the finish on my cz shadow 2 is soft

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i often bring multiple pistols to the range and usually set them to the my left. i had set down 2 pistols a sig 220 and my newest pistol a cz shadow 2 on my right. i have a screen to my right. the guns i have often had on that side in the past have included ruger srh, s&w 586, ruger mark 2, victory 22. none have had gouges from brass bouncing off the screen and then hitting the guns.

the 9mm brass put 4 nicks on the finish that is easily felt with my fingers. my other czs have never been to my right while shooting. the sig had a brass mark that you could see but not feel. aaaargh!!!

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Not an expert on shake and bake gun finishes. I will say that the shake and bake finish on my CZ PCR is light years better than the shake and bake finish on my Kimber ProII.
 
my czpcr which i bought used doesn't have gouges but has 3 small chipped areas hardly noticeable. i don't know how it happened and i bought it used so it has never bothered me.

my used sp01 has no marks , my cz 85 and a since traded cz75 never had marks.
they were usually to my left on the bench while shooting other guns.

to have nicks from brass bouncing off the screen and onto the gun is unbelievable.
it's also my priciest cz.
 
Brass kisses from ejected brass isn't just concentric to CZ. I have semi autos of different brands that cost far more than my CZ that have issues with brass kisses.
 
brass marks/kisses no problem nicks/ small gouges irritating. but i still love the gun.
 
That's disappointing. I really want one of these, but I get pissed when a finish is delicate. I know, I know. If it shoots well what's the difference? Well if it was a $400 truck gun, you get what you pay for. In this case, I would expect a $1200 gun to hold up a little better.
 
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FWIW, I feel like I remember the finish on my PCR being on par with the AK I had.
In other words, as bulletproof as anything sprayed on could be.
This makes me think maybe that didn't cure properly.
 
i called cz usa today. they said the finish is softer that the brass and that nicks may occur from brass mouth hitting it and that there's nothing that can be done. he couldn't tell me how thick the coating was. it sounds like a crappy thing to me.

my revolvers(they are always to the right of me) that would have been hit with brass tons of times in their finish have never had a nick. a smith 586, a black 6 inch half lug gp100 , ruger mark 2 22 pistol, my 1911s(although i'll refrain from putting those ever in the same spot). my rifles(ar, cz 455, riger 10/22)when im shooting rifles and handguns.
 
stchman said:
I was considering the Shadow 2, but for ~$1200, the finish should be better than that.
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Its made to dominate the competition.. not look pretty.
I certainly wouldn't buy a race car as a grocery getter then cry about door dings.. ;)
 
tarosean said:
Its made to dominate the competition.. not look pretty.
I certainly wouldn't buy a race car as a grocery getter then cry about door dings.. ;)
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Blah, blah, I know, guns are tools, like a hammer. We all know that's a bunch of hooey.

My point is, if they put a lousy finish on the gun, did they do all the other QC stuff to make sure it will "dominate the competition"?

If it is indeed a tool and looks don't matter, just don't put a finish on it at all? Just give the metal a brushed look.
 
stchman said:
Blah, blah, I know, guns are tools, like a hammer. We all know that's a bunch of hooey.
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Yet this was a hammer that is specifically built to skirt the rules of USPSA/IPSC competition. So its not really hooey as you put it..
CZ has never been known for their finishes.
 
tarosean said:
Yet this was a hammer that is specifically built to skirt the rules of USPSA/IPSC competition. So its not really hooey as you put it..
CZ has never been known for their finishes.
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Thing is, the majority of people that are going to buy guns in this class aren't going to compete with them, they bought them because they look cool. I maintain that guns are just tools is still hooey. If guns were just tools, all I would need are some Glocks.
 
stchman said:
Thing is, the majority of people that are going to buy guns in this class aren't going to compete with them, they bought them because they look cool. I maintain that guns are just tools is still hooey. If guns were just tools, all I would need are some Glocks.
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I think that you are wrong on this point. The CZ Shadow 2 was made for gun games. USPSA/IPSC/ Steel Challenges. It was designed and built for that purpose. The vast majority of people buying this gun are buying it with that purpose in mind. Some will purchase it as a target gun but most are buying it to run it hard in gun games and put it away wet.

