The Most Blatant Lie yet from Moms Demand

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Its a secret, can't tell you.

The story changed with this little scumbag a few times. Granted, some of them were early reports.

First his dad bought it for him.
Then his uncle bought it.
Then he bought it himself.
Then the whole "NICS didn't resolve in the three days, dealer discretion loophole".
Now it's the Internet gun buying loophole.

Make up your mind.

AAAAAANNNNDDDD, I thought NICS deletes the background check info after a certain amount time, so how would any of this be known???
 
[QUOTEWhat the heck is "the online gun sale loophole"?? ][/QUOTE]
It's a bit like the "Gun Show Loophole" without the entry fee and beef jerky. But totally different than the "I got it from Eric Holder Loophole" which is definitely higher class than the "I bought it from some guy at the crack house loophole". All of which are more inflammatory than what it should be called which is the Face-To-Face Private Sale transaction sans loophole.
 
My favorite is the theft loophole.

That's a loophole that needs to be closed.
 
I thought the biggest whopper was their ostensible support for the second amendment? :confused:

TCB
 
"... recent media reports indicate..."

So, it's not law enforcement investigative sources but another "media source"?

We know how deeply they delve into "facts"... as long as they support the predestined direction of the reporting.

As far as the "recent media reports indicate" goes. The link goes here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/18/us-usa-tennessee-shooting-idUSKCN0PS0H120150718 a single report, not "reports" and it cites "armslist.com" as the loophole source.


Later, as her seething continues, she goes on to specifically target Cabella's with petitions. I'll be sure to find my own route to support Cabella's LEGAL S.O.P. for firearms sales.

Todd.
 
I thought the biggest whopper was their ostensible support for the second amendment? :confused:



TCB


I have asked them via their Contact Us page, their Facebook, and their Twitter for a source of a concealed carry class for my wife that focuses on Safety and is not affiliated with or endorsed by the NRA. The silence has been deafening!

They actually rejected my ability to comment on their Facebook when I responded to several "Moms" yesterday who were saying MDA was doing a great job and told them they couldn't wait till guns were banned. I responded that they were not welcome to Moms Demand Action because MDA supports the second and doesn't want a gun ban so they should kindly stop posting. Apparently the MDA Admins didn't think they needed my help.
 
I think they might be referring to the fact that you don't need an FFL if you're selling a rifle and the buyer is in the same state. That's how it works down here, anyway.
 
First of all, was the gunman a prohibited individual? I haven't kept up because I've been so busy elsewhere.

If he wasn't, then this fabled "loophole" of which they speak is meaningless.
 
I posted this comment -

"We're still learning the facts about what happened in Chattanooga, however, recent media reports indicate the gunman took advantage of the online gun sale loophole and purchased at least one of his firearms where he knew he could buy a gun with no background check, no questions asked."



Sadly, people will believe the lie that there's any "loophole" allowing you to avoid a background check by ORDERING from a firearms dealer advertising online. That FFL has to ship the firearm to a firearms dealer in your state who requires you to undergo the standard background check to receive the firearm. I don't know why Ms. Watts had to tell that lie here, but the fact she thought she could and that she had no more respect for the intelligence of readers to tell such a lie that is so easily fact checked would make anyone wonder about any specific information given.



"We're still learning the facts" is ironically true since the fact is that you may order a firearm from an FFL advertising online, but that firearm has to be shipped to an FFL in your state and that FFL will receive it and enter it into their ATF records like any firearm they'd receive from any other FFL, then take your money for the background check they're required to perform and only turn it over to you when you've been approved by background check. Just as if you had purchased that firearm at Walmart.
 
Its a secret, can't tell you.

The story changed with this little scumbag a few times. Granted, some of them were early reports.

First his dad bought it for him.
Then his uncle bought it.
Then he bought it himself.
Then the whole "NICS didn't resolve in the three days, dealer discretion loophole".
Now it's the Internet gun buying loophole.

Make up your mind.

