the gypsey defence.

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Carl Levitian

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In this time of increasing political correctness, I have to wonder if some things from the past are not correct for today. I speak of some ethnic methods of defence from places where outright weapons were banned.

I'm sure you all know about the Japanese monks and peasants turning rice flails into nunchuks, walking staves into bowken, and other agricultural tools into weapons. But I had the good luck in my younger day to know a real family from Romania who were of the Romani race. Gypseys as the rest of society called them.

In the late 1950's, I got to know a Mr. Emory Varhidy, who was the owner of a Simca auto service. Becoming friends with the man, he became a mentor of a curious 18 year old. From Mr. Varhidy, I learned how to handle a length of wood, to defend myself from an attacker. Durring this period of mentorship, I got to know his older brother, Marco, who also grew up poor in Romania. Like Emory, he learned at a young age to inflict enough damage to disable and get away from an attacker. Unlike his brother though, he preffered a very small knife. A small lockblade, not much bigger than a penknife, if any bigger at all. Knives like Spyderco and Kershaw not being around yet, Marco would take a very small lockblade from Puma, Weidmanshall, or other good quality european makers, and with a jewlers file smooth out the inner corner of the blade tang so the blade could be "pinched" between the thumb and middle finger to open one handed while being held down out of sight behind a leg or in a coat pocket. He would tell me to hold the thumb on the blade marking and use a thumb jab motion to stab into a vital area.

I think about the gypsey way of defending themselves, and I see a real connection to the modern world. It seems as though our ruling powers don't want us to be able to defend ourselves, judging from their eagerness to ban guns and even knives. Even to the ridiculous extreme of placing charges against a person who does defend themselves. Now we have to watch out for what we use, least it seems too "militant" or mall ninjaish.

I recall Marco telling me about his boyhood in Romania before WW2, and it was harsh. If for some reason a group of men deceided to chase down a gypsey and beat him, it was leagal. Gypseys were forbiden to own firearms, carry large knives, and could be victimized at will. Gypsey women could be taken from thier families and pressed into house servant duties with no compensation. As a result, they developed ways and tactics of dealing with these problems, and being armed while appearing to be unarmed. Like the Japanese and Chinese monks and peasants, having to deal with oppressive weapons laws while traveling roads populated with bandits.

Food for thought, if things get tight. Or you have to travel through TSA country or a federal building in a big city.
 
Another excellent piece Carl, and full of interesting points.

Not being much with words, I'll try and get this out through the keys the way it sounds in my head...

Somehow and someway 'they' (whomever that is...) have gone even further than we may suspect I believe. While 'they' most assuredly ARE slowly taking away the physical implements a person may use for defense, I am of the mind that something even more sinister is at work....

That is, they are systematically breeding even the *notion* of personal defense right out of us.

There was a time really not that long ago when a person would be thought quite normal if they were to defend themselves and by extension-someone else against an aggressor. In fact, the man or woman who DID NOT defend themselves against an aggressor would be thought of as 'weak' or even 'cowardly'. Certainly in my youth (I am currently 45 and holding on hahah) it was a very black and white issue. You hit me-I hit you. You hit someone younger, weaker, or of the 'fairer sex' I hit you even harder. Now, in my opinion-this was *good* and *honorable*. It helped maintain a certain 'politeness' in society.

Oh, but my how we have fallen. Now we promote the idea that ANY violence is *bad* and instruct people how to be cooperative 'victims' in hope that they will survive a potentially violent encounter.

So-not only are we losing our chosen instruments of personal defense, our children have lost the WILL to defend.

Won't be long now when 'they' won't even have to worry about guns, knives, or anything else. There won't be anyone with the will to even use them....
 
that is, they are systematically breeding the *notion* of personal defense right out of us.

From what I see on the some of the forums, "they" have already done so in England.

When I wrote the above, I had just got back from a trip downtown. (Washington D.C.) and was in a pessimist state of mind. I think its inevitable the cities will set the trend for the rest of the nation. If so, it may well be that we may have to take a page fron the oriental peasants and gypseys in our personal defense. The next 4 or 8 years may make a difference. In the big cities we're there already. Of corse living in the Peoples Republic Of Maryland, I may be slanted in my views.:scrutiny:
 
From what I see on the some of the forums, "they" have already done so in England.

The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy. It's hard to have liberty when your a subject, not a citizen.
 
