The FN Police Shotgun Stream Of Consciousness Review

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I mentioned a while back that I had purchased an example of the new FN Police Shotgun (a Winchester 1300 clone, hereafter FNPS) on Gunbroker and promised you all a review once I had spent some time with it. Well, I picked it up at my dealer's establishment yesterday afternoon, and unboxed, field stripped and degreased/cleaned it last night as per instructions in the owner's manual. I have yet to fire it or spend enough time with it to formulate any opinions beyond first impressions. See manufacturer's information at http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/sg_police.htm for details on this shotgun and illustrations.

Note going into this exercise that I have an oft-expressed preference for the Remington 870. I have not abandoned my long established love for this the (IMHO) finest example of American repeating shotguns ever produced, nor do I intend to do so. But I work with people who often don't have a great deal of disposable income yet feel the need a protective firearm in the home, and the opportunity to obtain a ready-to-run fighting shotgun, new in the box for about $250, is something I cannot ignore IF the gun bears up. If Chuck Taylor can shoot a Glock, I can run this gun for a while to see how it does. There are several reliable makers of serious-purpose scatterguns out there these days, and we are all lucky in that regard. Most any example from any of the best known makers will serve more than adequately for the lifetime of the original purchaser and even longer, given proper care. Various folks hold preferences for one over another for various reasons, but a solid example of any of them is a worthy companion for times when things go badly. A personal preference one way or another should not rule out objectivity when considering the field of worthy candidates.

Note that 'stream of consciousness' as used in the title here usually means 'disorganized' as far as literature is concened. That's what you will get here- bits and pieces of the review as they occur to me or as events unfold and data comes in. This will take time, bear with me please.

It is my intention- if the FNPS proves itself reliable in initial use- to make this my 'one and only' working gun for the next few months, until I can gather enough data to complete this review. Lacking that information at this point, I will offer first impressions here and now FWIW.

This is the second new-in-the-box shotgun I have purchased thru Gunbroker. It is also likely my last. Both purchases were complicated by various problems, and more importantly in both cases the dealer did not actually supply what was offered for sale. In this case it was my impression that the gun PICTURED was the gun FOR SALE. That was not the case. What was pictured in the ad was the seven shot version (Stock #17674), what was delivered was the five shot version (Stock #17675). I believe in truth in advertising, and this standard was not met in this case. But the gun is here, the paperwork is done and I will live with it. The price was decent enough ($229 plus $20 shipping) not to complain about any further I think.

The FNPS comes packed in a standard cardboard box protected by a form-fitted styrofoam liner and tissue paper. It is shipped in a coating of protective grease that needs to be removed before use- I found that WD-40 did a reasonably good job of dissolving the heavy brown coating from surfaces inside and out. The owner's manual strongly suggests cleaning the gun before initial firing is undertaken- were it in my power I would INSIST that this be done, with all new shotguns. There were a couple of places where the 'cosmoline' was thick enough in the bore of my example of the FNPS to be worrisome. It's not there any more though.

On initial inspection I noted several spots around the sights, barrel ring and magazine tube junction with the receiver that witnessed 'weeping' of chemical residue from the phosphate finishing process. The residue left a brown stain in some places and slightly 'freckled' the anodized finish of the receiver at the point where the magazine tube was installed. I brushed the residue away with an old toothbrush and some light gun oil and will keep a close eye on these areas for recurrence of 'weeping' or rust. Otherwise the finish on the steel magazine tube and barrel is a pleasing uniform matte medium gray, the receiver is anodized in flat black which coordinates well and gives the gun a very businesslike appearance.

I also noted a few areas of 'flashing' in the mold lines of the matte black plastic furniture. Some time spent with a metal nail file cleaned these areas up nicely and left a finished gripping surface on the stock and fore-arm. The forearm is the 6" long 'corncob' variety with deeb ribbing around its circumference. It offers a very secure grip to the operating hand. The stock is sharply checkered in the area where the strong hand falls. The curve of the pistol grip away from the trigger guard is pretty deep, it will make short statured shooters have to 'choke up' on the area to reach the trigger comfortably. Its length of pull from the factory is 13 1/2 inch, about an inch shorter than is standard on the usual US production shotgun. That will be a boon to some folks but is still too long for others (like my 5'4" wife).

The black composition recoil pad is held on by the usual two Phillips head screws and is fitted 'flat' to the end of the stock rather than in the reinforcing socket style seen on some thinwalled synthetic stocks. It mounts to a synthetic stock which has walls about 3/16" thick- pretty substantial by comparison to many offerings. It still sounds a bit hollow if thumped but doesn't resound nearly as much as thinner synthetic stocks do. The 'issue' recoil pad is pretty stiff and is not going to do a lot to help the recoil sensitive. Fortunately the stock is molded with fairly substantial 'ribs' at heel and toe, offering about an inch of room at top and bottom for screws to go into. And since these ribs are molded in for about 3" at the toe and the full length of the stock at the heel, there is ample opportunity to further shorten the stock if needed and to fit a more 'giving' recoil pad like a LimbSaver or KickEez as well. The rib at the toe of the stock also offers full purchase for the threads of the factory installed sling swivel stud. The pistol grip cap is held in place by a single slot head screw and covers a small space in that area that does not connect with the larger void inside the stock. There's enough room there for a spare extractor etc. but not a lot more, there is the usual amount of space in the rest of the stock for those who like to utilize every bit of space for spare parts etc.