I think tarosean is spot on with his assessment. CZ is not know for their finishes. The polycoat has come a long way from its original formulation and for the most part holds up well. It is however thick. It will show nick and dings more than even cerakote IMHO. Also I believe that CZ has issues with the polycoat over the melonite frame on the Shadow 2s. Lots of people have stripped the polycoat off there guns after just a few range sessions where it went in and out of the holster. It sucks but finish wear is the nature of the beast. Some wear better than others. I personally put CZs finishes in the 5 out of 10 range. I would be not be happy with that wear but I have owned enough CZs to know going in that the polycoat is what it is.
 
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WVsig said:
I think that you are wrong on this point. The CZ Shadow 2 was made for gun games. USPSA/IPSC/ Steel Challenges. It was designed an built for that purpose. The vast majority of people buying this gun are buying it with that purpose in mind. Some will purchase it as a target gun but most are buying it to run it hard in gun games and put it away wet.

I think tarosean is spot on with his assessment. CZ is not know for their finishes. The polycoat has come a long way from its original formulation and for the most part holds up well. It is however thick. It will show nick and dings more than even cerakote IMHO. Also I believe that CZ has issues with the polycoat over the melonite frame on the Shadow 2s. Lots of people have stripped the polycoat off there guns after just a few range sessions where it went in and out of the holster. It sucks but finish wear is the nature of the beast. Some wear better than others. I personally put CZs finishes in the 5 out of 10 range. I would be not be happy with that wear but I have owned enough CZs to know going in that the polycoat is what it is.
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I'm sure that's what people say to themselves to justify the cost. I know quite a few people that own really high end guns that pretty much do nothing but sit in the safe, then they go buy more. Same people own 12" .500S&W revolvers with a scope, why, just to have. There's nothing wrong with having a gun just cause. Kind of like the retired couple that buys a $70,000 Corvette. Are they going take that car to the track, nope, they're going to just cruise it around and look stylish.

My reason for this post, not every gun has to have a specific purpose. Just to have is a valid enough reason, I know I've got a LOT of guns that fall into that category. Shocker that there are a lot of people that go shooting because they enjoy shooting, not to train.

If CZ has a problem with their finish on their expensive high end guns, they need to do better as there are other competitors out there.
 
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PS I won't be crying when it shows finish wear. Just saying...
 
To the OP I would call back and speak with them. CZ replaced my Shadow 2 in Urban Gray because of polycoat issues. It was chipping down to the nitride finish. They did not properly prep the pistol before applying the polycoat and it was flaking off. It took almost 8 weeks to get it back. They cannot fix the polycoat in the US because EPA reg do not allow them to use the chemicals involved. Looking at your pistol I am willing to bet they applied it too thick and it was not able to properly cure. Something similar happened to my P01. At first it bothered me but the more I shot it the less I cared.
 
don't know if I'll bother. if they say it really is softer than brass and will show nicks from brass case mouths then i think they ought to put a tougher finish. but so far they are saying that what happened is normal.

it's a range toy for me and i would have liked to keep it smooth. i would like to have known it was that prone to nicks and avoided having brass land on it. after all it was on my right side so the gun wouldn't have been exposed to side muzzle blast if i kept it on the left.( it would have been at the forward end of the table, to the left and in front of the muzzle but 3 feet lower.)
 
roval said:
don't know if I'll bother. if they say it really is softer than brass and will show nicks from brass case mouths then i think they ought to put a tougher finish. but so far they are saying that what happened is normal.

it's a range toy for me and i would have liked to keep it smooth. i would like to have known it was that prone to nicks and avoided having brass land on it. after all it was on my right side so the gun wouldn't have been exposed to side muzzle blast if i kept it on the left.( it would have been at the forward end of the table, to the left and in front of the muzzle but 3 feet lower.)
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I understand it sucks but I would still call back and press them on it if it really bothers you.
 
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