The Hurricane Katrina Scout Rifle....concept

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One thing about the scout rifle design - especially the Steyr - is that it looks completely unlike something that troublemakers would have, considering that a Katrina situation would mean (perhaps) a lot of interaction with others. Something that says "expensive specialized hunting rifle" goes over better with the general public than "assault weapon", community participant instead of gangbanger. The perceptions may be misguided, but they're real and must be dealt with.

A little training & practice can get the scout rifle's user up to par for most situations. Remember: it's a GENERAL purpose rifle - will do most jobs quite adequately. Yes you'll find other guns that do some things better, but don't forget they'll tend to do more other things worse. The scout rifle will be light enough to carry a lot, hits hard enough that one shot should do (with easy followups), sights are flexible from close to about as far as you'll need, action is simple, ... pretty much does the job given that situation.
 
ruger mini 14 and ruger mini 30. Also an m1a1 carbine, the parashoot model. Along with a Glock 17 on my hip. A 12 gauge mossberg pump in 18" with stock would be nice but not necessary. Along with enough ammo to deal with a platoon of guardsmen or gangstas
 
Wow, some great examples in this thread.

I'd like to add something. After a hurricane, there's no lights no electricity unless you've got a generator and your neighbors do too. But you won't be wasting fuel lighting up the night.


Considering that, it would be a good idea to have a night capable optic. Even late dusk, early dawn can be tough times to use irons. The best 2 choices would be the Trijicon Mini-ACOG in 1.5x or 2x. Works night or day, no battery. Shock proof, and definately waterproof. The other would be the 3rd generation Aimpoint. Day or night. Tough, waterproof..and 50,000hrs of battery life. You could just leave it on during the entire duration of the hurricane aftermath (months if you want). I like the Aimpoint more as I'm not a fan of magnification for this particular use, but wouldn't mind the ACOG if I had to use it. Either of these are pretty much peace of mind optics. No need to think or worry over them. So long as you've tested them in advance, these are the least likely to break, lose zero, or somehow become unusable. They're the military's favorites for a reason.


Another thing to note is ammo. Any ammo just won't do. It would be a good idea for your hurricane SHTF ammo to be water proof. AKA, sealed at the neck and at the primer. You don't want to guess if the magazine you just dropped in a puddle is still good or not.


If your favorite loads or SHTF stash is not water proof...you can make them waterproof by sealing them yourself. It is easy and cheap. I'd do up a batch of 200 first, and fire them and make sure that sealing your ammo doesn't create some freak reliability issue with your weapon.
 
Stilleto...

...If you're paying $400.00 for a Hi-Point, ATI and reflex, I have a bridge for sale... I have ~$260.00 in mine set up that way (and yeah, I bought it all new). I may have to buy another one though, 'cause my wife wants to hijack mine. Come to that, everyone I've let try it wants one.
 
Lowest I've seen on Hi Points around here has been...err...$150.

Add $60 (?) on the ATI stock, and then stick a nice reflex on there...ok, yeah, you're right.

Still.

(How much did you pay for the stock, anyway?)
 
$70.00 at Dunham's, and the reflex is an eBay cheapie that I bought to see if I like it, but I have no intention of ever spending more than $50.00 on one (Sportsman's guide has a 4-reticle reflex on sale right now for >$50.00), as the recoil is almost non-existant, and shouldn't pound it much...
 
Way cool looking, but my ears are ringing just thinking about it.

I was pleasantly surprised the first time I fired my 11.5" AR-15 upper. Wasn't bad at all.
 
Or the Sub2000, can order it to take Glock mags. That means, 17rds or 30+ rds.


Kel Tec looks and feels cheesy, but seems to work well. Simple weapon. Simplicity often translates into reliability.
 
Consider an M1 Carbine. Lightweight, minimal recoil, reliable. Load with Remington 110 grain JSPs and it's got enough power to do the job, or Ball for punching through stuff.

Choate makes a high quality folder, and nice replicas of the M1A1 "paratrooper" folding stock are available, such as the one on the Underwood below:

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When folded, it's very short.
 
Springfield SOCOM II with a Vltor M14 Modstock, NP3 the receiver and barrel, and mount an EOTech 553 on it towards the front of the barrel. Oh, and stick a Vortex flash suppressor on it, too.

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Something that says "expensive specialized hunting rifle" goes over better with the general public than "assault weapon", community participant instead of gangbanger. The perceptions may be misguided, but they're real and must be dealt with.
I'd be busting mouseholes in the attic focused on avenues of approach, so the public wouldn't be seeing it. If I had to go outside for one reason or another, a Surefire Scout Light on one of the side rails wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
You'se guys are getting too fancy.

In my humble opinion, the goal is to have something simple, easy to keep running, and easy to put back into service if/when it gets chock full o' goo. As much as I love my semi-autos, nothing but an Enfield can be cleared of mud and goo with only a 3" puddle and a stick. Gotta love those rear locking lugs.....
 
That Keltec PLR16 tricked out looks like the ticket, right there, under a bulky jacket! But, what is NOLA CCW policy? AZ doesn't list firearms on the shall issue permit, so we can carry whatever - does NOLA?
I do like the Yugo SKS, get a couple/three, if one is taken...
 
I live 2 miles off the beach in mississippi and I went though katrina.

Based on my experience I woult take a pump shotgun and 00 buck and a 1911 with 230 FMJ.