The owner's manual is pretty straightforward and not overly painful to read. There is the usual concern for safety, not in one iota misplaced or overstated in my opinion. Granted a lot of verbiage in documents of this type is often an attempt to eliminate or reduce liability issues by the manufacturers of the products concerned. There is no sense in minimizing the potential for danger inherent in ANY firearm. FN puts it this way:

"As a gun owner, you accept a set of demanding responsibilities. How seriously you take these responsibilities can be the difference between life and death. There is no excuse for careless or abusive handling of any firearm. At all times handle your shotgun and any other firearm with intense respect for its power and potential danger."

That in my opinion is a beautifully crafted paragraph. Would that all firearms owners took its philosophy to heart.

The FN Police Shotgun is a very practical looking tool as delivered by the factory. I will not repeat details offered in the factory literature, but will paste that section minus pictures here for future reference in case the link goes away:

FNH USA
FN POLICE SHOTGUN

The reliability and simplicity of a pump action is combined with the strength and speed of a rotary bolt. This inertia-assisted action is the fastest pump shotgun you will ever shoot. It also provides the versatility of interchangeable choke tubes and a shorter stock to facilitate shooting while wearing body armor. It also features front and rear rifle sights, receiver top drilled and tapped for installation of optional sights, corrosion resistant manganese phosphate finish, synthetic stock and forearm, and interchangeable chokes (improved cylinder and modified choke tubes supplied).

Police Shotgun (7+1, 18") Product #: 17674
Police Shotgun (4+1, 18") Product #: 17675

CALIBER: 12 ga.
WEIGHT OVERALL: 6.5 lb.
LENGTH: 38.75"
BARREL LENGTH: 18" (14" available on special order, Law Enforcement only)
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 7 + 1 in chamber, or 4 + 1 in chamber
==================================

The FNPS has open type rifle sights installed on substantial steel bases which are silver soldered to the barrel. The front sight is a silver bead on a 1/4" tall post fitted into a 3/8" dovetail on the base. I plan to burnish this bead with fine- grit sandpaper before I shoot the gun to make it more visible. The rear sight is a fixed (non-folding) U-notch blade attached to a leaf type spring, adjusted for elevation with a stair-step slide ramp. The rear sight can be drifted in its dovetail for windage corrections. The sights are fairly small, low in profile and frankly difficult for my aging eyes to find quickly. They still offer a bit more precision than a simple bead however. When trigger time begins, we'll see how they do. I should note that the sight radius is 14" for the factory rifle sights. An advantage for some is that the aluminum receiver is already drilled and tapped in four places for mounting optical sight bases thereon, I personally do not burden fighting shotguns with optics.

The fact that all sighting equipment is on the barrel means that- IF Winchester 1300 barrels will interchange (and it appears they will)- the added verstility of using the gun in the field is available to the owner who buys a longer barrel for wingshooting etc. I am a great fan of guns which offer this added level of utility, specialization (as one writer famously put it) is for insects. For a household which can only afford one shotgun, it is a great advantage if that gun can be conveniently adapted to a variety of roles, and configured so that it fills the various roles with no disadvantages of note.

The FNPS is supplied with sling swivel studs installed from the factory, a nice touch on a real working gun. The front swivel stud is in the middle of the magazine cap, the rear is about 2 1/4" in front of the toe of the stock. I attached a new GI 'silent sling' installed on 1 1/4" Uncle Mike's quick detachable swivels as a carrying strap. This is my preferred setup for shotguns, carrying straps are handy in the field, on the range or when on guard but I don't care for slings inside the house and prefer to remove them when the gun assumes indoor duties.

This is a no-frills package, the FNPS is boxed with a cable lock and keys, an extra choke tube and spanner, and an owner's manual. That's it. No magazine plug to have to remove, as on a sporting gun. No fender skirts or fuzzy dice on the mirror. This is a serious shotgun from the getgo.

I have had some 'hands on' time with this gun for a bit now, toting it about the house and in the field while walking the dogs. It is compact for a standard configuration shotgun with its 18" barrel and short stock. At a bit over six pounds it is light and easy to carry. Of course that often bodes ill in the recoil department- we will see how that goes later. It balances very well and is quite handy. It will take me a while to get accustomed to a different manual of arms, of course, and that is why I intend to adopt this gun as my full time working shotgun for a protracted period.

The gun presently has the ImpCyl choke tube installed, it came with the MOD tube in place but I have changed it out as I intend to sight it in with slugs first as I usually do. The factory recommends CYL (not supplied but available as an accessory) or ImpCyl tubes for shooting slugs. I am going to shoot it a bit with light field loads first to get a feel for it before I commence working on the slug zero though.

I was impressed with this gun when I first saw one a few weeks ago on a dealer's rack. I determined to look into it then, and finding the FNPS available at such reasonable cost cemented the idea of getting one to test. Note that I was not given this gun to test by the factory, dealer or distributor, I am receiving no support or compensation at all of any sort from any source (save my long-suffering spouse) for my time, effort or materials.