AAAAAANNNNDDDD, I thought NICS deletes the background check info after a certain amount time, so how would any of this be known???

You're confusing Chattanooga with Charleston
 
I think they might be referring to the fact that you don't need an FFL if you're selling a rifle and the buyer is in the same state. That's how it works down here, anyway.

Likely so. The "Online Loophole" goes like this:
  • Go online to Armslist.com (or your favorite online gun broker site)
  • Select the gun you are interested in
  • Contact the seller and arrange to meet
  • Make the purchase without a background check.
Basically an sale between individuals that was arranged via the internet.
 
it's not possible to support the 2nd amendment and support infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
 
"Recent media reports indicate......."
This is a modern variation of "I heard it from my cousin's stepfather's buddy's plumber......."
Just as believable, but falls better on the antigun ear. ;)

I fondly remember back when journalists were required to fact-check and cite verified sources. Those days are gone.
 
even when bought from an on line source, the gun must go thru an NFL for proper transfer, when the dealer calls to NCIS the deal goes thru or denied, that individual never got it shipped straight to him.

this whole fiasco makes so freaking furious. :cuss: and :fire:
 
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even when bought from an on line source, the gun must go thru an NFL for proper transfer, when the dealer calls to NCIS the deal goes thru or denied, that muslime never got it shipped straight to him.

this whole fiasco makes so freaking furious.

Wrong. Read the 3rd post above yours.
 
Whenever a shooting happens, I never pay attention to the news outlets of the talking heads. Especially when it relates to the "firearms facts." There are still news outlets who can't determine what firearm was pulled out of Adam Lanza's vehicle in the Newtown shooting. Was a shotgun? or an AR? I'll wait until some official investigation comes out.
 
DHJenkins said:
Wrong. Read the 3rd post above yours.

But, in that case, the firearm is advertised online, not purchased. Payment and delivery of goods are both done in person. In my opinion, they are purposely mischaracterizing this to lead people to believe that Armslist operates like Amazon where they pay online and get the firearm at their door in a few days.

This is a private sale between two individuals. The company isn't selling the firearm, just helping a buyer and seller find each other.
 
I guess Online Gun Sale Loophole sounds better than, "Newspaper Classified Gun Sale Loophole"?
 
"We're still learning the facts about what happened in Chattanooga, however, recent media reports indicate the gunman took advantage of the online gun sale loophole and purchased at least one of his firearms where he knew he could buy a gun with no background check, no questions asked."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/20/opinions/watts-gun-loopholes-charleston-chattanooga/index.html

This makes me so furious.
Turns out it is actually a legitimate online loophole. You call San Francisco anti-gun Democrat senator Yeland Lee; a true cloak and dagger entrepreneur. Gun-control advocate by day, secretive arms dealer by night. Just call him and he'll have your rocket launcher, hand grenades, fully auto AK47, or any other menu of "ghost guns" delivered in a method so covert I cannot discuss it here...

http://www.polygon.com/2015/7/2/888...pleads-guilty-admits-to-gun-running-extortion
 
leadcounsel said:
Turns out it is actually a legitimate online loophole. You call San Francisco anti-gun Democrat senator Yeland Lee; a true cloak and dagger entrepreneur. Gun-control advocate by day, secretive arms dealer by night. Just call him and he'll have your rocket launcher, hand grenades, fully auto AK47, or any other menu of "ghost guns" delivered in a method so covert I cannot discuss it here...

I think you mean "former" ;)

I don't know about the rest of you but I would love to be able to order an AR15 on Amazon and have it show up at my door by UPS without leaving the house. These antis could be up to something if they didn't pass all these laws making that illegal. And the sudden amnesia that they passed them in the first place.
 
So we all click on a link to a liberal news site which simply implies to said website -- and the writer of the opinion piece -- that we find its news slant and opinions worthy of reading.

Frankly, I despise that group, despise that particular media network, and won't dignify either with my time or attention.
 
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