The most awesome .25acp.

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John Browning designed for gentlemen to carry. History says 25% of people shot by it are incapacitated. Interesting stat. Is it the ultimate get off me caliber? Here’s what a famous gun writer had to say about it. (
THE .25 ACP FOR SELF DEFENSE
Famed Marine and gun enthusiast Lt. Col. John Dean “Jeff” Cooper commented on the .25 ACP: “If you do shoot someone with it, and they find out, they will be very upset.”).
I don’t think I would volunteer. Anyone own one for fun? Do you carry it?
 
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A Beretta 21A
A Bauer 25
A Seecamp .25.
I had a Baby Browning, sold it awhile back. Really, it didn’t do anything the Bauer won’t do.

All run well. The Beretta is a really nice little gun. Quite accurate.

The Seecamp is my favorite. If I needed a real deep conceal carry piece, I’d carry it over the Seecamp .32. One more round. Faster to shoot and eats any ammo I’ve run through it. Not nearly as temperamental as the Seecamp .32.

Being realistic, they are all pretty much stand off 7 try ice picks. Far better than nothing.

Nobody really wants to get shot and, I’ve seen several people killed with a .25. (And, several that walked it off. But, I’ve seen people walk off with 45’s in them)
 
A first hand account of a guy with nothing but a .25. It’s several years old. The author has passed. But, still some lessons.
(Sorry for the length, I copied and saved it verbatim)


Gun Dealer's Personal Account of Saving His Own Life with a Gun

A Small, Concealed Handgun Saved J. David Phillips' Life....


On September 26th of last year, I had a man try to purchase a 357 magnum from me here, in the store. He had come in the week before, and paid for it, and had to wait the obligatory three business days. Upon opening the store at 11:00am on the 26th, he was waiting for me. After having him fill out the 4473 form, I called it in to FDLE (Florida Division of Law Enforcement), which is the point of contact to the FBI for us dealers in the State. The check came back Conditional Refusal, which gave the authorities another three days to further check out the guy.


"Without a small, concealable, firearm in my pocket, I'd be dead. It is that simple."

Well, he wasn't real happy about it, and tried to get me to transfer the firearm anyway. I told him, no ok from the State, no gun. He left, and waited about an hour, and a half, and came back when no one but myself was in the store. I was sitting at my desk, which is in the back of the showroom. As he approached, he produced a 36" blade Samurai sword, and said " this is a Ninja sword", and stabbed me in the upper right chest. Evidently, my subconscious saw something coming, and I immediately pushed myself back from the desk so hard, that I pushed myself out of the chair, and onto the floor behind me.


As I'm trying to get up, he ran around the desk, and kept trying to stab me.


The fight was pretty intense, and I was starting to get the worst of it. I had my Glock 19 on a file cabinet under my desk that I had reached for as I went past it--- but missed. After what seemed like a few minutes, I was able to break contact, and ran for my office door, which is about ten feet from my desk. Unfortunately, he was about a half step behind. I was fixated upon getting to my office desk, where there was a loaded .38 revolver in the drawer.


At the office door, I took the door and slammed it as hard as I could on him, with no effect. But, he did stab all the way through the door with the sword. ( pretty sharp instrument) I was able to get over to my desk, and stumbled as I got to it, sprawling myself, and everything on top of the desk in a pretty messy manner. As I got up from the top of my desk, I remembered that the 38 in the drawer, was in fact, not loaded, and was in pieces from my taking it apart the day or so before to clean. neat-o.


As I turned around to face my attacker, he stabbed me in my left abdomen, piercing my upper intestine. With the sword in me, we began to struggle again, and somehow waltzed to the other end of the office, from whence I came. While he's trying to shove the damn thing in deeper, I was using my left hand to try to pull the blade out. At that moment, was when I realized that I still had my pocket pistol in my right pants pocket. It is a 950 Beretta, in .25 caliber.


As he was focused upon trying to thrust the sword deeper in me, he didn't notice me reaching into my right pocket and pulling out the Beretta. I thumbed the hammer back, as it is a single action, and aimed for his left eye. I only remember firing two shots, but it was actually five. I hit him twice in the left eye, and twice in the left cheek, in close proximity to his eye. I also hit him in one of his hands, and that round went all the way through his hand, and through my office door, out to the street.