Stay tuned,

lpl/nc
 
Nice start. I'm looking forward to the rest of the review.
Have you done any more testing with the Fiochi low-recoil 00 buck loads?

BTW: CDNN has the 7+1 version with choke tubes for $270+shipping and it comes with an extra stock (speedfeed 1). I don't know if that's a deal or not, but saw it last night in the newest flyer.
 
Excellent. My FNPS just arrived on Thursday, but I haven't got to shoot it yet and likely won't for at least a week. I look forward to the rest.
 
Great write up Lee, thanks for doing it. A couple things....

First, much as I love 870s, I know there's other good shotguns out there. The Wnchester 1200 in an agency setting didn't impress me, but all the privately held 1200s and 1300s I've shot have worked 100%.

Second, being a one shotgun shotgunner for a while is the only way to really learn this shotgun or any other. Shotgun and shooter have to become one for the best results.

At 6.5 lbs, this is quite light for a "serious" shotgun. I'd definitely consider R/R ammo.

And, I'd zero for buck of choice and then know where the slugs hit in relation to the Buck's POI.

Awaiting range results with aanticipation.....
 
Lee,
Great write up.
I've been w-a-i-t-i-n-g for this Report. :p

As per our communications...looking forward to your findings in regard to:
- Forearm replacments [hint: did ya check where I suggested?]
- About them Chokes [ yeah ya know 'that' dealie]
-How the PhD of the house feelsabout this set up.

Oh a wooden nickel says the old Fed 1oz slug and 00 buck hold their own out of that Mod tube against the newer RR loads to 25 steps and 12 respectively. *grin*

Steve
 
thanks for the informative write-up. i look forward to the rest of your comments and opinions.
 
Thanks! I look forward to your future reports.

I received one of these from CDNN last week and it is to be a Christmas gift for my brother. After looking it over I may have to buy another for myself. :cool:
 
Thanks for the comments, all.

Please note that I am no dog in the manger here, not staking out an exclusive claim to the territory. Anyone else who owns/shoots a FNPS is more than welcome to contribute their opinions, observations and conclusions to this thread. The more the merrier.

I find I neglected to note some details in describing parts of the gun in my first post. First of all markings. The right side of the receiver is stamped with the FN trademark and the words FN POLICE SHOTGUN, centered just above the safety button. On the left side of the receiver in approximately the same position is the serial number, in this case FL020XXX. The left side of the barrel is marked under the rear sight with MADE BY THE U. S. REPEATING ARMS CO./ IN NEW HAVEN, CT. U.S.A. On the left side of the barrel under the rear sight are the words FN HERSTAL, POLICE SHOTGUN/ 12 GA. 2 3/4 & 3" TAC-CHOKE TM.

The trigger plate in this model is plastic, which will be an anathema to some. I have two other Winchester 1300 types, one 12 and one 20, that I have owned for years. They have plastic trigger plates also, so this is no recent change in design. And the 'throat' into the magazine is also plastic, and that being an area where wear takes place has been a problem on some guns in the past over long periods and heavy use. Note that the shell stops on this design are contained in the trigger plate assembly rather than being attached to the receiver. Again, wear in this area can be a problem over time.

The magazine spring seems pretty robust to me. That is not a surprise on a law enforcement gun. And I was pleased to note (and verify through application of the ever-present refrigerator magnet) that the magazine follower is stamped sheet steel in this model- no plastic there. The magazine spring retainer is of the spring steel split cup type, easily removed by gentle prying with a screwdriver to give complete access to the magazine tube for cleaning and inspection. This capability is IMO essential for a fighting shotgun. Many feeding problems originate in the tubular magazine assembly and proper maintenance is essential. It is critical that access to the magazine tube be simple, and it should not require removing the magazine tube from the receiver as in some designs.

The safety detent is crisp and definite, and the safety button displays a bright red band when in the off position. Note that the safety is of the trigger blocking type and does not lock or block the hammer, thus sufficient force applied in the proper direction might possibly cause the hammer to dislodge from the sear and fire the gun if a round is chambered. Trigger pull is two stage and the trigger breaks fairly crisply at about eight pounds or so. I must confess that I do not own a trigger pull gauge, a shortcoming I am going to have to rectify. Therefore I cannot offer accurate information here on the trigger pull weight, just an educated estimate.

It is most interesting to be using a gun with controls in locations other than the ones I am accustomed after so long a time. And probably a good thing for me to be doing too. There is such a thing as 'getting into a rut' and that is not necessarily a good thing. I am a firm believer in getting 'grooved' into muscle memory the use of whatever firearm one uses regularly and depends on. And I am not one to recommend using a wide variety of guns on a constantly varying basis. But ANY use of a firearm should be a conscious act, that is, the shooter should be fully aware at some level of consciousness what he or she is doing whenever a firearm is handled.

And I believe any shooter worthy of the name should have a basic familiarity with several widely used firearm types, and moreover with variations by manufacturer and model among those types. In other words, one should know how to open the cylinder on S&W double action revolvers (push the cylinder latch forward) and on Colt double action revolvers too (pull back the cylinder latch). One should be able to load, fire, unload, make safe and safely handle a variety of handguns, shotguns and rifles, and should over time seek out opportunities to become familiar with various firearms makes and models- ESPECIALLY those which are available in populations numbering in the millions.