Carl -

and with a jewlers file smooth out the inner corner of the blade tang so the blade could be "pinched" between the thumb and middle finger to open one handed

Having a bit of a problem picturing this location on the blade. Could you sketch up a quick MS Paint drawing or a more descriptive word picture?

A pleasure to read as always.
 
good post!! What you describe strikes me as being similar to the way I used to "wear in " lock back Buck s back before the thumb studs and holes became de reigeur for factory production.
Although ;to tell you the truth ;the city and housing cops wher eI grew up tried to discourage us from obvious defensive tool posession back then as well.
 
HiWayman-

Open knife and turn over so blade slot is facing up. Looking down into knife, the corner of the blade tang that is squared off and near the outside is the tang corner that will be bearing against the backspring when closed. If one takes a jewlers file witht the teeth on the thin edge only, and changes the profile, or radius of that corner, to a more rounded one, the knife will open with less effort. You will be able to pinch the blade between thumb and middle finger to ease it open. With less metal, there is less resistance when opening blade.

This was often done in the old days before they had one hand folders. It was a way to "cheat" and get a lockblade knife open in sneaky way with one hand out of sight.
 
Great info, Carl. Thanks for passing it on. I love sneaky bastage tricks like that. You must have done something right to have earned Mr. Varhidy's trust.


Mongrel, I can relate, but please remember that when kids are taught to think for themselves they also learn to keep a low profile. Not to diminish your opinion in any way, but a lot of what we're hearing is the sensational stuff that sells ad space, or what the media wants you to get. My sincere condolences for your exceptions to that generalization, of course.

As long as parents pass their earned values on to their kids and and make sure to back them when trouble happens, we can still have hope for the future. My parents went through the same thing as kids during the Great Depression era. If you had enough, you kept it in house and only shared quietly with your friends, but that made for some very strong bonds. Same with our generation, but in slightly different ways, I think. Core values remain the same, regardless of what "they" want us to believe.

Take care
 
they are systematically breeding even the *notion* of personal defense right out of us.

I hope they don't touch *my* breeding bits, friend, I'm very sorry to hear of yours :)

The (theoretically) oncoming political and cultural climate shift may well see the end of 'justified' self-defense. That won't make it less right to defend yourself. In fact, it's the existence of a 'justified' method right now that puts sneaky tricks like this in the gray.

Until they can keep the world together with spray glue and velcro, there will always be a place for screwdrivers. Know what I'm sayin?

So if you've got kids, teach 'em. Let other people get sucked into cultural eugenics.. the world's bullies will always need easy targets.
 
The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy. It's hard to have liberty when your a subject, not a citizen.

The Queen reigns but does not rule. It is the "representatives" of the citizens who make the laws, not the monarch.
 
The Queen reigns but does not rule. It is the "representatives" of the citizens who make the laws, not the monarch

True as this may be, the CIA Worldbook classifies the English model of government as a constitutional monarchy. Semantically, the use of the word "subject" to refer to a British citizen only stopped in 1983 when the British Nationality Act of 1981 began to be enforced. There are still ways in which a person may be referred to as a subject, and thus my point remains valid from a technical standpoint.

From a less technical standpoint, and hopefully without offending the several liberty-minded English members of THR, the fact of the matter as I see it is that a large portion of England is just as happy to be ruled by Parliament as they are by a King. If national subservience to ever-increasing deductions of personal liberty doesn't make you a subject, I don't know what does. I know at least 3/4 of the people that read this will think (or say) that the same thing happens here, but every British member of THR will tell you that we are not even close to the amazingly repressive laws and constant surveillance that the bulk of the UK is subject to.

Look, last I checked, there was no pending legislation, nor even any official talk, of banning kitchen knives lest they be used as deadly weapons. The same is not true of the United Kingdom, and thus I stand by my original point that it is hard to have liberty when you are a subject, not a citizen.

I would add that I don't hate or even dislike England, as much as I that I just think that their political system is run by wankers. It's a beautiful country, and the time I spent there as a wounded Marine showed me the true hospitality of the wonderful English. I have been there more than once, and I will go back again, because I love it there, but I could never live there simply because of the Orwellian laws that rule the land.
 
Somewhat germaine to the conversation... I give you the "Dell TC030 LiOn laptop battery."

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Or, as I like to call it, "The TSA Tomohawk" :D
 
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