The two rounds that made it to his cheek, spent themselves, and dropped about 15 feet behind him on the floor. The two that got his eye, tumbled around in his brain, and one lodged in his spinal column, and the other lodged somewhere in his brain. He dropped like a sack of lead. I stumbled out into the store, and called 911, and waited for the cavalry to show up.


They flew me to St. Joseph's hospital in Tampa, Florida, who has one of the best trauma units in the State. I was on the critical list for a couple of days, and stayed for ten.


The so-called Ninja warrior died the next day, after being pulled off of life support. He had been stalking Kristine Abernathy of the Weather Channel for two years, and had not been found out. He had between 2-300 rounds of 357 ammo in his van, and additional swords, knives, throwing stars, and the like. On a piece of paper he had written his agenda, and the last entry was for him to go to Atlanta.


I still feel weak, and like garbage most of the time, but the doctor says this will pass in about 6 months to a year.


The digestive tract is really goofed up, and I really have to watch what I eat. Work is still work, but at least I'm alive to complain about it. We have Blue Cross, and Blue Shield insurance, and so far, they have only paid a fraction of the bills. Sorta like getting attacked again. Hell, if we don't pay our premiums on time, we're cancelled. If they don't pay their bills on time, nothing happens. Go figure.


I just thought you'd like to know what happens to people who do choose to carry a firearm, and what would have happened to me if I hadn't. Without a small, concealable, firearm in my pocket, I'd be dead. It is that simple.


Wish I would have remembered it a lot sooner, though


I'd have saved myself an additional four stabs, and a lot of additional pain.


Thanks for the work that you people are doing, and you can count on me to contribute again.
 
I don’t, but my grandfather does, and has for most of his life. He was born in December of 1926 and he has carried a pocket gun since he was about 15 he once told me. So put a total time of about 80 years together between a H&R 22 revolver and a baby browning. My grandmother suffered with depression and he had to take the browning away from her one day in the mid 70s and as soon as he got it it went through the window next to a speed limit sign. My uncle retrieved that one and still has it. Paw bought a cheap 25acp a few years later and never shot it. I got it out one day and it was so corroded inside that it just wouldn’t work at all. He now has a Phoenix HP25 that I bought him for his 85th birthday, and I make sure that this one gets shot at least once a year and then cleaned and put back in it’s hiding spot. He prefers the little autos so in that 80 year run I would guess that about 50 years of it would be carrying the .25acp. I do know of a couple times that the little quarter bore made a big impression but never once has it barked at anybody… he had different opinions than most folks did during the civil rights movement and he even claims some other folks as family but not by blood. His best friend was older than he was and just recently passed at 104 years old. That man knew how to make cornbread!!! And his sister made the best plum pies… but the man had plans for the plums in a secret room in the barn. Apparently an old fashioned lard based candle scrubbed on the side of a copper kettle melts at exactly the right temperature to vaporize alcohol but not water… I miss him and his sister both. They were the youngest children of a couple who were first generation free. They had very interesting takes on life, were very simple, and were absolutely amazing people. I know that the black gentleman carried a Walther PP in his bib overalls and the lady had a colt 25 cap hid under her dress for decades.

Sorry for the ramble, it was a trip down memory lane.
 
I have a Beretta 950BS and a Baby Browning, both in 25 ACP.

I don't carry them but have some fun at the range with them.

I also have a Beretta 950BS Minx (22 Short) and have carried it a time or two when I needed real deep concealment.

But remember, a hit with a 25 ACP trumps a miss with anything else.
 
My favorite and often carried .25.

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I carry a Beretta M21A .25 often.

Reload .25 acp, too.

Made some new ammo using a older book load of 1.4 gr of Titegroup. It averaged 966 fps with a 50 gr FMJ bullet. Much higher than the typical 700-825 gr factory loads.
Is it safe? Um, probably. Perhaps a little hard on the gun though they don't feel like it. Fired 9 and have 21 left. Will load it down to 1.3 gr in the future.

But the "most awesome" .25 acp gun was the Lecker Pistol. A .25 acp 20-shot machine-pistol. Made in Italy I think. IIRC they didn't run great and before the bugs were worked out the government decided they weren't going to need it and didn't want any of their people to have them either and they were all destroyed. Maybe 2k of them IIRC.
 