I have now had the opportunity to fire a few rounds through the newly cleaned FNPS. I started out with half a box of 7/8 ounce loads of #8s in a Remington field load at 1380 fps (if the box is to be believed). Recoil was surprisingly brisk in this lightweight shotgun but not uncontrollable or cripplingly painful. I would not recommend it to anyone with shoulder or back problems however, or to very new shooters likely to be overly sensitive to recoil. The action of the FNPS is set up to unlock at the moment of hammer fall and the recoil of the round fired helps retract the forearm if the shooter is prepared to use it. The action is very fast and followup shots are quite easy. I easily kept an empty 1-gallon plastic jug very active on the ground at 25 yards as long as the magazine held rounds.

I have also fired a few rounds of the Fiocchi low-recoil 00 buck load I wrote about earlier, using the ImpCyl choke tube. Patterns were not as tight overall as with the 870s I used in my earlier outing with this load. Using the same 11" wide by 21" tall target at 25 yards, I consistently lost two or three pellets off the target. Patterns were also impacting centered about 8" high above the point of aim as well, even with the rear sight fully lowered. It seems I may have to replace the front sight post with a taller one if I am to zero this gun with low recoil loads. Given its light weight overall, it seems to me at this point that low/reduced recoil loads will likely be the fodder of choice for this gun. I will be shooting it more with a variety of the buckshot and slug loads I have on hand before making any final determinations though. As is mostly common for me, the 'feature' of a 3" chamber in this gun will languish unused.

It is my intent in the forseeable future to add a six-round SideSaddle to this gun. Having handled it a bit my wife pronounces it useable as is for her, but NOT preferable to her custom-fitted 870s and has assured me there is no need for me to change out the fore-arm on her behalf, nor to shorten the stock any further. As the usual HD pumpgun around here wears a full length sporting style forearm and a 12 1/2" LOP stock so it fits her, a 4-round SideSaddle is also mandated. In this case I am going for all the additional weight I can get and will install the full sized SideSaddle.

It is my usual preference to have the forcing cones lengthened in working shotguns, as this seems to me to be the most consistent modification in actually improving buckshot patterns. I will be visiting home over the Christmas holdidays and already have a couple of barrels set aside for the professional attention of the folks at Colonial Arms in Selma, AL. But this barrel won't be one of them. This is a test, as they say, and it is a test of the production line gun "as is," as much as possible under the circumstances. I am not going to sacrifice utility as I define it to keep this gun in 'box stock' condition for the purposes of this test though.

I WILL do what I have to do to this example to make it perform to my standards as a working shotgun, because I will be using it as my primary defensive shotgun for the duration of the experiment. That means I will attach those accessories I prefer to have on a working gun as time and budget permit- provision for a detachable sling/carrying strap, a reload located on the gun, usefully visible sights and a white light source. But I will not be altering anything substantial about the gun itself, and that includes internal barrel geometry. I will draw the line at changing choke tubes for the duration of this test so far as that is concerned.

I know we all get 'into it' here every so often over what people do with/to their HD shotguns. I am one of those oldtimers who is a firm believer in a new shotgun shooter starting out with a box stock gun and learning the gun first, spending money on ammo and practice and training rather than accessories to hang on the gun to begin with. I have stated this opinion repeatedly, no doubt ad nauseam so far as some are concerned. I also believe that FIGHTING with a shotgun requires learning a different skillset than shooting one safely and successfully in clay games or in the field. Being an able shotgunner in the field or on the range is certainly no detriment to being an able gunfighter with a shotgun. Familiarity with the mechanics of the gun and hitting targets with it under varying conditions definitely help. But nothing else directly translates to improving shotgun fighting skills except training and practice for that specific purpose.

But I am not a new shotgun shooter. I have been shotgunning for about 40 years now. And I have paid attention to changes in doctrine and training in the tactical employment of shotguns for about half that time, with reasonably good access to the cutting edge provided by more than a decade working in an administrative position in military special operations training. I have helped train beginning shooters in defensive firearms use, for a time a certified NRA instructor in several defensive firearms disciplines. I am not a figure on a scale with leading instructors like Awerbuck, Cain etc. by any means, and have no pretentions as such. I don't have the credentials that our moderator Dave McC does as a trainer or competitor. But I am not a newbie. I have carried shotguns for real with the expectation of trouble on many occasions, and have trained with that expectation as well, both formally and informally. There are lots more people on this board better qualified than I am to write this sort of thing, and sometimes they do it too. I always appreciate expertise when I see it.

This is a review of a purpose-built fighting shotgun. It isn't a trap gun or a fine field shotgun, though it might do quite well for big game hunting if needed for that by its owner. It is a police gun, a weapon. It isn't pretty in the blued-steel-and polished-walnut sense that some people like. It is matte black plastic and anodized aluminum, phosphate finished steel and not pretty in any usual sense of the word. It happens that I have employed one or another sort of fighting shotgun for decades, and have an affinity for the breed more so than any other defensive firearm. I LIKE having a shotgun handy. Nothing in this world is 100% certain as a fight stopper, not even a shotgun loaded with buckshot and slugs. But it is the best thing I can put my hands on for the purpose when properly loaded and employed. And that is what this is all about.

lpl/nc
 
thanks again lee-
interesting notes about the 'throat' to the mag tube, and the shell stops. could you explain exactly what you mean by the 'throat'?? i'm not familiar with the winnies or fnps and am not quite sure what you are referring to.

