"The Best Single Stack 9" ?
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Lots people mention S&W 3913. But my heart set with my first gen 39-2.
To be fair, I've only owned two single-stack 9's. An LC9 and a Shield. Sold the LC9 over a month ago. Just couldn't get along with the trigger and I didn't care to spend any money on an upgrade.
I am REALLY diggin' the Shield though. Decent trigger out of the box, comfortable and reliable (after about 500 rounds). I'd love to pick up it's older brother (3913) on of these days too.
I am REALLY diggin' the Shield though. Decent trigger out of the box, comfortable and reliable (after about 500 rounds). I'd love to pick up it's older brother (3913) on of these days too.
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I half expect that is going to be the case.
rbernie
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P225.
RustyShackelford
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Opines....
The Yankee Marshal of Youtube, recently put out a new clip which praised S&W for modifying the Shields for new models w/o manual safety levers.
TYM takes full credit for the S&W move.
He also states this new format may create the "best single stack 9x19mm"(9mm compact on the US market).
Id suggest the top rated ASP 9mm from Paris Theodore. He took a S&W model 39/39-2 & converted it into a slick carry pistol.
Big ups to the SIG Sauer P225/P6 9mm, HK P7m8 & SIG P210.
Rusty
PS; I like the left ejecting Walther P5 but it was before my era.
The Yankee Marshal of Youtube, recently put out a new clip which praised S&W for modifying the Shields for new models w/o manual safety levers.
TYM takes full credit for the S&W move.
He also states this new format may create the "best single stack 9x19mm"(9mm compact on the US market).
Id suggest the top rated ASP 9mm from Paris Theodore. He took a S&W model 39/39-2 & converted it into a slick carry pistol.
Big ups to the SIG Sauer P225/P6 9mm, HK P7m8 & SIG P210.
Rusty
PS; I like the left ejecting Walther P5 but it was before my era.
Capt. Ct.
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There are many good choices out there. Lots of people are saying the 3913. I can't argue with that. Sure wish I still had mine. Today I mostly carry an M&P Shield. I also have an XDS. If I ever found a 3913 for a reasonable price I would jump on it.
jfrey
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Another vote for the Shield.
I carry a sig p6. It was tough to find extra mags. Have shot over 1000 rounds through it and not a single malfunction. I like the way the grip feels in my hand. My wife and teenage children don't have problems working the slide. A good gun IMO.
Edarnold
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HK P7, a case of the size of the pistol being appropriate to the caliber and capacity. Owned and carried an S&W 39 for years, but compared to the P7 it's unnecessarily bulky.
I have a pair of SIG P225s and a P239. They're great pistols but I gave up on both for CC and much prefer the Ruger KLCR in that role. A polymer framed P239 would get my attention .... maybe. So basically I'm saying that neither SIG models qualify as the "best" single stack 9mm. I have no idea which one is and will leave that fight to others.
It is hard to beat a P7 as a single stack 9.
usp9
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That new Walther looks very interesting. Walther's version of the HK P7.
There are lots of good single stack pistols. In a concealed carry gun I look for three basic features; reliable, small enough to conceal and light enough to want to wear. A thin profile helps too, but here is where some hairs are split, as most guns are concealable one way or another.
Any polymer Kahr fits the bill, whether small, medium or large. The steel guns are substantially heavier and players in the field, but the poly Kahrs are about a half pound less in weight. A P9 is almost a perfect size carry. I prefer the TP9 personally. The Kahrs grips are sometimes cut down by owners to a smaller magazine length, (called "covert" models). The theory being that a smaller grip is easier to hide. A 4" barreled TP9 could be cut down to a P size grip or even a PM size. A very neat feature and doable by most garage gunsmiths.
The HK P7 is a great gun, but in a polymer world, it's a bit heavy. The polymer version coming by Walther is a nice compromise in weight. Still heavier than a comparable 4" barreled Kahr, but close.
The Walther PPS is a solid performer. The changeable grip is super. An idea Kahr should recognize. A very close call between the Walther and the Kahr - not sure which I'd pick.
The S&W 39 series is indeed solid and reliable. The one critical area may be it's width. Otherwise, except for no longer being in production, (like the HK P7), it is a good choice.
If tiny is required, then one should look to the Rohrbaugh. It's thin, light, reliable and certainly small enough to conceal in just about any circumstance. The one drawback; like the HK P7, not a gun you put hundreds of rounds through in a short period of time.
Lots of good choice to fill your particular needs. These are the ones I like.
There are lots of good single stack pistols. In a concealed carry gun I look for three basic features; reliable, small enough to conceal and light enough to want to wear. A thin profile helps too, but here is where some hairs are split, as most guns are concealable one way or another.