A good friend of mine has a .25 ACP Seecamp. He didn’t carry it at all for a long time but decided it would be a good backup so he kept it loaded, rotating mags and he carried it when it was too hot and muggy to cover anything else.
He told me he pulled it on a crazy guy that was hassling him one time. I don’t recall details but the guy ran off and was later apprehended by police. The guy had an open pocket knif in his pocket.
My friend says his little .25 saved his life. No shots fired. Happy ending for my friend.


I hate Otto Communista. How in the heck does”rotating mags” become “torturing mags”? :uhoh:
 
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I had a Baby Browning 25 in the early 1990's - I do not have a 25 acp anymore.
If I did have a 25 would I carry it? No.
If I was limited by work clothes (I'm not) then a Kahr PM9 (9mm) might have to suffice.
Since I get to dress as I choose, the smallest gun I've carried in several years is a 9mm Glock 19. (In a "good area", in the heat, for a "quick trip to the store")
 
I have a few guns in .25, but I don't carry any of them. The account detailed above (post 3) gives credence to the potential efficacy of the round, but I'd prefer not to wait until I've been pierced with a sword before I shoot. At a further distance, it's possible the precision with which those defensive shots were placed would have been a bit harder to come by, and the bullets may not have hit as hard.

A Kel-Tec P32 fits almost anywhere a Beretta 950 does, and a P3-AT (or one of its many spin-offs) does as well.

I'm glad that author had his. At the range he was shooting at, it performed as it should have and did its job nicely.

My "last-ditch, hideout" gun, carried as a second to a pocket pistol, or as a third to a pocket pistol and a belt gun, is a NAA mini revolver, worn in my jeans watch pocket and hidden behind my cell phone case.
 
I have had too many to count Beretta .25s, mostly Model 950s and one Model 20. Use to throw one in my pocket if I was making a late night run to the convenience store. Never had an opportunity to use it.

Always wanted a Baby Browning; just because. About ten or eleven years ago I came across one LNIB at the LGS. It was the Lightweight Model; aluminum alloy frame, nickel plating, and the faux pearl grips. Came with the original box and manual. Had to look twice at the price as it was well under what I usually find them going for! Took it home, cleaned it up, and put it away in the safe. This one's both a looker and a keeper but not a back-up! Have other guns better suited for that job!
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I have several 25ACP pistols, Seecamps from the early 1980's, Beretta 950, Bauer, an eibar ruby-type from the 1920s, A near NIB Colt Junior and even a nickel Colt vest pocket built in 1919 (I have never fired it but probably should). They come from eras when you could be armed most discreetly, and as hideouts. All are seriously cool but I think my favorite is the Colt. The action is so smooth and the slide/frame fit so perfect you can tell quality was a hard-core value at the time.

One thing I will mention is I tested my Bauer and it could in theory fire if charged without safety applied. The trigger has enough mass to pull itself if dropped muzzle up. I did this unloaded of course by slapping it against a piece of leather on my desk. Click.

I don't carry my 25ACP pistols. To be honest I'd much rather have my P32 for it's light weight, great reliability, and 32ACP is far better, IMO. Not much of looker, what with the franken bolt extractor ;)

However if I were to carry my Bauer, it would be in this original Roy Baker pancake, basket-weave, complete with thumb break:

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unclenunzie

Way cool!

Love the Roy Baker Pancake holster! Never seen anything like that for a Baby Browning size gun before!
 
I know, right? When I saw it I had to have it. It's made for it but large enough to eat the Bauer LOL
 
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I know, right? When I saw it I had to have it. It's made for it but large enough to eat the Bauer LOL

The first thing I thought was: "I do believe that the holster probably weighs more than the Bauer does"!
 
Despite Cooper's observation I doubt anyone shot with one wouldn't notice it. It was either a joke or sarcasm.

Here is my 25ACP self defense story. Many years ago there were a few of us that stopped off in the local sporting goods/gunshop to cool down in hot weather with a cold coke from a machine that charged half the price of other places in town and tell war stories with other like mined people. There was a state cop that dropped in now and then and one afternoon he related his 25 ACP shooting story. He was based in a town 22 miles away with no medical facilities. He had hauled the same person into our little hospital three times for being shot in the chest with a 25, all three times by the same person with the same gun. He liked to beat up his girl friend and evidently she would shoot him to put a stop to it.
 