I have also fired a few rounds of the Fiocchi low-recoil 00 buck load I wrote about earlier, using the ImpCyl choke tube. Patterns were not as tight overall as with the 870s I used in my earlier outing with this load
did the 870s have lengthened forcing cones or stock?? if they did, how would you rate the patterns to a box stock 870?? generalization of course, being that all shotties pattern differently.
 
proven,

See the diagram at
http://www.schiessen-erzgebirge.de/Blueprints/winchester1300_0001.jpg and note the part at the receiver end of the magazine tube. That's it... and the assembly of the shell stops into the trigger plate is shown there also.

The two 870s I used testing the RR Fiocchi 00 loads the first time out both have lengthened forcing cones. It was done so long ago on both of them that I don't have any specific before and after comparisons left in the memory banks. One barrel had choke tubes put in at the same time, the other was a factory fixed ImpCyl and the choke was left as issued in that barrel. It's been my experience that lengthening the forcing cone is worth doing in any barrel that will get used for buckshot, one of the few generalizations I can make about shotgun barrels.

lpl/nc
 
Good thread. A couple things.....

First, am I understanding correctly that the weapon here is not set up for a sling? While my HD pieces are slingless inside, they are equipped with studs.

Secondly, I've still not heard of any plastic parts on a shotgun failing except for Mossie 500 safety buttons.

Third, IIRC, havng the cone done on one of my 870 barrels cut spread about 3-4" at 25 yards with the ammo at hand. Long cones do more for large shot.

I am interested in seeing how well reliability is with this over the next 1K rounds. IMO, if a shotgun works well over that span it's good for nigh forever.
 
Dave,

The FNPS has sling swivel studs (phosphate finished to match) installed at the factory for detachable swivels.

The specific parts failures were discussed by our family wizard, who has just retired from commercial gunsmithing at a retail full-service gun shop in western NC. I asked him about his experiences with the design series to elicit any details specific to this particular gun. With proper maintenance and due care in use/fieldstripping/reassembly, frankly I anticipate no problems. I have seen enough firearms with enough problems to understand that most gunsmith work origninates from either too little attention from the owner, or too much. In other words, either negligence, or ignorance and enthusiasm (abuse) account for most of the repair jobs that appear.

When I was a kid, my dad told me that the worst thing in the world for an automobile engine was sunlight, and therefore I should always keep the hood closed as much as possible. I think my dad knew something about ignorance and enthusiasm too...

lpl/nc
 
Hello all, new poster here.

Lee Lapin, thank you for your detailed review on the FN Police; I've been considering purchasing one for some time as an affordable alternative to a parkerized 870. If you don't mind could you please answer the following two questions?

1. You mentioned that recoil was brisk; have you tried using 2 3/4" or 3" slugs yet?
2. I've handled a Winchester 1300 in the past and wasn't impressed by the slide release's small size, smooth surface, and stiff action. Have you found the slide release to be manageable? Does it need some time to break in?

Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
Nice review, Lee.

I'm sure you know, but for others out there, an excellent book containing a great deal of interesting detail on the 1200/1300 family is:

"The American Shotgun" by David F. Butler (published by Lyman). It may be out of print now, but Mr. Butler was on the design team for the 1400/1200 and reveals many interesting things.

One of the salient points is that the 1200, like the 870, was designed as a semi-auto and then reduced to a pump (1400/1200 family and 1100/870 family). The consequence is that these pumps are stronger than they need to be. I quote:

"Since the semi-auto mechanism operates with high forces and in short time intervals, the forces and stresses are much higher than in a slide-action shotgun. The final results of these design studies was to make the action of the two guns almost identical, and to use a different forearm assembly for the slide-action shotgun. This meant that many components within the Model 1200 were stronger than they had to be for a slide-action shotgun..."

Look forward to your continued testing.
 
Nice sunny afternoon today and I've been cooped up all morning being domestic, so out I went with the FNPS, now with its MOD choke tube in place. First I agitated the poor plastic jug some more with a couple of magazines rapid fire (and apparent tighter patterns, given the jug's bigger bounces), then started on buckshot at 25 yards.

The Fiocchi RR 00 did better out of the MOD tube, I only lost one pellet off the 21" tall X 11" wide target with most of the loads. Never got all nine on paper with it, never lost more than two. And the Fiocchi is really soft kicking ammo by comparison too, something to add to the mental notes about it. Patterns at 25 yards were irregular with 6 pellets or so in about 6" in the center and fliers opening up the pattern to 14" or so (edge to edge of the visible pattern on the paper), dunno where the odd pellets went that missed completely (well, they went into the berm, but I don't know where they would have gone in the pattern). Looks as if I will have to get a more, umm, forgiving medium to pattern with. The local newspaper sells end rolls of newsprint cheap, guess I will have to check with them.