Any polymer Kahr fits the bill, whether small, medium or large. The steel guns are substantially heavier and players in the field, but the poly Kahrs are about a half pound less in weight. A P9 is almost a perfect size carry. I prefer the TP9 personally. The Kahrs grips are sometimes cut down by owners to a smaller magazine length, (called "covert" models). The theory being that a smaller grip is easier to hide. A 4" barreled TP9 could be cut down to a P size grip or even a PM size. A very neat feature and doable by most garage gunsmiths.
The HK P7 is a great gun, but in a polymer world, it's a bit heavy. The polymer version coming by Walther is a nice compromise in weight. Still heavier than a comparable 4" barreled Kahr, but close.
The Walther PPS is a solid performer. The changeable grip is super. An idea Kahr should recognize. A very close call between the Walther and the Kahr - not sure which I'd pick.
The S&W 39 series is indeed solid and reliable. The one critical area may be it's width. Otherwise, except for no longer being in production, (like the HK P7), it is a good choice.
If tiny is required, then one should look to the Rohrbaugh. It's thin, light, reliable and certainly small enough to conceal in just about any circumstance. The one drawback; like the HK P7, not a gun you put hundreds of rounds through in a short period of time.
Lots of good choice to fill your particular needs. These are the ones I like.
Another great thing about the P7 is the squeeze cocker. I always found it intuitive, quick and easy to activate. People who thought that anything that felt different than a 1911 in heir hand hated it. The squeeze cocker allowed for a smooth and relatively light trigger pull. The alternatives were having a pistol cocked with a safety on, a striker pulled half-way back, or double action triggers.
I don't see the Walther CCP has the new incarnation of the HK P7M8, I just see it borrowing the gas-delayed concept.
I don't see the Walther CCP has the new incarnation of the HK P7M8, I just see it borrowing the gas-delayed concept.
I think the Kahr CM9 and the Rohrbaugh R9 are more different than the specs on the websites would indicate.
I noticed that the CM9 looked a lot bigger in my pocket than the R9 – bigger than the pistol measurements would seem to account for. So I got out a ruler and I discovered that the OAL measurements for the CM9 are larger than what is published on Kahr's website.
Kahr gives the overall length of the CM9 as 5.42” If you measure just the slide from the rear to the muzzle end, the slide is 5.4375” So it is closer to 4.4” than it is to 4.2”. But that isn't really the OAL of the CM9. Putting the gun in a box, and putting the top of the slide against one wall of the box and sliding the gun until the rearmost part of the pistol touches another wall of the box, and measuring from there, the Kahr is actually 5.625” long. This is similar to how guns are measured with the IDPA box test if people are familiar with that.
Here are some side by side pictures of the CM9 and the R9:
The slightly smaller and slightly lighter Rohrbaugh R9 does have a lot of utility if someone wants to pocket carry.
I noticed that the CM9 looked a lot bigger in my pocket than the R9 – bigger than the pistol measurements would seem to account for. So I got out a ruler and I discovered that the OAL measurements for the CM9 are larger than what is published on Kahr's website.
Kahr gives the overall length of the CM9 as 5.42” If you measure just the slide from the rear to the muzzle end, the slide is 5.4375” So it is closer to 4.4” than it is to 4.2”. But that isn't really the OAL of the CM9. Putting the gun in a box, and putting the top of the slide against one wall of the box and sliding the gun until the rearmost part of the pistol touches another wall of the box, and measuring from there, the Kahr is actually 5.625” long. This is similar to how guns are measured with the IDPA box test if people are familiar with that.
Here are some side by side pictures of the CM9 and the R9:
The slightly smaller and slightly lighter Rohrbaugh R9 does have a lot of utility if someone wants to pocket carry.
boricua9mm
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For me, they are...
HK P7 (PSP)
HK P7M8
SIG P225
SIG P239
SIG P220 (yes, they also came in 9mm)
S&W 3913/3914
Walther P5
S&W 952
SIG P210
...the latter of the two obviously being more target oriented. I own and carry a Kahr now, but looking at the design it's hard for me to say it's the *best* of anything other than a compromising pocket pistol.
HK P7 (PSP)
HK P7M8
SIG P225
SIG P239
SIG P220 (yes, they also came in 9mm)
S&W 3913/3914
Walther P5
S&W 952
SIG P210
...the latter of the two obviously being more target oriented. I own and carry a Kahr now, but looking at the design it's hard for me to say it's the *best* of anything other than a compromising pocket pistol.
IMO, there is something to be said about being "the best" at being a pocket pistol, managing to stay under 23 ounces but still fire a major caliber like the 9mm, having a snag-free design and usable sights.
Some of them are design factors that are at loggerheads with each other.
Some of them are design factors that are at loggerheads with each other.
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