I've found the triggers and grip shapes of most .25's much better than that of the Kel Tec P32.

I shoot the .25's more accurately and quickly. P32 has a very thin grip, long trigger pull, and very short length of pull when the trigger does get all the way back.

As for .32 acp, it's not much better from a short barrel. 50 gr .25 fmj at 750-850 fps vs 71 or 73 gr .32 fmj at 750-850 fps. (My chrono)

With a longer barrel .32 fmj will go deeper and often tumble to cut a little more tissue. For example my Beretta 81 kicks out S&B at 73 gr at 1000 fps.

I almost never carry my .25 by itself.
 
For a long time, as a younger man, I carried a small .25. I had to use it once to stop a big dog who had jumped the fence and was attacking a young man who was riding a bicycle on the street. It held 7 shots total and I had hollow points in it. The dog was still going strong, even after the 7th round entered the chest cavity around the heart/lung area. The dog did not actually stop the attack until I kicked it in the balls. Finally it limped away and died a couple of yards away. I could not safely get a head shot as the dog had a grip on the boys leg and was thrashing him around. The only thing protecting his leg was the fact that he was wearing leather cowboy boots. When I finally inspected the dogs wounds, all but one were actually in the chest cavity heart/lung area. I was no more than 10 feet away. Since then I have carried a small 9mm, that is only slightly bigger than the .25. It hides in any pocket of any pants I wear in the Galco Pocket Holster. Here is mine I have been carrying for years now.
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For a long time, as a younger man, I carried a small .25. I had to use it once to stop a big dog who had jumped the fence and was attacking a young man who was riding a bicycle on the street. It held 7 shots total and I had hollow points in it. The dog was still going strong, even after the 7th round entered the chest cavity around the heart/lung area. The dog did not actually stop the attack until I kicked it in the balls. Finally it limped away and died a couple of yards away. I could not safely get a head shot as the dog had a grip on the boys leg and was thrashing him around. The only thing protecting his leg was the fact that he was wearing leather cowboy boots. When I finally inspected the dogs wounds, all but one were actually in the chest cavity heart/lung area. I was no more than 10 feet away. Since then I have carried a small 9mm, that is only slightly bigger than the .25. It hides in any pocket of any pants I wear in the Galco Pocket Holster. Here is mine I have been carrying for years now.

Yea, dogs are a real concern.

Maybe those hollow points expanded maybe not, but generally I dont think jhp's are the best bullet in the light calibers. About the only thing going for them is they might be less prone to ricochet off the target.

I'm going to assume you know where a dogs heart is. (Similar to a deer, low, under the chest, sort of between the "elbows")

Shouldn't really take much penetration to get the heart but, it's not a big target.
 
Yea, dogs are a real concern.

Maybe those hollow points expanded maybe not, but generally I dont think jhp's are the best bullet in the light calibers. About the only thing going for them is they might be less prone to ricochet off the target.

I'm going to assume you know where a dogs heart is. (Similar to a deer, low, under the chest, sort of between the "elbows")

Shouldn't really take much penetration to get the heart but, it's not a big target.
Yes I do and that why I was concentrating my rounds in that area. I would have loved to have taken a head shot, but that was too close to the kid it was attacking. The owner got mad when he saw that I had killed his dog, that is until he saw the torn up boot and bruises on the boys leg. He threatened to sue me but the responding officer gave me a card for a lawyer that specialized in dog attack defense. I was never contacted by anyone.
 
My LGS has a Colt pocket in really good condition that is nagging at me. (I know better than to ask all you enablers if I ought drop 7/8 of used G17 on a Colt Pocket .25 [:)])
I have a teeny Beretta that I bought mostly because the local Oshman's had it on sale, and I had a coupon, So, it's not like I don't have some ammo laying about . . .
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Ok, somebody help me, my memory of Flemming was that Bond carried a long barreled (like 4") Beretta .25--am I just misremembering that? Movie Bond always had some sort of pocket pistol, but I want to remember Book Bond was different.
 
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