Then I broke out a single solitary round of my lovingly hoarded Texas- made Estate low recoil 00, the standard to which I have come to compare everything else buckshot at this point. Felt recoil in the light- weight FNPS with this load was noticeably more brisk that the Fiocchi 00. The pattern from the 9 00 pellets was rectangular and almost perfectly centered on the paper, and measured 3 1/2" wide by 9 1/2" tall at the extremes. I have noticed this behavior with Estate before, when using a wad- retarding choke tube like the Patternmaster. It seems to me this indicates that the wad is tipping just a tiny bit on departing the muzzle and thereby "sowing" its pellets into a string. It might be that the apparently 'belled' muzzle of the knurled choke tube has something to do with that.

With a Modified choke tube in an 18- 20" barrel and with the barrel's forcing cone extended, I am accustomed to this load producing 3- 5" patterns or so at 25 yards. Well, it got there from this gun in one dimension anyway. And it got all 9 pellets on paper for the first time with buckshot loads too.

Having begun a trip down memory lane, I continued after finding a couple more odd lots in the MISC BUCKSHOT ammo can. There was a stray round of Federal Classic H132 00 Buck Tactical Load, the old standard low recoil 9-pellet LE load. That one also produced an elongated pattern about 10" long and 4" wide at 25 yards. And a partial box (2 of 5) Federal Premium P154 00 Buck Maximum threw patterns of about 12" (one load lost one pellet off the box, side to side the patterns were about the same as they were high) at the same 25 yard mark. Recoil with these the first 'full house' loads I have fired in the FNPS felt little different from the Estate or Federal low recoil loads, maybe it won't be so bad with slugs after all. Both these stock numbers are still in the Federal catalog but I have no way of knowing if they are still exactly the same load, these shells have been on hand for a number of years and were bought in small lots as test loads. They have always been carefully segregated to their original boxes so stock and lot numbers were available for reference purposes (and so I could buy a bunch if something worked well).

There are a batch more different loads in the ammo can but that's all I will take time for today, gotta go cook supper. All this save the round of five shots with the Fiocchi was essentially play, since it is impossible to get any more of the Texas version of the Estate low recoil loads and I have no way of knowing what if any changes Federal has made in their loads over the past few years. It does little good to test ammunition that is no longer available for purchase in quantity, but there is likewise little need to continue to hoard small lots of it.

Note that there is essentially nothing wrong with the patterns this gun is throwing for anyone interested in genuine HD use. Unless you live in a McMansion you will not be taking 75 foot (25 yard) shots inside your four walls. I use this particular range because it is what I am accustomed to using in testing a shotgun/choke/load combination, and a gun that performs well at longer range will almost certainly handle its chores at shorter range with aplomb. It happens that I am a 'tight pattern' subscriber as opposed to having a usual preference for a 'scattergun' for HD. If you like more open patterns that is no problem for me, you should feel free to go after the type of performance you desire from your shotgun. If you really like open patterns then your problem is simple, just buy Sellier and Bellot (S&B) buckshot and your gun should do just as you prefer.

The FNPS is getting some scuff marks on the action bars now and is beginning to loosen up some. It seems to be 'wearing in' as a good pumpgun should. I have spent time running the bolt on the empty gun every day, cycling it far in excess of the actual number if rounds I have fired through it. I am keeping up with the round count though, just on GP.

More later,

lpl/nc
 
Well, here we are back at Chateau Lapin after Christmas holiday travels through five states visiting relatives. The FNPS accompanied us on our trip in its newly designated role as travelling artillery, a job formerly performed by one or another of the 'house' 870s. All of the 870s spent Christmas in the safe this year though. The 'war bag' which accompanies the travelling shotgun carried 20 rounds of 2 3/4" low recoil Fiocchi 00 buckshot and 30 rounds of 2 3/4" one ounce Kent/Brenneke KO slugs. I still have not ordered a SideSaddle for this gun, that will be coming along shortly however.

I have spent enough time 'hands on' with this shotgun to get accustomed to the different positions of the controls, IMO an essential part of adopting any different firearm for a primary defensive role. Learning the 'chops' on a new firearm takes time and should not be taken for granted. The safety and action release on the Winchester 1300/FNPS are in different places from those on the 870. I have never caught on to the ferocity of the 'X is better than Y or Z' arguments that get thrown around about the control locations on various brands of shotguns. I have never seen any particular advantages or disadvantages to any one of them. Learn what's where on the gun you are carrying and there can be no problem with ANY of them, and no significant advantage of any one over another either.

Earlier in this thread I was asked if I found any problems with the action release button on the FNPS. No, it is right there under the knuckle of the middle finger of my shooting hand when said finger is slightly extended, no need to shift my grip to reach it, and is easy enough to manipulate without being likely to get tripped when not wanted. I don't see any disadvantage to it not being checkered or knurled. The action continues to smooth up as the gun gets used and carried, as it should. Good pump guns wear in, they don't wear out.

