleckner)
  • Basic Patrolling (Textbook: Tactical Manual: Small Unit Tactics by Max Alexander — I haven’t read this one but it comes well recommended to me.)
  • Firearms: Foreign Weapons
  • Firearms: Double-Action Revolvers
  • Surveillance (Textbooks: Secrets of Surveillance, Surveillance Countermeasures, and Countering Hostile Surveillance by ACM IV Security Services)
  • Lock & restraint defeat (Textbooks: Practical Lock Picking and Keys to the Kingdom by Devian Ollam)
  • Tactical Questioning, Interviewing, & Interrogation
  • Advanced EMT
  • Wilderness EMT
  • Wilderness Survival
  • Preparedness
  • Instructor Development
  • Skydiving: Admittedly this isn’t a “tactical” skill unless you become proficient enough to challenge freefall school. Not everything has to be uber-serious, however. This is an adventurous pursuit, and would probably appeal to a lot of students.
  • SCUBA Diving: again, little tactical applicability, but definitely a fun skill to have.
This list is obviously geared towards the military. I think it would be a worthwhile exercise to pare it down and make the relevant additions needed for a private citizen to be prepared.

After reading all the above I was about to tell you, hey, go for it, get someone to bankroll you... I really thought you wrote it. Then I decided to check the link and found you were quoting it.

Moving right along...
 
Hmm, IIRC, State of Texas mandates a core curriculum" of 30-40 hours (history, politics, math, science, and communication) and having at least 125 hours to convey a BS. So, that's close. I want to remember the AS has a reduced "core" (15-20hrs, maybe).

Looks like it would be a good program, but, you'd have to find the right institution for it.
 
Thought about the proposed curriculum - then considered my years on the street.... but I have no wish to ever go down that road again... Still have the empty band-aid box that came with the lessons, though...

Wonder, all these years later, what any of it was worth?
 
I agree with earthgoat. Between military experience, search and rescue diving, backpack trip guide, I feel like I did a lot of that. It was fun in my 20s and 30s but I don't think I'd want to do it now. Brings to mind the other thread we have going on about overuse injuries. I definitely could have made better career choices.

I'm sure it would appeal to a certain segment of the population.
 
Sounds like a fluff degree to me. Between military school, military, and law enforcement work I have done everything on the list.
 
I posted this list in the hope that we could come up with a list of classes and training for the armed citizen. We get a lot of threads on where to find good training and what would make a good program for the private citizen and I thought using this list as an example we could come up with a program.
 
Justin Carroll, the author of that article, has a heck of a blog full of interesting information: www.swiftsilentdeadly.com. There are a fair amount of posts about firearms (mostly related to software and not hardware). I am subscriber and highly recommend it.
 
Amen.... Learning how to deal with problem children (no matter how old they are...) is a very important skill. Being able to handle most situations with absolutely no force at all (either hand to hand or what comes next in the "force ladder" ...) is just so important. As a young cop I started more than my share of fights - in my later years I'd learned how to handle folks well enough that a weapon of any kind was mostly not needed... Any call that even possibly included firearms though - that's when I always had a shotgun in hand if at all possible.
 
You can get this at Ft Bragg. It requires a short swearing in ceremony and a short haircut.

Funny. :rofl:

The author of that post has some pretty extensive experience as both a soldier and a contractor. He's really an interesting writer with a variety of experiences, the most recent of which involves training to become an EMT.
 
Although it sounds cool, I fail to see the purpose for this degree. Will we take this degree and make it a requirement for jobs that do not require it right now? I believe over the past 30 years that has been done to many fields that used to not require a degree. So an individual spends a large chunk of money on a degree and goes in debt, so they can get hired for a job that doesn’t require it?

If an individual needs this training, most likely their employer will provide it. Nothing wrong with learning everything listed, to become more proficient, prepared, or just for fun. I think it is a great idea to learn those skills for the sake of learning them. An actual bachelor degree though... That sounds like fluff, and a waste of money promising returns the student is never likely to see.

Sorry to sound negative, but it’s just one guys opinion who likes learning new skills and has probably taken too many college classes.
 
I think it’s more of a philosophical mental exercise/allegory for becoming an everyday warrior.

I do not think any accredited universities are going to be taking on a program like this anytime soon. Especially considering the types who run those institutions.

It’s just a fun study on being a defense/survival minded everyday citizen.

As has been established, a stint or two in the Armed Forces with the right job title and you can get all of this free of charge. Even paid for it with three hots and a cot and a target rich environment.
 
Again, I started this thread to use as a guide to plan a training program for the armed citizen. There is no such degree anywhere. I did most of those things between my career in the Army and my second career in law enforcement.

Today many of these things are available to the private citizen in some form. Using this list as a guide we can come up with a list of recommended classes available to the private citizen that parallels this list.

It probably should start with whatever training is required where you live to carry a firearm.

What’s the next step? Anyone?
 
Does gamer experience count?

Call of Duty? Doom? Mortal Kombat?

How about experience as a Mall Cop?

:):):)

Seriously, I could see some kind of curriculum being nice, but an actual degree in it? I'm not so sure.
 
Thought about the proposed curriculum - then considered my years on the street.... but I have no wish to ever go down that road again... Still have the empty band-aid box that came with the lessons, though...

Wonder, all these years later, what any of it was worth?
I recently retired from the streets after 13 years. What did I take away from it? Especially in TODAY's trying times? That I made the right decision to leave. I wouldn't go back down that road again, either.
 
I think the most important things are learning basic things: firearms safety, marksmanship, first aid skills, legal issues surrounding firearms, and being aware of what is going on around you.

Few people are going to be all that interested in going beyond that.
 
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