But this is a scout rifle thread so for a rifle I'd go with my springfield armory M1A and use 147gr FMJ surplus ammo.

Unless you live in a very large city you don't have to worry about organized bands of looters. For the most part people just banded together and made sure there was enough food and water to go around then then minded their own business once the National Guard showed up. You do need a good self defense weapon because there will always be the one or two scumbags walking up to and trying to get into your house to see if they can find anything they want. But no large groups like in New Orleans.

I'd be busting mouseholes in the attic focused on avenues of approach, so the public wouldn't be seeing it. If I had to go outside for one reason or another, a Surefire Scout Light on one of the side rails wouldn't be a bad idea.

A hurricane doesn't mean its going to be like Dawn of the Dead outside or anything... you just need to be able to be prepared incase someone thinks it would be a good idea to come steal your gas cans.
 
That SOCOM16 highy modified is very cool, and seems like a great all-purpose combat weapon. I like it, but I think it is a little excessive for a post-hurricane situation.


In such a scenario, you don't need a bipod, or even magnified optics. If magnified, no more than 2x. It is highly unlikely that a threat will present itself at 100 yards or greater. I'm not saying it can't. If someone is shooting at you from down the street, and down the street is 150 yards - you've got a threat. What I'm saying is, it's not like you can't engage it with a lesser cartridge. Which is why the 9mm carbine is a good choice too. Or even a shotgun. Heck, it's not like you couldn't return fire with a pistol at 125 yards. Might not hit or have great effectivness, but the bullets WILL get there.


The pictures of the M1 Carbine are good. Those rifles are just about perfect for a SHTF post-hurricane. Light, handy, reliable - and the cartridge is good enough. Not as powerful as an AK or AR, but the .30carbine cartridge should do the job out to any distance a real threat will present itself. High capacity. Very nice. I like the idea. An M1 Carbine with an ultimak rail and a low-mounted Aimpoint using the standard Aimpoint ring would be great. Either that, OR some type of tritium irons for night time or dusk/dawn use. That would keep bulk down and weight down too. Although, the Aimpoint isn't that heavy - that would be a light package. Nothing else is needed.

Perhaps a synthetic stock could further lower weight. Lightweight is a huge factor, especially if you have to carry the thing around everywhere you're at (even around your property, you'll start noticing the weight). Speaking of that, there's a great test/trial/experiment you can do to determine how light you like something. On your day off, when you know you'll be home doing chores, bumming around, or doing whatever...carry your "SHTF" rifle with the expected load-out everywhere you go. If to the garage. Carry it to the garage. If to the kitchen, carry to the kitchen. Take it with you to the bathroom. If the weight/bulk of the rifle gets annoying - it's TOO HEAVY. No cheating. Must be within arms reach at all times. No exceptions! In a SHTF, trouble can and will come to you when you least expect it. You might be inside your partially destroyed home trying to sort through things, when in just a moment or two - your generator might get stolen. It can happen as fast as two guys can drive up to it and lift it on a pick up truck....That can be quick!

That being said, if you have a heavy rifle and don't want to carry it, consider getting a holster and carrying a pistol. That will serve 95% of what you need and will deter looters. If not, it will buy you time till you can get to the rifle. Otherwise, if using a two-handed firearm...make sure it's light.
 
My solution would be one of the Kel-Tec .223 pistols. Can't remember the name of it, but it meets all the criteria.

-Lightweight
-hi-capacity
-fairly easy hits out to 100 yards if (rarely) needed
-good terminal performance with smart ammo choices
-small enough to hide relatively easily and provides rifle-like firepower
-adding a light would be relatively easy if necessary.

Only downsides I can see are that reliability may be spotty in that kind of environment, it would be very loud if fired indoors, and if seen it looks kind of evil. Each of these can be managed with a little forethought.

Mine would be backed up by a sidearm in either .45acp or 10mm.

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Never thought of that! Rifle cartridge pistols...hmm. If you're worried about ammo performance, there's always AK pistols. Although, I doubt they're nearly as lightweight.
 
Springfield SOCOM II with a Vltor M14 Modstock, NP3 the receiver and barrel, and mount an EOTech 553 on it towards the front of the barrel. Oh, and stick a Vortex flash suppressor on it, too.
Well, if we're using Katrina/New Orleans as the example... I'd hate to see the look on the owner of that guns face when the police confiscated it... :eek:

Point being, I'll give another vote for an SKS... standard wood stock, no bayonet.
 
That SOCOM16 highy modified is very cool, and seems like a great all-purpose combat weapon. I like it, but I think it is a little excessive for a post-hurricane situation.


In such a scenario, you don't need a bipod, or even magnified optics. If magnified, no more than 2x.
Actually, the Scout Rifle concept pioneered by Gunsite calls for a gun to be used with a 2x scope forward-mounted and shot off-hand without support. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a picture of a SOCOM set up like that. But I do like that stock over the factory one due to adjustable length of pull.
 
I wouldnt want it to cost too much money or be too complicated. Id want an AR-180B with a foregrip, maybe a cut bbl, a modestly priced red dot, a sling and tons of ammo.
 
Here is part of my hurrcane supplies :evil: . The Yugo SKS was a comfort to me during Rita (along with my Polish P-64 pistol). I got the Bubba'ed Ishapore 2A1 in May of this year in hopes of getting a polymer stock set for it.

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