One more thing I have neglected to mention so far is that this gun unloads out of the loading port differently from my accustomed 870. With the 870 it is necessary for the action to be open in order to easily trip one shell stop and slide shells out of the magazine without functioning them through the action- a practice that lacks points in the safety department and is hard on the ammunition as well. The FNPS can be unloaded out of the loading port with its action closed by pressing the lifter up and tripping the left shell stop (looking from the top of the action), then carefully sliding the shell out of the magazine. This should be done carefully, the magazine spring in this gun is as stout as any I have ever encountered and it will bite you given the chance. Occasionally a shell wants to hang up on the lip of the lifter, a nudge toward the loading port will usually free it and allow it to slide out.

With its short police type fore-end, the FNPS also allows an administrative trick not permitted by guns with longer field type fore-ends which extend back over the receiver with the action open. Some shotguns are equipped with a mechanical magazine cutoff, which allows opening the action without feeding a round from the magazine onto the lifter. This same effect can be had if needed by using the firing hand thumb as a manual magazine cutoff. With the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, first trip the action release, then use the tip of the firing hand thumb to press the rearmost shell in the magazine forward toward the muzzle while opening the action. If there is a round in the chamber it will be ejected, if not the action will be open without feeding a round onto the lifter. This is an 'administrative' action, used in clearing the gun or for safely checking its status. I do not present this as an alternative method of, say, performing a 'select slug' drill under active engagement or in training, merely as an administrative aid to clearing or inspecting the shotgun. I emphasize that this should NOT be done with any pumpgun which has a field type fore-end that extends back over the receiver when the action is open.

I had taken time to zero the FNPS with my favorite slug load, the 2 3/4" Kent/Brenneke KO. This load fires a one ounce hard lead alloy slug with an advertised muzzle velocity of 1600 FPS. It has a red plastic accordion type wad attached to a recess in the base of the slug by dimples in the slug itself as opposed to the felt wads attached to the original type Brenneke slug with a screw. This load is reasonably priced, has performed well in every shotgun I have ever fired it in, and offers a sharp shouldered hard lead alloy projectile with superior wounding and penetration capabilities in soft skinned targets. What else could a shotgunner ask for?

Shooting a bunch of these at one sitting out of the relatively lightweight FNPS is NOT a pleasant afternoon activity however. Recoil is more than brisk- it is getting on up there toward the line on the chart marked 'Painful.' Fortunately the gun zeroed easily, with the step type sliding elevator adjustment at its bottom setting and no windage adjustment necessary at all. The gun is capable of cloverleaf groups with this round- IF the shooter can print them without flinching, no easy task there. The zero was accomplished through the Modified choke tube, and there was a noticeable but not excessive amount of lead in the bore when it was done. The crisply breaking, relatively light trigger contributed a great deal toward accurate firing from the offhand position using the open rifle type sights. Suggested zero range for this load is 91 yards, I fired at a measured 50 yards and happily settled for a POI about 2" high above the POA at that range.

I also experimented with some Remington Express 2 3/4", 3 3/4 Dr. Eq., 16-pellet #1 buck loads while I was at home in Alabama. At 25 yards, these loads distributed pellets all over the torso of the IPSC target I was using for patterning, and failed to print all the pellets from any of the rounds fired on the target. Not a happy result, and as I only had the Modified tube with me on this trip, I wasn't able to try the same load through the Improved Cylinder tube. I brough a box or two back with me and will try that tube later as time permits. Recoil with these full house buckshot loads was noticeably greater than with the softer kicking reduced recoil Fiocchi 00 loads I carried in the gun.

As well as being a travelling companion on the road, the shotgun went with us on a couple of outings on the family farm in search of Bambi. My mom has taken up deer hunting, and enjoys spending afternoons in one or another of the deer stands that are strategically placed on the family farm. I went along on a couple of afternoons and carried the FNPS as I had not planned on doing any hunting and had not brought a rifle. I did not plan on taking a shot but did not want to venture out empty handed, so the FNPS loaded with Brenneke KOs filled in nicely. This is a good-carrying gun, it is short, handy and well balanced and it hangs well in African style carry on a simple sling. It is also quiet in the woods, not exhibiting anything in the way of unpleasant noises, rattles etc. as it is lugged about. I have noticed however that it does not seem possible to get the safety off without a quiet but noticeable SNICK. Even keeping a restraining finger on the other side of the safety button to slow the transition does not reduce this noise.

Once again I'd like to invite anyone else who owns or has fired an example of the FN Police Shotgun to offer impressions and analysis here- the more the merrier.

Stay tuned...

lpl/nc (still missing my 870s though not at all unhappy with the FNPS)
 
Thanks for posting that, Lee. A good review of a nice shotgun.

The part about learning the controls is pure truth. Any of the systems used on our pumps will work well with practice.

Just for info's sake, how does that 1 buck work through other shotguns you have? Some loads, like S&B, may never pattern tightly....
 
Another great report!

Re: Snick.

There are times this "snick" is NOT a good thing. Semi-Chrome applied and with TG removed, just work back and forth. It removes the audible - one can still feel it.

Just polishes is all this does. Then clean and lube however, good to go.
 
Dave,

The two 870s most handy right now wear my old standby 20" RS barrel with extended cone and aftermarket RemChokes with a Mod tube in place (3-4" patterns @ 25 yds with old Estate); and that dingdong backbored 18" RS Police barrel. Both have been fed doses of #1 buck this afternoon, and frankly both exhibit signs of indigestion. As do I.

The 20" barrel with the Mod choke throws about 18" patterns at 25 yards. The 18" Police barrel actually throws more even patterns but they are about 24" (high, don't know how wide) at 25 yards. Neither would keep all 16 pellets on target (a standard IPSC cardboard) at that range, both were running 12- 14 pellets on target. It gets tiresome taping targets shot with #1, 00 has made me lazy... only 9 holes to patch with that, if you can get 'em all on paper. 8^)

I'll dig out the ImpCyl tube for the FNPS and give it a run with #1 tomorrow- also gotta give Eric a call and see about ordering a couple sleeves of the new Federal stuff.

More later,

lpl/nc
 
Interesting review so far. One of the most interesting things to me has been the comments on perceived recoil. When I was looking for a new HD shotgun, weight was an issue. I dismissed the Winchester 1300 because it was three-quarters of a pound lighter than an identically-equipped 870 (6.5 pounds versus 7.25 pounds). That weight difference is over ten percent of the weight of the 870, and I was concerned about not training with the lighter gun because it beat my shoulder too much. I need lots of practice, and a lighter gun gets in the way of that practice.

I was also surprised to learn the 870 action was derived from the 1100.
 
Lee, you might want to consider replacing the standard recoil pad with a Limbsaver or Kick-Eez unit. I suspect this would make those slugs rather less painful to shoot! On a light gun like this, where there isn't much weight to soak up the kick, I think such pads really come into their own.
 
At 6.5 lbs, this is quite light for a "serious" shotgun. I'd definitely consider R/R ammo.

Regarding this point, adding weight is simple to do. Since this is a duty gun and H/D gun and I'm not worried about carrying it on a 20 mile hump through the jungle, more weight is better. I took the stock recoil pad off of the gun, poured about 2 lbs of steel bb's into a grocery bag lining the inside of the stock, and topped it off with some expanding foam insulation. I then replaced the recoil pad with a Pachmyer recoil pad and let the foam expand and fill whatever voids may have existed between the bb's. The result is a gun that (to me) balances better with a full magazine and recoils less.

I too prefer visible sights and a source of light. For the light, I found a fore-end that has a Weaver/Picatinny rail molded along its bottom and put that on the run. Then, using a set of 1" $6 Simmons scope rings, mounted an Inova T2 (soon to be replaced by a brighter T3) on the fore-end. The new forened also came with a foward pistol grip which locks onto the Weaver rail that I did not originally mount, but in playing with it one day, I noticed that with the PG mounted behind the light on the weapon, I only need to push my index finger's knuckle foward a little to activate the light.

The last thing I'd like to do is to find a 3/8" base dovetailed Tritrium front sight to replace the stock front sight with, but the only ones I've been able to find are part of entire sight sets that cost $150 and require gunsmithing to mount. I just want a front sight--I'm happy enough with an open rear sight instead of a ghostring.

In all, I'm very happy with the gun. I've yet to try R/R loads in it, but I have no problem quickly and accurately emptying a full tube of 2 3/4 buckshot.

-Teuf
 
Diehard Pachmyr Decelerator person here.

Lee's gun has the extended mag. He knows this old trick Clay shooters have done.

For the new folks, or folks with a 1300 with regular magazine.

Recall Perceived Recoil is not only "Rule of 96" - weight of payload to gun weight. Gun fit to shooter comes into play. This gets into all sorts of stuff like the balance of gun in one's hands. Some like it between, some a tad forward.

This affects how the recoil curve is "received" or "Perceived" by shooter.

New Folks up to speed now.

Weighted magazine caps. Yep, they may look odd to some, some may have never seen one, they Do change the recoil curve. On clay guns they do many things already mentioned , additionally smooth swing and keeps one from stopping swing.

Don't believe me? Take your Extended mag , fill it to capacity, fire one round. Now compare felt recoil to empty extended mag and firing one round.

I bet the recoil is more straight back into shoulder pocket with fully loaded , and being empty if the gun fit is off any, buttstock stings cheek of face.

Now the serious gun uses here, well on a regular magazine shotgun, who cares if the mag cap looks funny? "Honest Officer just a range gun". WE also used other bbl weights and even plumber's lead on bbl, and inserted into forearms if need to get gun fit / gun balance to shooter.

What Lee is sharing, and input by us all is / are some ideas for folks with other platforms, or folks considering what to buy.

Not a darn thing wrong with a weighted magazine cap on a 1300, 870/1100 20 ga that a lady , teenager may have to use as a HD gun. Still the Decelarator when used is proven.

This stuff is fun!

Steve
 
Lee, some loads do not pattern well in anything. Sounds like the 1 buck load qualifies.

No one can foretell how a given load will perform in a given shotgun. But, some loads usually pattern well in quite a few shotguns. The "Old" Estate RR 00 for one. Fed Classic 00 is another.

Shotgun weight is a wild card. Most folks do better with a heavy shotgun. Adding a two shot extension to an 870 adds about 7 oz before filling it with two 3 oz loads. This not only cuts the kick but a bit of muzzle jump also.

Those not into extensions can drill a mag cap for a bow stabilizer. I've one that adds about 3 oz and smooths out the swing.
 
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